Saudi Arabia's war between god's and archaeology... how stupid can you go.

[hans]

Well Why did Taliban blew Buddha statue in Afghanistan?

If converting Gravers of Sahaba inot Car parking lotsis correct, why this process started after 1918. Islam has been flurshing for the past 1400 years.. suddenly this urge to destroy all landmarks related to Islamic History. Why this fever starts now.

 

[awan4ever]

Why do we keep the Grave of the Prophet pbuh intact?
Does he not hold more emotional and spiritual authority than an Sahabi?
By your logic should we be led to beleieve that his grave should not exist either?
Or do you have some differnt logic for that?

As far as the comment that people will start worshiping graves well how about 'educating' people instead of resorting to destroying everything in sight?
The reason the KSA rulers dont want to promote education and free thinking is so that people dont see through their despotic rule and turn against them. That is also the reason why they dont keep strong armies. So that the generals dont turn on them. They just keep a ruthless police force.

 

[awan4ever]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience...e/prehistoriccemeteryrevealsmanandfoxwerepals

Just a little sample of the latest archeological dig in the middle east, tracing the origins of civilization.

 

[Pakistani1947]

Why do we keep the Grave of the Prophet pbuh intact?
Does he not hold more emotional and spiritual authority than an Sahabi?
By your logic should we be led to beleieve that his grave should not exist either?
Or do you have some differnt logic for that?

anwar4ever, You are certainly very "brave" man as you are trying to convince Muslims not follow the instruction of our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh as mentioned in following Sahih Muslim hadiths:

Thumama b. Shafayy reported: When we were with Fadala b. 'Ubaid in the country of the Romans at a place (known as) Rudis, a friend of ours died. Fadala b. 'Ubaid ordered to prepare a grave for him and then it was levelled; and then he said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) commanding ((us)) to level the grave. (Sahih Muslim; Book #004, Hadith #2114)

abu'l-Hayyaj al-asadi told that 'ali (b. abu Talib) said to him: Should I not send you on the same mission as allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent me? Do not leave an image without obliterating it, or a high grave without levelling it. This hadith has been reported by Habib with the same chain of transmitters and he said: (Do not leave) a picture without obliterating it. (Sahih Muslim; Book #004, Hadith #2115)

You might be able to get reward in this world for your "bravery" but this world is very limited and we must be more interested in the hereafter than this fragile world.

What you are trying to say that since our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh grave is intact hence we should ignore the instruction of our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh as mentioned in above Sahih Muslim hadiths and start constructing the Mazars of saints so that Muslims can continue their Shirkia acts? what a "brave" man you are!!

Do you know why our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh were not buried in open place and were actually buried in the "hujra" (home) of Ummat-ul-Momineen Aisha (RA). The only reason was to avoid the possibility of grave worshiping. Click here to know the details.

 

[usm100]

:) wow what a thread ... do we have so much free time to waste our energies.

 

[gazoomartian]

Why is it that HANS who does not seem to be a Muslim is always bringing things that would put people into conflict. Is that intentional??? Is it OK for this forum to start talking about other religions? How about starting something about Buddhists, Hindus and Christians??

If you are coming on to someone else's forum Hans then try and respect their religion if you cannot do that even then I do not think that you deserve being on this forum.

I am surprised that you didnt know. hans is an Indian living in germany working for raw and pestering us on siasat. put him on ignore

 

[Baba jee]

I am surprised that you didnt know. hans is an Indian living in germany working for raw and pestering us on siasat. put him on ignore

come on, what are you talking man? few days back someone was criticizing Molson4u about his forum name "Molson4u". Grow up guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[awan4ever]

anwar4ever, You are certainly very "brave" man as you are trying to convince Muslims not follow the instruction of our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh as mentioned in following Sahih Muslim hadiths:

Thumama b. Shafayy reported: When we were with Fadala b. 'Ubaid in the country of the Romans at a place (known as) Rudis, a friend of ours died. Fadala b. 'Ubaid ordered to prepare a grave for him and then it was levelled; and then he said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) commanding ((us)) to level the grave. (Sahih Muslim; Book #004, Hadith #2114)

abu'l-Hayyaj al-asadi told that 'ali (b. abu Talib) said to him: Should I not send you on the same mission as allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent me? Do not leave an image without obliterating it, or a high grave without levelling it. This hadith has been reported by Habib with the same chain of transmitters and he said: (Do not leave) a picture without obliterating it. (Sahih Muslim; Book #004, Hadith #2115)

You might be able to get reward in this world for your "bravery" but this world is very limited and we must be more interested in the hereafter than this fragile world.

What you are trying to say that since our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh grave is intact hence we should ignore the instruction of our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh as mentioned in above Sahih Muslim hadiths and start constructing the Mazars of saints so that Muslims can continue their Shirkia acts? what a "brave" man you are!!

Do you know why our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh were not buried in open place and were actually buried in the "hujra" (home) of Ummat-ul-Momineen Aisha (RA). The only reason was to avoid the possibility of grave worshiping.

I am just asking a question which has to crop up when you bring up the topic of leveling of graves.
If everything was to be leveled then why does their exist a grave yard called 'Jannat-ul-baqee'?

Instead of answering my question in light of your views you are deflecting.
Why dont you be brave enough and say what Ibn e Abdul Wahab had said...he was of the view that had he enough power he would have razed the Prophets pbuh tomb.

 

[awan4ever]

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Stop going sectarian.
Just like you dont believe in the version of history that we belive in, we dont believe in your stories.
Keep them to yourself and dont bring the good name of people we respect and admire into disrepute.
Im sure there are many places on the internet where you can spew your venom against those who were beloved to the Prophet pbuh but this is not one of those places.

 

[Pakistani1947]

Jannat al Baqi

I am just asking a question which has to crop up when you bring up the topic of leveling of graves. If everything was to be leveled then why does their exist a grave yard called 'Jannat-ul-baqee'?

awan4ever, see following video of Jannat-ul-baqee. Thanks to rulers of Saudi Arabia (despite their weaknesses) they followed mentioned below instruction of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) to level the graves:

Thumama b. Shafayy reported: When we were with Fadala b. 'Ubaid in the country of the Romans at a place (known as) Rudis, a friend of ours died. Fadala b. 'Ubaid ordered to prepare a grave for him and then it was levelled; and then he said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) commanding ((us)) to level the grave. (Sahih Muslim; Book #004, Hadith #2114)

abu'l-Hayyaj al-asadi told that 'ali (b. abu Talib) said to him: Should I not send you on the same mission as allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent me? Do not leave an image without obliterating it, or a high grave without levelling it. This hadith has been reported by Habib with the same chain of transmitters and he said: (Do not leave) a picture without obliterating it. (Sahih Muslim; Book #004, Hadith #2115)

 

[Pakistani1947]

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) burial place:

Why dont you be brave enough and say what Ibn e Abdul Wahab had said...he was of the view that had he enough power he would have razed the Prophets pbuh tomb.

Brother awan4ever, I do not care what Abdul Wahab says. I follow Qur'aan and Sunnah not Abdul Wahab!

Following is the background of Prophet Muhammad pbuh burial place:

The presence of the Prophets grave in his masjid in Madeenah can neither be used to justify the placing of bodies in other masjid s nor the building of masjids over graves. The Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) did not order that he be buried in his masjid, nor did his companions put his grave into the masjid. The companions of the Prophet (RA) wisely avoided burying the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in the local graveyard for fear that later generations would become overly attached to his grave.Umar, the freed slave of Ghafrah, related that when the Sahaabah (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) gathered to decide on the Prophets (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) burial, one said:Let us bury him in the place where he used to pray. Abu Bakr (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) replied,May Allaah protect us from making him an idol to be worshipped. Others said,Let us bury him in al-Baqee (a graveyard in Madeenah) where his brothers among the Muhaajireen (migrants from Makkah) are buried. Abu Bakr (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) replied:Verily burying the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in al-Baqee is detestable because some people may try to seek refuge in him which is a right belonging only to Allaah. So, if we take him out (to the graveyard), we will ruin Allaahs right, even if we carefully guard the Messengers grave. They then asked,What is your opinion, O Abu Bakr (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ)? He replied,I heard Allaahs Messenger say:Allaah has not taken the life of any of his prophets except that were buried where they died. Some of them said,By Allaah, what you have said is pleasing and convincing. Then they made a line around the Prophets (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) bed inAaeshahs (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) house) and dug the grave where his bed was.Alee, al-Abbaas, al-Fadl, and the Prophets (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) family took his body and prepared it for burial. [Collected by Ibn Zanjooyah and quoted by al-Albaanee in Tahdheer as-Saajid, (Beirut: al-
Maktab al-Islaamee, 2nd. ed., 1972), pp.13-4.]

Aaeshahs (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) house was separated from the masjid by a wall and it had a door through which the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) used to enter the masjid to lead salaah . The companions (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) sealed off this doorway in order to complete the separation of the Prophets (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) grave from his masjid. Consequently, the only way that his grave could be visited at that time was from outside the masjid.

Expansions of the masjid took place in the time of the second CaliphUmar (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) and the third CaliphUthmaan (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ). But both of them cautiously avoided the inclusion of eitherAaeshahs (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) house or that of any of the other wives of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). Expansion in the direction of the houses of the wives of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) would have automatically included the Prophets grave in the masjid. However, after the death of all the Sahaabah who were in Medinah, [The last Sahaabee to die in Madeenah was Jaabir ibnAbdillaah. He died there in 699 CE during the reign of CaliphAbdul-Malik (reign 685-705 CE).]

Caliph al-Waleed ibnAbdil- Malik (reign 705-715 C.E.) was the first to extend thema s jid in an easterly direction. He includedAaeshahs (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) house inside thema s jid, but demolished the houses of the other wives of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). The expansion was reported to have been carried out by al-Waleeds governorUmar ibnAbdul-Azeez.

WhenAaeshahs (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) house was included inside the masjid, a high circular wall was built around it so that it would not be visible at all from inside the masjid. Two additional walls were later built at an angle from the two northern corners of the house in such a way that they met each other forming a triangle. This was down to prevent anyone from facing the grave directly. [Narrated by al-Qurtubee and quoted in Tayseer al-Azeez al-Hameed, p.324.]

Many years later, the familiar dome was added to the roof of the masjid and was placed directly above the Prophets (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) grave. [Sultan Kalawoon as-Salaahee built the first dome over the chamber in 1282 CE and it was first painted green by order of Sultan Abdul-Hameed in 1837 (see Ali Hafiz, Chapters from the History of Madinah, (Jeddah: Al-Madina Printing and Publication Co., 1st ed., 1987), pp.78-9).]

The grave was later surrounded by a brass cage with doors and windows, and the walls of the grave itself were draped in green cloth. In spite of the barriers which have been placed around the Prophets grave, the error still remains to be corrected. Walls should once again be placed to separate it from the masjid so that no one could pray in its direction nor visit it inside the masjid.

Source: http://www.scribd.com/doc/26291168/Foundation-of-Islamic-Study-Module-1-3-5

 

[wanderer]

I second pakistani1947. They are doing good in this matter. Muslims would have started tawaf if they did not do this.

No they would not have started tawaf. IF the saudi officials have STOPPED tawaf of Roza-E-Nabi, Jannat al Baqi and other respected places. They would have warded off anything else.

The saudi officials have runined the historic relevance as well as as the sacred land by building and allowing amenities as KFCies and the SPA resorts in these high rise bulding.

 

[Pakistani1947]

The saudi officials have runined the historic relevance as well as as the sacred land by building and allowing amenities as KFCies and the SPA resorts in these high rise bulding.

It is better to ruin the historic relevance than allowing the Shirkia activities.

Thanks to rulers of Saudi Arabia (despite their weaknesses) they followed mentioned below instruction of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) to level the graves:

Thumama b. Shafayy reported: When we were with Fadala b. 'Ubaid in the country of the Romans at a place (known as) Rudis, a friend of ours died. Fadala b. 'Ubaid ordered to prepare a grave for him and then it was levelled; and then he said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) commanding ((us)) to level the grave. (Sahih Muslim; Book #004, Hadith #2114)

Abu'l-Hayyaj Al-Asadi told that 'Ali (b. abu Talib) said to him: Should I not send you on the same mission as allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent me? Do not leave an image without obliterating it, or a high grave without levelling it. This hadith has been reported by Habib with the same chain of transmitters and he said: (Do not leave) a picture without obliterating it. (Sahih Muslim; Book #004, Hadith #2115)

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[such bolo]

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[Pakistani1947]

بسم اللہ الرحمٰن الرحیم

١) اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم نے فتح مکّہ والے دن کعبہ میں موجود تین سو ساٹھ بتوں کو ایک ایک کر کے گرایا، کیا اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم ان بتوں کی تاریخی حیثیت نہیں جانتے تھے؟؟؟


٢) حضرت عمر رضی اللہ عنہ نے اس درخت کو جڑ سے اکھاڑنے کا حکم دیدیا جہاں لوگ خصوصی طور پر نماز پڑھنے جاتے تھے کیوں کے اس درخت کے نیچے بیعت رضوان ہوئی تھے اور اس درخت کا ذکر قرآن میں تھا..
طبقات ٢/١٠٠ اور مرویات غزوہ حدیبیہ ص ١٣٧ اور کتاب البدع -ابن اوضح ٤٣

٣) اس کے علاوہ حضرت دانیال علیہ سلام کے متعلقات اور انکے جسم کو رات کے اندھیرے میں کئی قبریں کھدوا کے دفن کرادیا حضرت عمر رضی اللہ عنہ نے اور تمام قبروں کو برابر کردیا جو کے کئی کتابوں میں مذکور ہے

یہ واقعات ثابت کرتے ہیں کے جہاں معاملہ تاریخی آثار کا شرک کا سبب بننے کا ہو اور لوگوں کے ناجائز تبرک حاصل کرنے کا ہو تو ایسے تاریخی مقامات کو پہلی فرصت میں ختم کردینا یا لوگوں کی پونہچ سے دور کردینا ہی دین میں مطلوب ہے...تاکے شرک اور بدعت تک جانے والے تمام راستوں کو بند کیا جاسکے اور دین کو خالص رکھا جاسکے


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My Dear brother Such bolo,

May Allah give you reward equivalent to a hajj, or more, for this post. (Aameen).

May Allah give hidayat to our Muslim brothers and sisters to stop blind following their Peers and give them wisdom to follow quraan and Sunnah ONLY. (Aameen)

 

[hans]

I am surprised that you didnt know. hans is an Indian living in germany working for raw and pestering us on siasat. put him on ignore

Bhai gazoomartian = garib matam,
Why are you so worried about my linage. Read my post and try to answer with a truth Heart. Trust me, I was born in Karachi PECHS way back in 1961 ...
My Father migrated from West Bengal, and to tell you the truth he was the first person to teach me to hold on to your grounds for the righteous. He is around 90 plus and a
addictive supporter of MQM.

Now would you be nice and say sorry for your collection of words. Labeled as Expert on Siasat.pk, you look like one stupid kid. Try acting a bit sober with the stench of beer from your mouth.