Tafseer of Sura-e-Fatiha

[Malik495]

Allah k siwa kisi se bhi yeh ummed rakhna k wo Allah k kisi hukum ya Taqdeer k against madad kr sakta hay to yeh shirk hay.. Allah ki Zaat aur siffaat men kisi bhi tarha kisi au rshakhs Nabi ya farishtay ko samjhna shirk kahlata hay.. Jasa k Bhai pakistan 1947 ne bataya k kuch log jab wo madad mangtay ghairullah se to unhain jab kaha jata hay k yeh to shirk hay to wo jawab men yehi kahtay hain k ham in se mangtay nahi balkay yeh log Allah k kareeb hain so iss liye Allah ki qurbat ki waja se ham asa kartay hain.. Yaad rahay yeh bhi shirk ki hi kisam hay.. Pukaar sunnana sirf khuda ki sift hay aur koi zee rooh pukaar nahi sunta aur na hi asi koi sift Allah k siwa kisi aur men hay.. yeh umeed rakh kr kisi ko pukaarna k wo hamari sunta hay to iss se bara shirk kia ho ga..Nabi Wali ya koi bhi muqarrab banday Allah k hukum k paband hain aur hamari tarha insaan hi hain lakin darjaat men kahin ziada baray hain.. Allah ta'ala ko sab se ziada ghussa shirk pr ata hay k koi uss ki buzurgi uss ki siffat men kisi ko uss ka hissaydaar banaye....
kuch log yeh bhi kahtay hain k rohani ataee aur zaati sift men farq hay .. asi koi tojeeh Allah ne bayan nahi farmaee insan kisi mojzay kisi karamat ko dekh kr sahib-e-mojza aur sahib-e-karamat k agay ser jhukana shuru kr de aur uss se umeed rakhay.. Allah ta'ala ne mojzaat aur karamat ko bhi apni marzi k taabay kia tha.. Koi Nabi koi wali apni marzi se koi mojza ya karamat zahir nahi kr sakta tha.. asay chand wakeaat kutb-e-hadees aur doosri books men maujood hain...

 

[babadeena]

To understand the concept of "SHIRK" One should understand the arabic words "Doon" in Quran. When
the arabic words "Doonallah" are written, they are not conditional with any Arabic words like "Illa",
therefore, Pakistai1947 is 100 percent right. Calling anyone except Allah, falls in the category
of Doonallah and this includes, Prophets, Saints, Vali, Kutab, etc. etc. etc. etc.

 

[babadeena]

I SAY:

OH RABULEZAT, LORD OF THE UNIVERSE, Grant me your mercy, long life, happiness and betterment in the
World and in the Hereafter;
or I say:
OH RABULEZAT, LORD OF THE UNIVERSE, baywasillah Ghusalzam, (or anyone else)...Grant me your mercy, long life, happiness and betterment in the
World and in the Hereafter;
or I say:
OH GHUSALZAM, OH BARI IMAM, OH YA RASOOLILLAH, OH YA HUSSAIN ETC. ETC. GRANT ME THIS AND THIS.

last two forms are SHIRK. Doonallah and Mahallah

 

[Mughal1]

Dear brothers, I have explained what SHIRK means in the other thread with all necessary rules involved in defining shirk. I do not wish to start again.

As for IBAADAH=worship, it needs MABOOD=deity as well as AABID=worshiper.

Before an act could be called ibaadah, one needs to have belief and intention in place already. If I do an act like namaaz for example, it is not namaaz till I bleive it is and I intend the action to be namaaz. Likewise no act on its own is worship in absense of its purpose or objectivity.

Even in the quran, if some one is killed by mistake of another person, it is not taken same as intentional murder. Therefore the killed and killer do not end up in hell. On the contrary if one intentionally kills another person then that is murder and the killer can now end up in hell.

Likewise if one does not believe in allah as his god but reads namaaz, it is of no consequence for him. If act of sajda on its own is taken as worship then sajda for aadam cannot be justified. By the very logic the sajda to aadam is explained will explain the rest of things that go with it. If we take aadam as qiblah for angels but sajda for allah the verses do not support this view. Because meaning is very clear that allah orders angels to bow down to aadam not bow down to me facing aadam.

The other point is; 039.003 YUSUFALI: Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take for protectors other than Allah (say): "We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah." Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.

Here again the point is MINDOONIHI=MINDOONILLAH ie idols that will be thrown in hell along with their worshippers.

The polytheists say, we worship them in the hope that they can help us before allah. The question is, why they say so? Because they believe them to be related to allah ie as sons and daughters of allah. No wonder then that they worship them because they think god has a family ie he is not alone and if they can please a member of family of god then s/he can put in a good word for them to allah and there is a good chance they will get what they ask for.

We need to ask ourselves, what has that got to do with us muslims? Because we muslims do not believe allah has any family do we? So if allah is all alone the only god for us then how can we worship anyone other than allah when there is no any other god in our heads?

Please see also sura al kafiroon 109.

So please think about it and see if I am making any sense. Please study the quran in its own context or you may end up creating a lot of contradictions in the quran by way of wrong translations and interpretations. This will not be helpful if we ever have to speak and explain things to nonmuslims. In fact we will be giving them a stick to beat us with.

It is good that we are talking between ourselves for learning otherwise kufar will be laughing at us for not knowing the quran or they will be attacking the quran for being wrong if this is how we presented the quran to them.

We can already see how islam is attacked by many nonmuslims for being violent, child abuser, forced marriages, uncivilised, barbaric etc etc etc. All this because some of us have misrepresented islam to the world by way of wrong translations and interpretations.

So kindly think about wider implications and consequences if we make serious blunders regarding the quran or islam.

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?52162-Ka-inat-Ki-Har-Shay-Ghulam-e-Rasool-(S.a.w)-Hay/page3

regards and all the best.

 

[babadeena]

Mughal1,
as I said in other posts, you please open a separate thread titled "What is Shirk, what is its definition etc",
but you are discussing the same thing in different threads which do not carry such heading.

You are also only emphasizing the word "Ebadaat", that is only one word, the other word is
"duha" (Calling, Invoking) and you have not written any thing, or for you "Ebadaat" and "duha" are
the same thing: Let me explain:
وَيَعْبُدُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ مَا لَا يَضُرُّهُمْ وَلَا يَنْفَعُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ هَٰؤُلَاءِ شُفَعَاؤُنَا عِنْدَ اللَّهِ ۚ قُلْ أَتُنَبِّئُونَ اللَّهَ بِمَا لَا يَعْلَمُ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَلَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{18**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 10:18] And they serve beside Allah what can neither harm them nor profit them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah. Say: Do you (presume to) inform Allah of what He knows not in the heavens and the earth? Glory be to Him, and supremely exalted is He above what they set up (with Him).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 10:18] They worship beside Allah that which neither hurteth them nor profiteth them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah. Say: Would ye inform Allah of (something) that He knoweth not in the heavens or in the earth? Praised be He and High Exalted above all that ye associate (with Him)![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 10:18] They serve, besides Allah, things that hurt them not nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allah." Say: "Do ye indeed inform Allah of something He knows not, in the heavens or on earth?- Glory to Him! and far is He above the partners they ascribe (to Him)!"[/SIZE]
Anyone who is worshiped beside Allah (that anyone can be Prophet, like Jesus son of mary, or Priests, Saints, Peer, Ghous, Kutab, etc. etc. etc.)
falls in this category.
Now Check the word "Duha:
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ ضُرِبَ مَثَلٌ فَاسْتَمِعُوا لَهُ ۚ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَدْعُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ لَنْ يَخْلُقُوا ذُبَابًا وَلَوِ اجْتَمَعُوا لَهُ ۖ وَإِنْ يَسْلُبْهُمُ الذُّبَابُ شَيْئًا لَا يَسْتَنْقِذُوهُ مِنْهُ ۚ ضَعُفَ الطَّالِبُ وَالْمَطْلُوبُ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{73**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 22:73] O people! a parable is set forth, therefore listen to it: surely those whom you call upon besides Allah cannot create fly, though they should all gather for it, and should the fly snatch away anything from them, they could not take it back from i weak are the invoker and the invoked.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 22:73] O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it: Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 22:73] O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition![/SIZE]
So Ya Hussain, Ya Ali, Ya Haq Char Yar, Ya Rasoollillah, Ya Ghous, Ya Bari Imam, Bar do Joli meri Ya Muhammad everything come into it.

If you still not clear please open a separate thread.

 

[Abdul Allah]

A short answer according to Quraan:

أَلَا لِلَّهِ الدِّينُ الْخَالِصُ ۚ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّخَذُوا مِن دُونِهِ أَوْلِيَاءَ مَا نَعْبُدُهُمْ إِلَّا لِيُقَرِّبُونَا إِلَى اللَّهِ زُلْفَىٰ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَهُمْ فِي مَا هُمْ فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي مَنْ هُوَ كَاذِبٌ كَفَّارٌ​

Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take for protectors other than Allah (say): "We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah." Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful. (Quraan, 39:3)

خبردار! خالص فرمانبرداری الله ہی کے لیے ہے جنہوں نے اس کے سوا اور کارساز بنا لیے ہیں ہم ان کی عبادت نہیں کرتے مگر اس لیے کہ وہ ہمیں الله سے قریب کر دیں بے شک الله ان کے درمیان ان باتوں میں فیصلہ کرے گا جن میں وہ اختلاف کرتےتھے بے شک الله اسے ہدایت نہیں کرتا جو جھوٹا ناشکرگزار ہو​

Not accroding to Quran but According to your understanding of Quran
First READ Arabic again

مَا نَعْبُدُهُمْ إِلَّا لِيُقَرِّبُونَا إِلَى اللَّهِ

ہم ان کی عبادت نہیں کرتے مگر اس لیے کہ وہ ہمیں الله سے قریب کر دیں

So you are wrong if you think that "Hum unki Ibadat nahi karty" means that they do not WORSHIP them.
word "Ila"/"Magar is liye" explain their REASON of worshiping.
to further explain style of Qruan
Quran said
We do not send you BUT as Mercy to all mankind
here Quran did not said that Allah did not send Muhammad pbuh. I hope now you get the point.

NOW Read the Ayath AGAIN with one extra Ayath

(3. Surely, the religion is for Allah only. And those who take protectors besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah.'' Verily, Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allah guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever.) (4. Had Allah willed to take a son, He could have chosen whom He willed out of those whom He created. But glory be to Him! He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible.)


I hope the word in RED clearly explain that where you go wrong.

Jazak Allah

 

[Abdul Allah]

Mughal1,
as I said in other posts, you please open a separate thread titled "What is Shirk, what is its definition etc",
but you are discussing the same thing in different threads which do not carry such heading.

You are also only emphasizing the word "Ebadaat", that is only one word, the other word is
"duha" (Calling, Invoking) and you have not written any thing, or for you "Ebadaat" and "duha" are
the same thing: Let me explain:
وَيَعْبُدُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ مَا لَا يَضُرُّهُمْ وَلَا يَنْفَعُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ هَٰؤُلَاءِ شُفَعَاؤُنَا عِنْدَ اللَّهِ ۚ قُلْ أَتُنَبِّئُونَ اللَّهَ بِمَا لَا يَعْلَمُ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَلَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{18**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 10:18] And they serve beside Allah what can neither harm them nor profit them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah. Say: Do you (presume to) inform Allah of what He knows not in the heavens and the earth? Glory be to Him, and supremely exalted is He above what they set up (with Him).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 10:18] They worship beside Allah that which neither hurteth them nor profiteth them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah. Say: Would ye inform Allah of (something) that He knoweth not in the heavens or in the earth? Praised be He and High Exalted above all that ye associate (with Him)![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 10:18] They serve, besides Allah, things that hurt them not nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allah." Say: "Do ye indeed inform Allah of something He knows not, in the heavens or on earth?- Glory to Him! and far is He above the partners they ascribe (to Him)!"[/SIZE]
Anyone who is worshiped beside Allah (that anyone can be Prophet, like Jesus son of mary, or Priests, Saints, Peer, Ghous, Kutab, etc. etc. etc.)
falls in this category.
Now Check the word "Duha:
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ ضُرِبَ مَثَلٌ فَاسْتَمِعُوا لَهُ ۚ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَدْعُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ لَنْ يَخْلُقُوا ذُبَابًا وَلَوِ اجْتَمَعُوا لَهُ ۖ وَإِنْ يَسْلُبْهُمُ الذُّبَابُ شَيْئًا لَا يَسْتَنْقِذُوهُ مِنْهُ ۚ ضَعُفَ الطَّالِبُ وَالْمَطْلُوبُ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{73**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 22:73] O people! a parable is set forth, therefore listen to it: surely those whom you call upon besides Allah cannot create fly, though they should all gather for it, and should the fly snatch away anything from them, they could not take it back from i weak are the invoker and the invoked.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 22:73] O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it: Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 22:73] O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition![/SIZE]
So Ya Hussain, Ya Ali, Ya Haq Char Yar, Ya Rasoollillah, Ya Ghous, Ya Bari Imam, Bar do Joli meri Ya Muhammad everything come into it.

If you still not clear please open a separate thread.

If you have read 22:71 before posting 73 you might have get it right. that For what that parable was set forth.

(71. And they worship besides Allah others for which He has sent down no authority, and of which they have no knowledge; and for the wrongdoers there is no helper.)

SO again it talk about CALLING other while TAKING them as MABOOD.

I do not find any Ayath were MERE CALLING some one is regarded as Shirk. Do you have any?

 

[Mughal1]

Mughal1,
as I said in other posts, you please open a separate thread titled "What is Shirk, what is its definition etc",
but you are discussing the same thing in different threads which do not carry such heading.

You are also only emphasizing the word "Ebadaat", that is only one word, the other word is
"duha" (Calling, Invoking) and you have not written any thing, or for you "Ebadaat" and "duha" are
the same thing: Let me explain:
وَيَعْبُدُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ مَا لَا يَضُرُّهُمْ وَلَا يَنْفَعُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ هَٰؤُلَاءِ شُفَعَاؤُنَا عِنْدَ اللَّهِ ۚ قُلْ أَتُنَبِّئُونَ اللَّهَ بِمَا لَا يَعْلَمُ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَلَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{18**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 10:18] And they serve beside Allah what can neither harm them nor profit them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah. Say: Do you (presume to) inform Allah of what He knows not in the heavens and the earth? Glory be to Him, and supremely exalted is He above what they set up (with Him).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 10:18] They worship beside Allah that which neither hurteth them nor profiteth them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah. Say: Would ye inform Allah of (something) that He knoweth not in the heavens or in the earth? Praised be He and High Exalted above all that ye associate (with Him)![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 10:18] They serve, besides Allah, things that hurt them not nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allah." Say: "Do ye indeed inform Allah of something He knows not, in the heavens or on earth?- Glory to Him! and far is He above the partners they ascribe (to Him)!"[/SIZE]
Anyone who is worshiped beside Allah (that anyone can be Prophet, like Jesus son of mary, or Priests, Saints, Peer, Ghous, Kutab, etc. etc. etc.)
falls in this category.
Now Check the word "Duha:
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ ضُرِبَ مَثَلٌ فَاسْتَمِعُوا لَهُ ۚ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَدْعُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ لَنْ يَخْلُقُوا ذُبَابًا وَلَوِ اجْتَمَعُوا لَهُ ۖ وَإِنْ يَسْلُبْهُمُ الذُّبَابُ شَيْئًا لَا يَسْتَنْقِذُوهُ مِنْهُ ۚ ضَعُفَ الطَّالِبُ وَالْمَطْلُوبُ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{73**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 22:73] O people! a parable is set forth, therefore listen to it: surely those whom you call upon besides Allah cannot create fly, though they should all gather for it, and should the fly snatch away anything from them, they could not take it back from i weak are the invoker and the invoked.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 22:73] O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it: Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 22:73] O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition![/SIZE]
So Ya Hussain, Ya Ali, Ya Haq Char Yar, Ya Rasoollillah, Ya Ghous, Ya Bari Imam, Bar do Joli meri Ya Muhammad everything come into it.

If you still not clear please open a separate thread.

Dear babdeena, thank you for drawing my attention to to word DUA as well.

Word dua when used for god means ibaadah because calling upon deity is not mere calling but worship. This is very different from calling on others who are not object of our worship.

Let me also make another point here. If I could draw your attention towards what christians believe or what hindus believe. They believe in idea of avatars=incarnation ie god taking on human or other forms and living amongst people as one of the creatures for example. This again should help explain that the quran is talking about other things as gods of polythiests as they assume them to be. THis is not what muslims believe about prophets or aoliyaa allah etc. Muslims believe prophets as prophets and aoliya allah as such so there is a huge difference between the two beliefs and people ie muslims and mushrikoon. Muslimoon do not believe in shurukaa of allah but mushrikoon do.

I also raised a point that MINDOONILLAH are idols that polytheist worship which allah will throw in hell along polytheists. On the other hand allah promises muslimoon will be put in jannah along with prophets and siddeeqeen and shohadaa.

Let me try and make another point as well. Let say a muslim calls on an idol in a mandir asking the idol to speak to him. Does the person become a mushrik? If yes, why? If not why not?

Saying yaa hussain, yaa ali etc is not wrong in itself but only if the purpose is wrong. We go to visit graves and we are told to pray for people in the graves and the words are , aslamu alaikum yaa ahlal qaboor.

People like wise can visit graves of prophets and saints or ordinary muslims and use the very similar words. People in their graves are said to be alive eg prophets and shohadaa etc etc. Like we visit living people so we can visit the dead and they could be aware of our presence.

In fact such ahadith are common between shias and sunnies. So less chance of people making them up themselves.

May I ask your views on ahadith? I am of the view that ahadith are secondary source of islam and are acceptable in clarifying quranic matters further so long as they are found to be authentic according to certain set out criterion.

However I rather not bring in ahadith till I know your position on ahadith. May I also request that you explain the context of the verses you quote. Because you seem to be applying the verses that are for idols on prophets and saints etc. The reason I am saying this is because mindoonillah are feul for hell fire whereas prophets etc are not. So it seems a serious mistake on your part.

regards and all the best.