Sultan Salahuddin Ayyubi ( The Saladin )

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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Sultan Salahuddin Ayyubi, the hero of hundreds of battles, was the person who for twenty years braved the storm of the Crusaders and ultimately pushed back the combined forces of Europe which had come to swarm the Arz-e-Muqadas.






http://pakdefenceunit.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/tiger-of-islam-sultan-salahuddin-ayyubi-saladin/
 

gorgias

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
مجھے لگتا ہے کہ روشن خیالی اب تاریخ میں بھی در آئی ہے۔
اگر صلاح الدین ایوبی کے متعلق کچھ جاننا ہے تو صرف یورپی مورخین پر تکیہ نہ کریں بلکہ انگلستان کے بادشاہ ” شیر دل رچرڈ“ (Richard the loinhearted ) کے حالات پڑھیں جو بیت المقدس پر مسلمانوں کے قبضے کے بعد تقریباً پانچ لاکھ کی فوج لے کر مسلمانوں پر حملہ آور ہوا، اس جنگ میں بہت سے اونچ نیچ آئے کبھی صلاح الدین ایوبی کو فتح نصیب ہوئی تو کہیں بد ترین شکست کا منہ بھی دیکھنا پڑا۔لیکن اس سارے عرصے میں صلاح الدین ایوبی رچرڈ سے متاثر رہا اور وقت آنے پر رچرڈ کی مدد بھی کرتا رہا ، مثلاً ایک جنگ میں جب رچرڈ کا گھوڑا مر گیا تو صلاح الدین ایوبی نے فوراً اس کے لیے گھوڑا مہیا کیا، اسی طرح ایک مرتبہ رچرڈ شدید بیمار پڑا، تو ایوبی نے اپنا ذاتی معالج اس کے علاج معالجے کے لیے بھیجا۔ آخر میں تو یہ حالت ہو گئی رچرڈ نے ایوبی کے بھائی سے اپنی بہن کی شادی کی پیشکش کی اور یروشلم کو شادی کے تحفے کے طور پر دونوں کے دینے کا اعلان کیا۔ایوبی نے یہ شرط نہ مانی ۔ آخر کار یہ معائدہ طے پایا کہ یروشلم مسلمانوں کے قبضے میں رہے گا لیکن عیسائی زائرین مقامات مقدسہ کی زیارت کر سکیں گے۔ شیر دل رچرڈ نے صلاح الدین ایوبی کے کردار اور اخلاق کی دل کھول کر تعریف کی ہے۔

 

cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Was he really that nice, tolerant and kind hearted? Let's historian decide....



yes he way , remeber Guy of Lusignan nae jab jerusaelum fatah kiya thae , not even children were spared. 4 foot blood thae , pooled in streets as per some european historians . Jab SALADIn conquered , not a single guy was killed with in city walls.
 

Bacchus

Banned
1-He betrayed his master and his maker Sultan Nur ad-din Zangi: as he sent Ayubi with a large army to crush and conquer Fatimied- Shia dynasty ruled Egypt. He revolted against Nur din Zangi and declared himself Sultan of Egypt. In-spite of going on war against crusaders, they opted to go on war against Shia Sultans of Egypt. Amazing start...eh???

2-The son of Nur din zangi, Salih Ismail Malik got the help of syrian hashshashin leader Rashid din Sinan and his group. They became nightmare of Saladin, as they launched suicide attacks almost 3 times. Finally Saladin used fatimid hashshashin of Egypt to kill the son of Nur din Zangi. And killed his master's son...young king of Aleppo and Mosul was only 13 years old when he was killed. After getting ride of Zangi's son....Now our lord Saladin declared himself Sultan of Egypt, Damascus, Mosul and Aleppo. (So first Fatimied were ousted, then Saljuk were stabbed by our lord Saladin.)

3- Interestingly Lord Saladin's action in Egypt was remarkably repeated and replicated in Indian history in the battle of Pani-patt when Shah wali ullah of Dehli asked Ahmed shah Durrani to attack India to teach lesson to Shia of Awud and Lucknow and Marathas and to re-enforce and re-instate and help Sunni Mughal regime full mightiness ...(there is historical consistency of sunni block's consideration of heresy about shia block.. Naqasbandi Sufi Master Amed of sarhind famous as Alf Mujadid Sani....was arch-leader of declaring war against Shia, rather Hindus.
 

Temojin

Minister (2k+ posts)
1-He betrayed his master and his maker Sultan Nur ad-din Zangi: as he sent Ayubi with a large army to crush and conquer Fatimied- Shia dynasty ruled Egypt. He revolted against Nur din Zangi and declared himself Sultan of Egypt. In-spite of going on war against crusaders, they opted to go on war against Shia Sultans of Egypt. Amazing start...eh???

2-The son of Nur din zangi, Salih Ismail Malik got the help of syrian hashshashin leader Rashid din Sinan and his group. They became nightmare of Saladin, as they launched suicide attacks almost 3 times. Finally Saladin used fatimid hashshashin of Egypt to kill the son of Nur din Zangi. And killed his master's son...young king of Aleppo and Mosul was only 13 years old when he was killed. After getting ride of Zangi's son....Now our lord Saladin declared himself Sultan of Egypt, Damascus, Mosul and Aleppo. (So first Fatimied were ousted, then Saljuk were stabbed by our lord Saladin.)

3- Interestingly Lord Saladin's action in Egypt was remarkably repeated and replicated in Indian history in the battle of Pani-patt when Shah wali ullah of Dehli asked Ahmed shah Durrani to attack India to teach lesson to Shia of Awud and Lucknow and Marathas and to re-enforce and re-instate and help Sunni Mughal regime full mightiness ...(there is historical consistency of sunni block's consideration of heresy about shia block.. Naqasbandi Sufi Master Amed of sarhind famous as Alf Mujadid Sani....was arch-leader of declaring war against Shia, rather Hindus.

Words when twisted only to the slightest bit make a big difference. You can read your comments yourself and would find flaws in the text you have quoted or rather interpreted. Things are a bit different sometimes when history comes. Also, Alf doesn't come before but after Mujaddad. Tells something about your interest and grip while reading some things. See while trying to create a concrete dialogue, one needs to be really careful.

I refute all the above claims and many amongst us here can provide more references to what the other versions are so try not to make something out of nothing. No one can deny what Ayyubi meant to Zangi, how he spent his earlier life and how he got to be on the right path afterwards. No one can also deny the fact how after the death of zangi, enemies played a vital role in getting zangi's son and ayyubi apart. Ayyubi didn't need no assassins to kill anyone, he had his own special services group who would do it without being a suicide mission.

Anyway, I feel it would be a waste of time discussing things here as forums are not the place to discuss things properly as well as making others agree is an impossible task, specially when the indoctrination is really strong. Cheers.
 

Unicorn

Banned
One nation's hero is other nation's oppressor. .... .... As NATO is hero for the west while a terror syndicate for us... .... .... So be cool buddy

I think this guy is going to make hans a saint he is going to dethrone him at the most hated. I think your hero is great but no match for my heroes.

I don't know if you know or not I converted to Shamanism a Mongolian religion. We concurred all eastern Europe, Russia, whole China. We defeated Arabs, Persians and anyone ells that stood against us we conquered all central Asia including Afghanistan and also tamed them. We whipped the Chinese to shape look at them now. Salladin might be a good hero for you but lets be honest he is nowhere close to our heroes.:lol:
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I think this guy is going to make hans a saint he is going to dethrone him at the most hated. I think your hero is great but no match for my heroes.

I don't know if you know or not I converted to Shamanism a Mongolian religion. We concurred all eastern Europe, Russia, whole China. We defeated Arabs, Persians and anyone ells that stood against us we conquered all central Asia including Afghanistan and also tamed them. We whipped the Chinese to shape look at them now. Salladin might be a good hero for you but lets be honest he is nowhere close to our heroes.:lol:
Has the Uncorn lost one horn in those Utopian wars?:) and was a Bicorn then?:(
 

Unicorn

Banned
Has the Uncorn lost one horn in those Utopian wars?:) and was a Bicorn then?:(

Sure it is expected that you would deny that our heroes ever existed. Salldin laid a lengthy seize of Jerusalem. One on our heroes for example, Subutai, would have arrived in Jerusalem around 10.00 pm had a good rest had breakfast around 7 AM than one hour to plan the attack and taken control. Lunch would have bee delayed by couple of hours than moped up operation and had feast at 8pm with good Shamin entertainment.

You got to understand that we defeated one of your heros, Shah Muhammad of Khurazan we were out numbered by 4 to 1 and it took us four days to destroy over 300,000 troops in Samarkand.

Let me leave you with a quote from one of our great heros, Hulagu: I will burn your city, your land, your self. :angry_smile:
 

TruPakistani

Minister (2k+ posts)
I don't know why these indians come on a Pakistani forum (and pretend to be a Pakistani) and show their lack of ...................everything [hilar][hilar][hilar]
 

Agarwal

Councller (250+ posts)
Words when twisted only to the slightest bit make a big difference. You can read your comments yourself and would find flaws in the text you have quoted or rather interpreted. Things are a bit different sometimes when history comes. Also, Alf doesn't come before but after Mujaddad. Tells something about your interest and grip while reading some things. See while trying to create a concrete dialogue, one needs to be really careful.

I refute all the above claims and many amongst us here can provide more references to what the other versions are so try not to make something out of nothing. No one can deny what Ayyubi meant to Zangi, how he spent his earlier life and how he got to be on the right path afterwards. No one can also deny the fact how after the death of zangi, enemies played a vital role in getting zangi's son and ayyubi apart. Ayyubi didn't need no assassins to kill anyone, he had his own special services group who would do it without being a suicide mission.

Anyway, I feel it would be a waste of time discussing things here as forums are not the place to discuss things properly as well as making others agree is an impossible task, specially when the indoctrination is really strong. Cheers.
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Being a 'student' of 'history' since 1958; I have gone through all above posts with utmost interest and am glad to learn that another 'soul' is/thinks similar to wadaich/me! Accept my heartfelt gratitude/appreciation.
 

Temojin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Sure it is expected that you would deny that our heroes ever existed. Salldin laid a lengthy seize of Jerusalem. One on our heroes for example, Subutai, would have arrived in Jerusalem around 10.00 pm had a good rest had breakfast around 7 AM than one hour to plan the attack and taken control. Lunch would have bee delayed by couple of hours than moped up operation and had feast at 8pm with good Shamin entertainment.

You got to understand that we defeated one of your heros, Shah Muhammad of Khurazan we were out numbered by 4 to 1 and it took us four days to destroy over 300,000 troops in Samarkand.

Let me leave you with a quote from one of our great heros, Hulagu: I will burn your city, your land, your self. :angry_smile:

Now, your heroes happen to be my ancestors so lets try it another way too. Most of khans amongst your heroes had converted to Islam so they too fought for Islam. Don't try to tell me that they were not because I know them more than anyone else here as we make each one amongst us memorize it all by heart rather than going towards sources. Shamanism was almost nonexistent right after the death of khan of khans and it was either Islam or christianity (Even the great khan himself was suspected to hav become a Muslims as during his last days, he himself got teb tengri killed by the noble mongol way and a Syyed was the closest to him during his last years without whose consultation, khan wouldn't make any decision, khan's mother herself asked khan if he had become a Muslim and he gave no clear answer as he feared his mother the most in the world, for reference, you must be acquainted with the incidents when she came in Qurultai or during normal sittings to curse him for what she heard in regard to the decisions being made; He could do nothing but to stay quiet, persuade her to go back and ultimately do whatever she wished for). Shamanism only existed amongst commanders (very few). Yes, I am proud that we were the most lethal and powerful force on the face of earth yet I can't rule Salahuddin's bravery and genius out at all.

Whatever, you say, I as a descendant of your heroes feel proud to say that Salahuddin was no doubt someone whose name sends shivers through my spine with the pride that he was a Muslim and I love him more than the likes of hulegu.

Salahuddin is the name of a Lion and that is all.
 

Unicorn

Banned
Now, your heroes happen to be my ancestors so lets try it another way too. Most of khans amongst your heroes had converted to Islam so they too fought for Islam. Don't try to tell me that they were not because I know them more than anyone else here as we make each one amongst us memorize it all by heart rather than going towards sources. Shamanism was almost nonexistent right after the death of khan of khans and it was either Islam or christianity (Even the great khan himself was suspected to hav become a Muslims as during his last days, he himself got teb tengri killed by the noble mongol way and a Syyed was the closest to him during his last years without whose consultation, khan wouldn't make any decision, khan's mother herself asked khan if he had become a Muslim and he gave no clear answer as he feared his mother the most in the world, for reference, you must be acquainted with the incidents when she came in Qurultai or during normal sittings to curse him for what she heard in regard to the decisions being made; He could do nothing but to stay quiet, persuade her to go back and ultimately do whatever she wished for). Shamanism only existed amongst commanders (very few). Yes, I am proud that we were the most lethal and powerful force on the face of earth yet I can't rule Salahuddin's bravery and genius out at all.

Whatever, you say, I as a descendant of your heroes feel proud to say that Salahuddin was no doubt someone whose name sends shivers through my spine with the pride that he was a Muslim and I love him more than the likes of hulegu.

Salahuddin is the name of a Lion and that is all.

I am so glad to find the ancestor of my heros on this forum. As a decedent of my heros I disagree with you, I have acknowledged the accomplishments of Salladdin but in my opinion Subutai was way superior. That stiff @wadaich refuses to accept that our heroes ever existed and he got me all mad.

May I suggest that you call yourself Ganzez Khan instead of Timujin. That will make me very happy.
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I don't know why these indians come on a Pakistani forum (and pretend to be a Pakistani) and show their lack of ...................everything [hilar][hilar][hilar]
They didn't even bother to send some sensible ones ....... who have the bare minimum sense as to where poke the nose...and they end up in getting a bloody nose:lol:. The height of the stupidity is that some of them are with broken horns... and pretend that had only one..:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

Unicorn

Banned
They didn't even bother to send some sensible ones ....... who have the bare minimum sense as to where poke the nose...and they end up in getting a bloody nose:lol:. The height of the stupidity is that some of them are with broken horns... and pretend that had only one..:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Now that I beat you in the heroes category I see that you have resorted to "Chugli" and for your information I don't have any horns.
 

Temojin

Minister (2k+ posts)
I am so glad to find the ancestor of my heros on this forum. As a decedent of my heros I disagree with you, I have acknowledged the accomplishments of Salladdin but in my opinion Subutai was way superior. That stiff @wadaich refuses to accept that our heroes ever existed and he got me all mad.

May I suggest that you call yourself Ganzez Khan instead of Timujin. That will make me very happy.

Again, it is subject to conditions. Can't call myself Chingez as Temojin is my actual name :). I don't think that anyone who believes in the military prowess of the armies of khan should get enraged at things because none can't deny these facts and getting mad only shows one's disbelief. Also, is it an appropriate action to reciprocate in the same way and discard the military genius of a man like Ayyubi?

By the by, no offence really and I mean it but the comment about bicorn made me chuckle and still does whenever I think about it. Sorry again if it offended you.:)
 

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