Spoon in underwear saving UK youth from forced marriage

[nvra911]

I agree the problem does exist, but to single out pakistan is injustice. and its not 95% according to the article.

Last year, the Foreign Offices Forced Marriage Unit dealt with some 1,500 cases 18 percent of them men.

A third of cases involved children aged under 17. The oldest victim was aged 71; the youngest just two. The cases related to 60 countries: almost half were linked to Pakistan, 11 percent to Bangladesh, eight percent to India, and two percent to Afghanistan. Other countries were Somalia, Turkey and Iraq.


So a third of 1500 is 500 - children

50% of 500 is 250 -Pakistani children

that would be 16.77 % of total cases

I still agree 250 cases reported are too many, and it must be fixed by educating the parents and the children.

[HI]But don't paint it as a Pakistani problem.[/HI]

with 1.2 million British Pakistani's it effects 0.02% of Pakistani's

I still agree 0.02% is too much and should be dealt with.

With mathematics skills like that, why are you not employed as some chief of statistics and economics bureau of some country!!

Dude I can't help but uncomfortably :doh: at your comment that this problem is not to be taken as Pakistani. Firstly, you fail to calculate that 50% of 1,500 is 750 Pakistani cases. But when you do calculate a wrong figure of 250, you then hint as if this is not a problem.

In a country where everyone is civilised and educated, and whoever needs is clothed, fed and sheltered by the govt., even one case of forced marriage is shocking.

I have lived in the UK for a long time now and the situation of Pakistani community is beyond hopeless. Come over here and see for it yourself sometime.

 

[nvra911]

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[adnan_younus]

the horrific act her parents did is difference... keeping a spoon in yr underwear beause ur forced to go to pakistan and ur escape is securiity detecting u is stupid... 16 in UK means u have attended school... with full exposure to western world.... u may be duped in going to pakistan but taking by force and a spoon saving u is stupid

Dude, when innocent inexperienced teenagers are forced into something like this by their parents then they don't know how to deal with such stress. They are not fully experienced adults and lack the confidence and understanding of problem solving in life, specially problems like these.

For example, read this story. This is sheer horror but it will make you understand that the poor girl went through: Pakistan village where Shafilea drank bleach to avoid an arranged marriage.

 

[nvra911]

the horrific act her parents did is difference... keeping a spoon in yr underwear beause ur forced to go to pakistan and ur escape is securiity detecting u is stupid... 16 in UK means u have attended school... with full exposure to western world.... u may be duped in going to pakistan but taking by force and a spoon saving u is stupid

Being born and brought up in Western world doesn't mean anything when the parent that brought the teenager up had parenting skills worse than psychopaths. They killed their daughter in the name of honour. So you're expecting that a child that grew up in that home would be perfectly normal in her decision ability, confidence, ability to protect herself from harm when the parents who were her protectors were actually planning to kill her in the name of honour??!?!?!??

Dude :doh:.

 

[miafridi]

Everywhere else int he world religion shapes culture. Now if we don't want to accept that there are some real problems somewhere, we can happily gloss over them by calling a problem of 'culture' and sweep our problems under the rung - :doh:.

How did religion come to people? There were communities, then a prophet came to teach them religion. they accepted it. It is standard procedure be it hindu, Muslim, Buddist, Jew, Christianity. The religion shapes and also shaped many of the dealings but not all.

Islam urges the need for asking from both the groom and the bride(specially), if she is willing to take the groom as her husband, but still many Muslim communities ignore it and consider it a bad tradition to ask from their daughters while others do not ask their daughters because of fear that people will make fun of them, which clearly states that people doesn't perform true religion and culture takes priority in many areas that people live in.

So forced marriages is clearly a cultural thing not a religious matter.

 

[nvra911]

How did religion come to people? There were communities, then a prophet came to teach them religion. they accepted it. It is standard procedure be it hindu, Muslim, Buddist, Jew, Christianity. The religion shapes and also shaped many of the dealings but not all.

Islam urges the need for asking from both the groom and the bride(specially), if she is willing to take the groom as her husband, but still many Muslim communities ignore it and consider it a bad tradition to ask from their daughters while others do not ask their daughters because of fear that people will make fun of them, which clearly states that people doesn't perform true religion and culture takes priority in many areas that people live in.

So forced marriages is clearly a cultural thing not a religious matter.

Thanks man for you comment. I really like reading you posts because you put forward proper points.

However, to counter your argument I will give you one example which'll throw your point out of the window: A father can stop her adult independent daughter if she wishes to marry a non-Muslim out of her choice. I have seen this happen with one of my friends here in UK and another girl who's family is friend of my family. I saw it with my own eyes that she was being psychologically manipulated by her family and forced into not marrying a non-Muslim whom she liked and the reason given to her by her family was that is was as per Islam.

What do you have to say about this kind of scenario then?? I would really like to know you comment on this.

 

[adnan_younus]

u still havent retionalised the logic of spoon and an underwear.... and beating about the bush.. my point is simple.... this spoon story is stupid.... for 16 year olds...

Being born and brought up in Western world doesn't mean anything when the parent that brought the teenager up had parenting skills worse than psychopaths. They killed their daughter in the name of honour. So you're expecting that a child that grew up in that home would be perfectly normal in her decision ability, confidence, ability to protect herself from harm when the parents who were her protectors were actually planning to kill her in the name of honour??!?!?!??

Dude :doh:.

 

[nvra911]

u still havent retionalised the logic of spoon and an underwear.... and beating about the bush.. my point is simple.... this spoon story is stupid.... for 16 year olds...

Even if I spell it to you, you won't get it. So leave it. You just lack the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes and to you it'd sound stupid in any case.

Here in the UK, let alone teenagers, even if adults ring the Police and say that they are being victimised then the whole State comes into action to protect that person. You can ask the same question that why do so many people in the UK bear domestic violence years on years and not just ring the Police immediately on the free number...

Dude, in almost all such cases emotional bullying is at play and the weak and vulnerable don't make the right sensible decisions most of the times. To you it sounds stupid because you're not subjected to emotional bullying. You're lucky in that way but very insensitive at the same time not to be able to feel for this tragedy or understand it.

Go play with you million dollar civic vti oriel that daddy purchased for you and shout at the bare feet young children who knock at your car window and beg for money. Shout at them for why the hell these children don't buy Nike sneakers, take a shower, stop smelling bad, dress in abercrombie and go to school... Urgh these kids begging at signal crossings are so misguided and spoiled and they ruined the blurred lines song I was just listening to in my car... Urrgh why don't just they become rich and successful like me in my black honda civic oriel prosmatec with 6 cd changer & leather seats!