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az.ay

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Floods - Army and Politicians

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FaisalKh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Floods - Army and Politicians

I truly wish all the army critics read this thread and watch these pictures and open their eyes specially mr. adnan_swati, who when someone yawns, starts blaming and criticizing army for that.
 
Re: Floods - Army and Politicians

میرے معصوم بھائی۔ آرمی کس بات کی تنخواہ لیتی ھے۔ وہ کوئی احسان نہی کر رھی ۔ یہ اس کی ڈیوٹی میں شامل ھے۔ عوام کے پیسہ ھی ان کی تنخواہ ھے۔ خدا را عقل استعمال کر لیا کریں۔ اس آرمی نے جتنا نقصان پاکستان کو پہنچایا ھے کسی اور نہی پہنچایا ھو گا۔ یہی پاکستان پر قبضہ کرنے میں دیر نہی کرتے۔ فورا ھی پاکستان فتح کر لئتے ھیں اور پھر پاکستان پر دس سال عیش کرتے ھیں۔ اچھی طرح نچوڑ کر سیاستدانوں کے حوالے کردیتے ھیں۔
یہی آرمی ھے جس نے طالبان بنائے۔ اب انہی سے لڑمر رھی ھے۔
بلوچستان میں حالات خراب کرنے بھی اسی آرمی کا ھاتھہ ھے۔ ایم کیوایم بنانے والی بھی یہی آرمی تھی اور پھر ان کے خلاف آپریشن کرنے والی بھی۔ آرمی کی ساکھہ ٹھیک ھونے میں ابھی بہت وقت لگے گا۔ اور جب تک ٹھیک ھو ایک اور مارشل لا آ جائے۔
 

FaisalKh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
hahahaha

Suchi baat negative, buhut khoub.

Positive sirf wohi hota hai jis main apna mafad ho, baqi doosrey ki baat negative, yeh to haal hai PTI supporters ka, yeh insaf kaisey karein gey. sochney ki baat hai.

Waisey aaj kul PTI sey ziyada koi aur army key huq main nahi bol sakta.

Just convey my request to ur H.E to raise voice against drone strikes and stop getting aid from US and bring all the looted money back to the country. It was ex president mush who allowed these drone strikes and now this puppet president who even said he feels happy when these innocent people die. Plz convey my request to ur H.E to order to stop all the drone strikes. If army does not do after that, I will join ur leader and will support him at every forum. Can u do that?
 

xiaahmad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
when they dont support the people of Pakistan against the foreign aggression then why we should support them?
 

itsnotme90

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Floods - Army and Politicians

Army nay apni pocket say paisay nahi lagaye. This is the job of Army to help citizens in any natural disaster. It happens all over the world. What you think prime minister will go himself to help everyone out. Politicians are there to manage country & organize institutes. Its a different story that these politicians are corrupt.
 

FaisalKh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The Best Way to achive peace is to be ready for war --- Joke of the century

This is not the joke of the century. It is a bitter and eye opening truth. Look what happened to Mughuls and all the other rulers of sub continent, when they become lazy and forgot how to use sword and how to fight, and lost Sub continent to the people who were far more less in numbers. And also when we had a lustful general yahya khan who was busy in drinking alcohol, forgot to use weapons, did not get ready for war and look what happened... India got chance, infiltrated in East Pakistan and it became Bangladesh. There are many more eye opening stories...
 

FaisalKh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
when they dont support the people of Pakistan against the foreign aggression then why we should support them?

They support people of Pakistan, Army is under the consent of Govt and when govt start caring for its people then army will play its role. Drone strikes and other operations are carried out with the permission of govt not the army. Hussain Haqqani issues thousands of visas without approval so u have to blame the govt not ISI or Army. Our situation is like Majbooor hain uff Allah kuch keh bhi nahi saktay....
 

xiaahmad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
They support people of Pakistan, Army is under the consent of Govt and when govt start caring for its people then army will play its role. Drone strikes and other operations are carried out with the permission of govt not the army. Hussain Haqqani issues thousands of visas without approval so u have to blame the govt not ISI or Army. Our situation is like Majbooor hain uff Allah kuch keh bhi nahi saktay....

When mushy was in power he was the army as well what happened then?
that Drone attacks he use to take blame on Pakistan army for the attack on school :)

every one knows that Army is running the foreign policy so this excuse that gov is doing that weak argument
 

sarbakaf

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: Floods - Army and Politicians

میرے معصوم بھائی۔ آرمی کس بات کی تنخواہ لیتی ھے۔ وہ کوئی احسان نہی کر رھی ۔ یہ اس کی ڈیوٹی میں شامل ھے۔ عوام کے پیسہ ھی ان کی تنخواہ ھے۔ خدا را عقل استعمال کر لیا کریں۔ اس آرمی نے جتنا نقصان پاکستان کو پہنچایا ھے کسی اور نہی پہنچایا ھو گا۔ یہی پاکستان پر قبضہ کرنے میں دیر نہی کرتے۔ فورا“ ھی پاکستان فتح کر لئتے ھیں اور پھر پاکستان پر دس سال عیش کرتے ھیں۔ اچھی طرح نچوڑ کر سیاستدانوں کے حوالے کردیتے ھیں۔
یہی آرمی ھے جس نے طالبان بنائے۔ اب انہی سے لڑمر رھی ھے۔
بلوچستان میں حالات خراب کرنے بھی اسی آرمی کا ھاتھہ ھے۔ ایم کیوایم بنانے والی بھی یہی آرمی تھی اور پھر ان کے خلاف آپریشن کرنے والی بھی۔ آرمی کی ساکھہ ٹھیک ھونے میں ابھی بہت وقت لگے گا۔ اور جب تک ٹھیک ھو ایک اور مارشل لا آ جائے۔

bhai politicians and beurocracy bhee tou tankhaw laitee hai jab unhain apna faraz aada na karnay per bura bhala kehtay hoo tou army ko faraz aada karnay per tareef kayoon nahi.
Secondly tankhawa lay kar koi aapnee jaan jookhoon main nahi dalta ....jazba bee koi cheez hai...
Agar politicians corrupt na hotay to army ko kayoon bulatay baar baar...like they are calling army again now ...
Army created taliban to secure pakistani borders in afghanistan ...but it was political mistakes which turned them against us.....
If army was responsible for baluchistan than what were politicians doing ?????

Columbus....zaati aanad hai tou khair warna logics and history say baat hameesha politicians kay against jati hai...

it was politician who always invited army ....starting from ayub khan to ...bhutto ..then benazir and sharif...
even all your top politicians including sharif, bhutto , etc were created by army ...

tou bhai soocho.....shamjoo...bhir bolo
 

alpha

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Floods - Army and Politicians

What do you mean they are paid of it, but this job they are doing in aid to civilian govt. But you need to acknowledge the fact that they not only do their own job but do the job of other as well in the same salary, but your Police, Politicians also take the salary and wht they are doing, what to talk of anything else they woudl not do the primary even.

and let em tell you that its not that easy to fight at the highest battlefeild in the world on the salary alone, it is the motivation and love for teh nation that has made them do all that




میرے معصوم بھائی۔ آرمی کس بات کی تنخواہ لیتی ھے۔ وہ کوئی احسان نہی کر رھی ۔ یہ اس کی ڈیوٹی میں شامل ھے۔ عوام کے پیسہ ھی ان کی تنخواہ ھے۔ خدا را عقل استعمال کر لیا کریں۔ اس آرمی نے جتنا نقصان پاکستان کو پہنچایا ھے کسی اور نہی پہنچایا ھو گا۔ یہی پاکستان پر قبضہ کرنے میں دیر نہی کرتے۔ فورا“ ھی پاکستان فتح کر لئتے ھیں اور پھر پاکستان پر دس سال عیش کرتے ھیں۔ اچھی طرح نچوڑ کر سیاستدانوں کے حوالے کردیتے ھیں۔
یہی آرمی ھے جس نے طالبان بنائے۔ اب انہی سے لڑمر رھی ھے۔
بلوچستان میں حالات خراب کرنے بھی اسی آرمی کا ھاتھہ ھے۔ ایم کیوایم بنانے والی بھی یہی آرمی تھی اور پھر ان کے خلاف آپریشن کرنے والی بھی۔ آرمی کی ساکھہ ٹھیک ھونے میں ابھی بہت وقت لگے گا۔ اور جب تک ٹھیک ھو ایک اور مارشل لا آ جائے۔
 

ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
Prediction:
ALLAMA IQBAL said this 100 years ago in 1907,


5.GIF

Exactly after 100 Years The Lion has got up in 2007 with his full power
ARMY+ISI+JUDICIARY = THE LION OF IQBAL

Iqbal's prediction is becoming true.

Now Just wait for this Lion to topple the Indian Empire & its Allies. Insha' Allah
 
Prediction:
ALLAMA IQBAL said this 100 years ago in 1907,


5.GIF

Exactly after 100 Years The Lion has got up in 2007 with his full power
ARMY+ISI+JUDICIARY = THE LION OF IQBAL

Iqbal's prediction is becoming true.

Now Just wait for this Lion to topple the Indian Empire & its Allies. Insha' Allah

we need to topple there allies in our home first inshaallah make them frustrated and don't let them hide follow them till no bloody indian agent left in our land
 

Night_Hawk

Siasat.pk - Blogger
http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/25/forgotten-victims-of-pakistans-taliban-war.html

Forgotten victims of Pakistan’s Taliban war

AFP Yesterday



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In this picture dated on February 18, 2011, disabled military veterans at Pakistan's Armed Forces Institute of Rehabilitation Medicine (AFIRM) perform exercises in Rawalpindi. - Photo by AFP

RAWALPINDI: Shadi Khan was once a proud soldier fighting the Taliban, but today he quivers in pain, socks bagged around metal pins after a bomb blew off his legs on Pakistan’s deadliest battlefield.
His unit had arrested 10 Taliban operatives and killed another eight, and was heading back to base camp in South Waziristan when the bomb exploded. That was August 2010. He is still in hospital.
“It was as if I had been shot. It was a huge pain. Both my legs were blown up and I was injured in the stomach. I was conscious for the whole thing, but after around three hours I passed out,” he says.
One soldier was killed and Khan was the most seriously wounded out of four who were evacuated to a field hospital. He’s since had multiple operations and both his legs have been amputated above the knee.
“Now I’ll go home and just connect to my God. I’ll remember him. I’m still young, but I can’t walk at my home, where the land is rough. What else can I do? Perhaps I can teach students, if I can get a job in any school.” Under US pressure to root out Taliban and al Qaeda-linked networks in its northwest and districts on the Afghan border, more than 2,795 Pakistani soldiers have been killed in fighting since 2004. Another 8,671 have been wounded.
Those official statistics overshadow the more than 2,403 foreign, mostly American, soldiers who have been killed in 10 years in Afghanistan.
Pakistan’s war has also ignited revenge bombings that have killed another 4,200 people since July 2007, destablising the nuclear-armed country and forcing the establishment to fight hard against homegrown Taliban.
Khan is a patient at Pakistan’s Armed Forces Institute of Rehabilitation Medicine (AFIRM) in Rawalpindi, the country’s only hospital of its kind that helps maimed and disabled soldiers rebuild their shattered lives.
Their best efforts barely make the pain better for Khan. His family is in the southern province of Sindh, hundreds of miles away, and he has received only one visit – from his father – since he was injured.
“I got some irritation,” he said, shaking. His new legs were fitted only four days ago. An earlier pair didn’t fit and had to be changed.
Staff say they are desperately short-staffed and under-equipped. With only 100 beds and 147,000 troops committed in battle across the northwest, the work load has grown tremendously.
Major General Akhtar Waheed, head of the hospital, said 750 patients are treated each day. He lists his main staff as five specialists, 13 general nurses, three psychologists, two speech therapists and 10 physiotherapists.
While the military has agreed to help build a new block to raise the number of beds to more than 150, it is only in the planning stage.
Major Zahid Rustam has been staggered by how much things have changed in the six years he spent training in Australia, Britain and the United States.
“Oh my God, the work load has tremendously increased. When I went, you know, we used to find some patients who had a fall or something like that, but now we have a lot of amputees. We have a lot of spinal cord injured patients.
“We have a lot of work, a lot of work.” Compared to hospitals in Pakistan, AFIRM has impressive facilities, is hygienic and seemingly well run. But compared to hospitals where Rustam and other medical officers have trained, its staff are over-stretched.
“We need people who are specialised,” Rustam told AFP.
“We have like only three occupational therapists in the whole hospital and where I’ve been working, one ward would have like 10-15 occupational therapists, so how are we going to do?” Lieutenant Colonel Khalil Ahmad says staff work to rehabilitate soldiers to their fullest possible capabilities, but the brutal reality for the most seriously wounded is early retirement and even life in a wheelchair.
It can take six months to a year for an amputated soldier to be fitted with a prosthetic limb. Officers who can stay in uniform are priorities.
Sayed Altaf Hussain is one of the lucky ones. He lost his foot in battle on November 26, 2009 but has been allowed to return to duty in North Waziristan, even if in his own words he does “nothing much”.
He is 34-years-old and has served in the army for 14 years.
“I can’t quit right now. I’ve got four years left. I want to complete, so I can get my pension otherwise I’ll lose out financially.” Despite risking his life for his country, Hussain receives a salary of just 14,670 rupees ($174) a month to support a family of 14.
“There’s been a lot of inflation in Pakistan and it’s very hard to manage.
“I joined the Frontier Corps to defend the country number one and number two because there is poverty and we need to do something to earn money.” Some of the more seriously wounded are taught data entry or skills that officers say can turn them into assistants for mobile repair men, electricians, mechanics or tailors.
But when AFP asked to visit a wounded soldier who had been discharged, at home, to see how he was coping, the military refused refused permission.
Major General Waheed concedes that the consequences of horrific injuries have a “massive impact”. “It affects the whole family, even in the troops because so many soldiers from this unit, or this platoon, have been affected and so that’s naturally quite disturbing. “Once you rehabilitate them, train them in a specific job, give them something to do, I think the impact becomes much less, quite less,” he said. For some parents, brought up on the doctrine that India was public enemy number one, the war against the Taliban is not one that Pakistan should be fighting in the first place.
Colonel Abbas watches as his once talented commando son, Captain Qasim, is helped into a wheelchair after a physio session. Thanks to therapy at the hospital, he can now walk a little after a brain injury that left him on a ventilator for two months.
“This army is not meant for this. There are no goals, there are no aims. We’re fighting against Muslims. Muslims are killing other Muslims.” – AFP
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
I read almost all the replies. Some are like going crazy for army and they are thinking like army is the holy cow. The others while are questioning what they are doing ort r what they have done.
Questioning is not bad. There should be reason if you reply not start abbusive language or counter attacks. Like of if army did this so the politicians also did that.
We are talking here about the army so lets keep it to the army. If you army supporters want to start another thread for politicians than go ahead.
Army in my eyes should even take 80% of the budget we dont care and every one will be happy. But how will this happen.
1- The army needs to tell us they respect the constitution and they will protect it with all the means. Court marshal all the generals wether alive or dead who went beyond there duties and took over pakistan.
2- No more dirty tricks with in the country of creating groups for there own good. ( all those groups have killed thousands of pakistanis)
3- No more interference in civil issues. Only do the duty you are paid for ( they have never ever been able to perform well so far)
4- Appologize for the behaviour they always have for the whole of pakistan.
5- Open up your accounts and let the representatives of people know where you spend your money. ( like in every country the same happens)
When they do these five things i will be more than favouring our army. but till than they should take the heat. One day all of what i have written will happen.its better if they do it themself or Article 6 will be invoked and these blood suckers will go to hell.
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/25/forgotten-victims-of-pakistans-taliban-war.html

Forgotten victims of Pakistans Taliban war

AFP Yesterday

rehabilitation-centre-543.jpg
In this picture dated on February 18, 2011, disabled military veterans at Pakistan's Armed Forces Institute of Rehabilitation Medicine (AFIRM) perform exercises in Rawalpindi. - Photo by AFP

RAWALPINDI: Shadi Khan was once a proud soldier fighting the Taliban, but today he quivers in pain, socks bagged around metal pins after a bomb blew off his legs on Pakistans deadliest battlefield.
His unit had arrested 10 Taliban operatives and killed another eight, and was heading back to base camp in South Waziristan when the bomb exploded. That was August 2010. He is still in hospital.
It was as if I had been shot. It was a huge pain. Both my legs were blown up and I was injured in the stomach. I was conscious for the whole thing, but after around three hours I passed out, he says.
One soldier was killed and Khan was the most seriously wounded out of four who were evacuated to a field hospital. Hes since had multiple operations and both his legs have been amputated above the knee.
Now Ill go home and just connect to my God. Ill remember him. Im still young, but I cant walk at my home, where the land is rough. What else can I do? Perhaps I can teach students, if I can get a job in any school. Under US pressure to root out Taliban and al Qaeda-linked networks in its northwest and districts on the Afghan border, more than 2,795 Pakistani soldiers have been killed in fighting since 2004. Another 8,671 have been wounded.
Those official statistics overshadow the more than 2,403 foreign, mostly American, soldiers who have been killed in 10 years in Afghanistan.
Pakistans war has also ignited revenge bombings that have killed another 4,200 people since July 2007, destablising the nuclear-armed country and forcing the establishment to fight hard against homegrown Taliban.
Khan is a patient at Pakistans Armed Forces Institute of Rehabilitation Medicine (AFIRM) in Rawalpindi, the countrys only hospital of its kind that helps maimed and disabled soldiers rebuild their shattered lives.
Their best efforts barely make the pain better for Khan. His family is in the southern province of Sindh, hundreds of miles away, and he has received only one visit from his father since he was injured.
I got some irritation, he said, shaking. His new legs were fitted only four days ago. An earlier pair didnt fit and had to be changed.
Staff say they are desperately short-staffed and under-equipped. With only 100 beds and 147,000 troops committed in battle across the northwest, the work load has grown tremendously.
Major General Akhtar Waheed, head of the hospital, said 750 patients are treated each day. He lists his main staff as five specialists, 13 general nurses, three psychologists, two speech therapists and 10 physiotherapists.
While the military has agreed to help build a new block to raise the number of beds to more than 150, it is only in the planning stage.
Major Zahid Rustam has been staggered by how much things have changed in the six years he spent training in Australia, Britain and the United States.
Oh my God, the work load has tremendously increased. When I went, you know, we used to find some patients who had a fall or something like that, but now we have a lot of amputees. We have a lot of spinal cord injured patients.
We have a lot of work, a lot of work. Compared to hospitals in Pakistan, AFIRM has impressive facilities, is hygienic and seemingly well run. But compared to hospitals where Rustam and other medical officers have trained, its staff are over-stretched.
We need people who are specialised, Rustam told AFP.
We have like only three occupational therapists in the whole hospital and where Ive been working, one ward would have like 10-15 occupational therapists, so how are we going to do? Lieutenant Colonel Khalil Ahmad says staff work to rehabilitate soldiers to their fullest possible capabilities, but the brutal reality for the most seriously wounded is early retirement and even life in a wheelchair.
It can take six months to a year for an amputated soldier to be fitted with a prosthetic limb. Officers who can stay in uniform are priorities.
Sayed Altaf Hussain is one of the lucky ones. He lost his foot in battle on November 26, 2009 but has been allowed to return to duty in North Waziristan, even if in his own words he does nothing much.
He is 34-years-old and has served in the army for 14 years.
I cant quit right now. Ive got four years left. I want to complete, so I can get my pension otherwise Ill lose out financially. Despite risking his life for his country, Hussain receives a salary of just 14,670 rupees ($174) a month to support a family of 14.
Theres been a lot of inflation in Pakistan and its very hard to manage.
I joined the Frontier Corps to defend the country number one and number two because there is poverty and we need to do something to earn money. Some of the more seriously wounded are taught data entry or skills that officers say can turn them into assistants for mobile repair men, electricians, mechanics or tailors.
But when AFP asked to visit a wounded soldier who had been discharged, at home, to see how he was coping, the military refused refused permission.
Major General Waheed concedes that the consequences of horrific injuries have a massive impact. It affects the whole family, even in the troops because so many soldiers from this unit, or this platoon, have been affected and so thats naturally quite disturbing. Once you rehabilitate them, train them in a specific job, give them something to do, I think the impact becomes much less, quite less, he said. For some parents, brought up on the doctrine that India was public enemy number one, the war against the Taliban is not one that Pakistan should be fighting in the first place.
Colonel Abbas watches as his once talented commando son, Captain Qasim, is helped into a wheelchair after a physio session. Thanks to therapy at the hospital, he can now walk a little after a brain injury that left him on a ventilator for two months.
This army is not meant for this. There are no goals, there are no aims. Were fighting against Muslims. Muslims are killing other Muslims. AFP

 

Scorpion

Banned
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Recently there have been several miscreants observed who are doing day in night out efforts to malign Pak Army on this forum.

Since the Pak Army apparently does not have time to reply to these misleading extremists, we the patriot Pakistanis need to fill in this space highlighting good deeds of our Army.

For these misleading propag'andists, good news is no news. Lets join hands and spread all the good services of our Armed Forces.

Apprently does not have much time as they are busy counting the US Dollars, DSOP Funds and Applying for Army housing Plots . . . .
 

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