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AL-ZEHRAWI TREATING A PATIENT WHILE STUDENT LOOK ON
Unicorn
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Not so fast. Surgery was performed by Indians long before like more than thousand year BC.
http://www.historyofsurgery.co.uk/Web%20Pages/0055.htm
Most of the early Indian culture stems from the area around the Indus river. Archealogical evidence shows that around about 3000 years B.C India had a thriving advanced community that grew rapidly, and then about 1500 years B.C the population shrunk and the advancement was halted.
This it is presumed was a result of a natural catastrphe such as flood drought earthquake or such. It seems however that the Indian medical system and training had been influenced by the other powers of the day, namely Egypt, Babylonia and Greece. The one thing it had in common was the reliance on the medicine man or witch doctors for their guidance.
India however has a rich history, and also has produced one of the best physicians the world has known. The initial thought given to Indian medicine is that of religious witch doctors or local superstitious beliefs handed down over the ages, and this might be true as an enormous country with such a large poor population will not have the resources' to expand its medical knowledge other than that based upon wife's tales.
The Bower Manuscript
This manuscript was purchased by Hamilton Bower in Kucha from Haji Ghulam Qadir. Bower forwarded the manuscript, made up of 51 birch-bark leaves, to the Asiatic Society of Bengal, where it eventually made its way into the hands of Dr. Augustus Hoernle. Though at first considered "unintelligible", it was eventually deciphered by Hoernle.72
This is one of the oldest surviving Indian works and contains remedies using divination and mentions the healing powers of garlic and other herbs.
Sushruta
Sushruta was an Indian physician who is believed to have lived around the 1st century AD
(Although there is some confusion over the exact date as some say as much as 3000 years ago)
He wrote Sushruta-Samhita or “The Collection of Sushruta” Sushruta is an Indian surgical repair textbook, This enormous book has 184 chapters, an incredible 1,120 conditions are listed including 51 eye conditions that can be treated surgically are listed. The book also describes 101 blunt and 20 sharp surgical instruments, many of which are surprisingly similar to instruments used today although he does recognize that the hand is the most important.
If Sushruta was proved to be in existence 3ooo years ago, it would certainly be one of the oldest concise surgical textbooks with only the Egyptian Papyri to rival it.
http://www.historyofsurgery.co.uk/Web%20Pages/0055.htm
Most of the early Indian culture stems from the area around the Indus river. Archealogical evidence shows that around about 3000 years B.C India had a thriving advanced community that grew rapidly, and then about 1500 years B.C the population shrunk and the advancement was halted.
This it is presumed was a result of a natural catastrphe such as flood drought earthquake or such. It seems however that the Indian medical system and training had been influenced by the other powers of the day, namely Egypt, Babylonia and Greece. The one thing it had in common was the reliance on the medicine man or witch doctors for their guidance.
India however has a rich history, and also has produced one of the best physicians the world has known. The initial thought given to Indian medicine is that of religious witch doctors or local superstitious beliefs handed down over the ages, and this might be true as an enormous country with such a large poor population will not have the resources' to expand its medical knowledge other than that based upon wife's tales.
The Bower Manuscript
This manuscript was purchased by Hamilton Bower in Kucha from Haji Ghulam Qadir. Bower forwarded the manuscript, made up of 51 birch-bark leaves, to the Asiatic Society of Bengal, where it eventually made its way into the hands of Dr. Augustus Hoernle. Though at first considered "unintelligible", it was eventually deciphered by Hoernle.72
This is one of the oldest surviving Indian works and contains remedies using divination and mentions the healing powers of garlic and other herbs.
Sushruta
Sushruta was an Indian physician who is believed to have lived around the 1st century AD
(Although there is some confusion over the exact date as some say as much as 3000 years ago)
He wrote Sushruta-Samhita or “The Collection of Sushruta” Sushruta is an Indian surgical repair textbook, This enormous book has 184 chapters, an incredible 1,120 conditions are listed including 51 eye conditions that can be treated surgically are listed. The book also describes 101 blunt and 20 sharp surgical instruments, many of which are surprisingly similar to instruments used today although he does recognize that the hand is the most important.
If Sushruta was proved to be in existence 3ooo years ago, it would certainly be one of the oldest concise surgical textbooks with only the Egyptian Papyri to rival it.
Unicorn
Banned
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You're just sad because your grandfather was not a Nawab, he was gangu teli [hilar]
Because of this complex, you want to feel better than someone (but you're not better than anyone) so you keep making fun of those whose grandfathers were nawab and keep calling others who are liberal as 'Qadiyani'.
On another hand, you speak for minority rights.
You're just a jaahil person wasting time - instead of trying to become smarter or better, you want others to come down to your jaahil level and become stupid just like you.
If they shared something on Mirza Ghulam or Bahaiullah/Babullah, you would be sexually aroused.
What a waste of human life
The laughter is coming from someone whose grandfather, Shivaji, deceptively stabbed a Nawab (Afzal Khan) of one of the very few Shiite dynasties in the Subcontinent, Adilshahi.
Secondly, someone who worships such a person and calls himself his "child" need not laugh at anyone except himself.
Unicorn
Banned
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Not so fast. Surgery was performed by Indians long before like more than thousand year BC.
http://www.historyofsurgery.co.uk/Web%20Pages/0055.htm
Most of the early Indian culture stems from the area around the Indus river. Archealogical evidence shows that around about 3000 years B.C India had a thriving advanced community that grew rapidly, and then about 1500 years B.C the population shrunk and the advancement was halted.
This it is presumed was a result of a natural catastrphe such as flood drought earthquake or such. It seems however that the Indian medical system and training had been influenced by the other powers of the day, namely Egypt, Babylonia and Greece. The one thing it had in common was the reliance on the medicine man or witch doctors for their guidance.
India however has a rich history, and also has produced one of the best physicians the world has known. The initial thought given to Indian medicine is that of religious witch doctors or local superstitious beliefs handed down over the ages, and this might be true as an enormous country with such a large poor population will not have the resources' to expand its medical knowledge other than that based upon wife's tales.
The Bower Manuscript
This manuscript was purchased by Hamilton Bower in Kucha from Haji Ghulam Qadir. Bower forwarded the manuscript, made up of 51 birch-bark leaves, to the Asiatic Society of Bengal, where it eventually made its way into the hands of Dr. Augustus Hoernle. Though at first considered "unintelligible", it was eventually deciphered by Hoernle.72
This is one of the oldest surviving Indian works and contains remedies using divination and mentions the healing powers of garlic and other herbs.
Sushruta
Sushruta was an Indian physician who is believed to have lived around the 1st century AD
(Although there is some confusion over the exact date as some say as much as 3000 years ago)
He wrote Sushruta-Samhita or “The Collection of Sushruta” Sushruta is an Indian surgical repair textbook, This enormous book has 184 chapters, an incredible 1,120 conditions are listed including 51 eye conditions that can be treated surgically are listed. The book also describes 101 blunt and 20 sharp surgical instruments, many of which are surprisingly similar to instruments used today although he does recognize that the hand is the most important.
If Sushruta was proved to be in existence 3ooo years ago, it would certainly be one of the oldest concise surgical textbooks with only the Egyptian Papyri to rival it.
Glad to see you getting off your lazy behind and finding time from eating fish to find this article - I still feel you got a Bihari to do it as you folks can't do much without their help or that of the Brahmins.
Ironically, you are also among the people who believe, Shaivites believe in Raman (Ram in Tamil), Jesus, who was a Jewish prophet, was actually an avatar of Krishna and that Islam actually came from Vaishnavism because of Paganized Arabia.
All secular scholars and historians are unanimous in agreeing that the Jewish-Muslim contribution in Spain led to the European renaissance and set the foundation of their own Golden age and that of the Europeans (after the Inquisition).
You wouldn't know any of this because you are living in the delusional world of Gautama Gatha that indoctrinated you to become a cultist that believes India is where the centre of the Universe is.
The only problem: this holds true only in your imaginations
The sooner you come to experience reality, the sooner you will stop being the laughing stock of this world.
Lastly, if you're going to say that we're Indians and shouldn't look at Muslim history, then, don't say that we are foreign or Mongol because its contradictory.
Which one is it, Mr. Bigot? are we "foreign", or are we "Indian"?
Make up your minds, you morons.
Are we forcibly converted or did we do it voluntarily to escape caste-based discrimination?
Which one is it?
Were we forced to convert or did we convert ourselves because we were somehow low caste (like you are, lower than Brahmin).
Unicorn
Banned
Nope, I am Indian first than a Punjabi.
Its nice that you have given credit to Jews(clap)(clap). But age of enlightenment has brought not by Jews or Muslims but by free thinker.
I am a student of History and study all history including Muslim. I don't believe in religion not I believe there is such a thing as God described in any of scriptures that I have read.
Its nice that you have given credit to Jews(clap)(clap). But age of enlightenment has brought not by Jews or Muslims but by free thinker.
I am a student of History and study all history including Muslim. I don't believe in religion not I believe there is such a thing as God described in any of scriptures that I have read.
Babu ji,
Read my comments above. You won't need to have a debate or a conversation because "Babu ji" is very telling in your location across the border.
Why be so deceptive and then claim to be brave at the same time?
If you are honest and the right path, then why hide and lie about yourselves?
We have two Indians on this site like RustamShah who uses Hindi without realizing that he is playing to be a Pakistani. He said "Dharam" while referring to "Mazhab" and when he tries to speak Urdu, he uses old words that aren't used colloquially.
Similarly, there's a lurker who didn't even know who Mr. Nisar was and is always seen defending eccentric jokers like Marvi Sirmed that no one in Pakistan knows about or cares to defend given her irrelevance. Yet, he was and even worse was his stubborn persistence to reinstate the Indus Valley civilization that we don't know a thing about except a couple broken statues wearing ajrak (which is still worn today).
Lastly, there's a Vaishnavite, deltaforce, claiming to be an Indian Muslim who defends India but is offended at the mere mention of building projects and bridges in Sethusamudram. Secondly, he speaks Urdu in the worst possible way, using the letter, J, for, Z, because it doesn't exist in Hindi and was adopted from the Muslims. Furthermore, he is so insecure and threatened at the mere thought of the relations of he Muslims of India and Pakistan that he had to do this to begin with. Imagine what would happen when his sister runs off with a Muslim boy? They'll call it forced conversions.
Even when his sister says she did it at her own will, he won't believe it because his mind is so obsessed with Hindutva extremism that the mere thought of someone converting out of Vaishnavism would mean that they only did out of being forced [hilar]
That's what they say about our forefathers but also say that we did to escape caste-discrimination. [hilar]
Which one is it? Forced or to escape caste-based discrimination imposed on us by "god" - can we have a 13th amendment please? (serious)
PS. Don't be so unlike Asoka. Don't be deceptive like Shivaji. If you're Indian and say you feel proud in being Vaishnavites (who believe in Ram unlike Shaivites), don't hide it here, then. Share it with the world.
Be like Prince Charles and try to learn Qur'anic Arabic so you can understand the Book in its original language.
Even if you're not religious, but are spiritual, alone, you'll like the language, if not the message, alone. The same goes for the Bible in English, although the original ones are in two different versions of Greek that are now "dead".
Till then, you're just rambling about hating a culture and religion that you secretly love and are too egotistical and "proud" to admit it.
Hum woh nahi jo kerain khoon ka daawah tumsay,
Balkay poochay ga khuda bhi to hum mukar jaingay
PS. You're now Punjabi, aahe?
PPS. Does that mean I won't be racist to the chamaars or Chooras (the actual caste from the Punjabis that you belong to)? [hilar]
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Unicorn
Banned
No thank you I don't think learning Arabic will change the meaning in English and I have read Bible.
Who said I hate culture? I did not. I don't even hate religions just don't believe in them.
I am barely above Choora in that sequence but you can call me Choora or anything else you like. Sticks and stones may break my bones but................(bigsmile)(bigsmile)(bigsmile)
First off, thanks for sharing with us the darkness inside your mind - you are "above" them - long live caste-based discrimination.
BTW, Vaishnavite Hindus have explained to me that when they say they are "Atheists", they are saying that they don't believe in a "Supreme Being" like the God of the Abrahamic faiths, but are open to accepting Ram, Shivaji and others things as gods.
Therefore, your reluctance to ever address Shivaji's godship for deceptively stabbing Afzal Khan only goes to show that you aren't an Atheist but only saying that to refer to your disbelief in a Supreme Being, not in humans or things that are important to you and your history.
Also, you have just stated that your stature is higher than religious scholars who maintain their faiths but learn and study the Qur'an in its language because they appreciate that the meanings are lost in translation.
I must add that I am not surprised, given your small-minded, delusional belief that India was the centre of the universe and the cradle of civilization, it is clear that you're open to conclude that the translation of the Qur'an in English, is the same as its original Arabic.
Isn't the Prince Charles of England a moron?
He should ask you for advice instead of going the most difficult route of being advised by actually, educated scholars.
Lastly, you can never be seen insulting or criticizing Indian Vaishnavist bigotry because instead of doing so (and thereby criticizing yourself), you go the "Pakistanis do it, too" route.
How long will that work?:biggthumpup:
Unicorn
Banned
On This forum I only respond to bigotry by you guys
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The surgery being alluded to here is not the same as the one you mentioned where the person woke up with so much scar tissue that he died, anyway. [hilar]
The rest of the points are your personal matters that do not and should not concern anyone on this forum and even you for that matter. :lol:
Unicorn
Banned
You asked and I responded. Do not ask questions that do not concern me and I will not volunteer any answers;)
