Sochta Pakistan - Jan 2012 - India Pakistan Debate with Shashi Tharoor & Naseem Zahra
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zubair1234
Senator (1k+ posts)
nazim and ajaz you have explain very well pakistan agenda
Star Gazer
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Nasim and Aijaz have put their points very nicely,lot of material for Tharoor sahib to think and take home for further consultation. Pakistan is not what india imagines it to be !
only_truths
Minister (2k+ posts)
Thanks Moeen Pirzada. This discussion has brought the main focul point in the India-Pakistan relations. For India, Kashmir has nothing to do with Pak_India relations, whereas for Pakistan, Kashmir has everything to do with Pak-India relations.
Time has come for Pak intelligentsia to come to a reality, Kashmir has long gone in the top priority of Worlds list, thanks to OBL.
Time has come for Pak intelligentsia to come to a reality, Kashmir has long gone in the top priority of Worlds list, thanks to OBL.
IndiaGuy
Senator (1k+ posts)
The bitter truth is that Indian economy is 100 times stronger and bigger than pakistan. they can afford to have larger territory while pakistan is not able to control what they have it.Kashmir cannot solve the current issues of pakistan such as gas, unemployment, terrorism,law and order and foriegn investments.It is in the best interest of pakistan to have good economic and trade relationship with India until they get back to normal and then raise the issue of Kashmir for their personal pleasure.
Not a single conflict in world has ever died that way. Indians must understand that only solution of Kashmir will come through consent of Pakistan. India can continue its illegal rule for decades and become a pariah state and modern day curse like Israel but it can't kill the spirit of freedom. We can wait :)
InsafianPTI
Minister (2k+ posts)
what is world???
People of kashmir should decide what is their priority that even our so called UN recognised, not what americans or israel's want.
telling people we are rich therefore listn to us is not a legitimate arguement like you mate has tried to do. Israel itself is the big example of that, they are still fighting for their survival.
People of kashmir should decide what is their priority that even our so called UN recognised, not what americans or israel's want.
telling people we are rich therefore listn to us is not a legitimate arguement like you mate has tried to do. Israel itself is the big example of that, they are still fighting for their survival.
IndiaGuy
Senator (1k+ posts)
Unfortunately this is biter truth that people who are rich dictate the terms... else US/NATO would not kills 25 innocent Pakistan soldiers.What did pakistan do? Restore law and order/stop exporting terrorism and convince the world that you are right and India is wrong..or else Might is Right!!!
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only_truths
Minister (2k+ posts)
The main issue for Pakistan now is not that it should go to them, now they have come one ladder down that Kashmir's have the right to decide whether they want to be independent? So, the net result what they want is that if I don't gain, then you should lose. Yeh sab zero sum game.
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only_truths
Minister (2k+ posts)
LOL. Israel is not fighting for survival. Everyone around them is fighting for survival, look at the onslaught of Arab Spring. I do agree that Palestine or any Arab state should be independent but not at the cost of Israel.
only_truths
Minister (2k+ posts)
Afghanistan is the best example of consent of Pakistan. If you do not like certain things then you cannot curse. Curses won;t work that way.
InsafianPTI
Minister (2k+ posts)
you are not that rich that you start dictating terms.
China is richer than you, far more richer than you but they had to liberate hong knog. china has taken up your area as well, what did you do in that regard????
yes might works but that does not mean you give up and bow down, afghans are the best example of that.
as far as pak-america relation is concerned, US is not pissed off with any other country at the moment as it is with us, given the kind of so called 'selected' leaders we have i can only say its complicated.
China is richer than you, far more richer than you but they had to liberate hong knog. china has taken up your area as well, what did you do in that regard????
yes might works but that does not mean you give up and bow down, afghans are the best example of that.
as far as pak-america relation is concerned, US is not pissed off with any other country at the moment as it is with us, given the kind of so called 'selected' leaders we have i can only say its complicated.
InsafianPTI
Minister (2k+ posts)
well thats what Israel says that they have threats to their survival :)
Arab spring is and will be a nightmare for israel, israel will only have to give palestine its due right.
Arab spring is and will be a nightmare for israel, israel will only have to give palestine its due right.
InsafianPTI
Minister (2k+ posts)
I don't think you are actually understanding it.
There is one principle stand and you all know that its kashmiris, they are the sake holders as well.
secondly india having kashmir in its hands will remain a threat and can possibly break the treaty's they have with paksitan in future for its gains, so its not just the establishment demand, its the people of pakistan who demand the fair solution for this so that it does not pose a threat in future, even if it means make it an independent state.
There is one principle stand and you all know that its kashmiris, they are the sake holders as well.
secondly india having kashmir in its hands will remain a threat and can possibly break the treaty's they have with paksitan in future for its gains, so its not just the establishment demand, its the people of pakistan who demand the fair solution for this so that it does not pose a threat in future, even if it means make it an independent state.
only_truths
Minister (2k+ posts)
So, I am correct. The Pakistani solution to Kashmir is that if it cannot become part of Pakistan, then it should also be not part of India.
InsafianPTI
Minister (2k+ posts)
yeah but its not for the jealousy and for the sake of competition, it is due to the complicated situation involving other things e.g. borders and water issue, and kashmiris are on board in that.
But I think an alliance with pakistan is the best option and you know who I am.
But I think an alliance with pakistan is the best option and you know who I am.
bhasin_parveen
MPA (400+ posts)
india has very clear policy kashmir is the part of india
United4Pak
Minister (2k+ posts)
Unfortunately, this thinking that I will not be affected has led us all in the world to the state we are in.
If give and take policy is not applied here then we might suffer for another century while we can have a better prospects for both Indians and Pakistanis. If Indians feel that Kashmir is some pleasure that Pakistan wants then let us have our pleasure and it might lead to your pleasure i.e. peace that you long for. With our pleasure the will to keep a strong Indo-centric army will not be there so it is win win situation for both if you understand.
