Salat in the Quran

[Citizen X]

Haldi Raam 2.0 will never engage in any rational debate. He is one of those morons who just want to argue in vain.

I just found it hilarious haldi ram 2.0 lecturing others about it. Specially when all his drivel in this thread is right there for everyone to see! lol

 

[Sohail Shuja]

I had honestly decided it was not worth wasting my time with you anymore in this thread but then you throw out this gem!

This is rich comedy gold from you, someone who wouldn't recognize a civilized debate based on logic if it came and slapped you on the face lecturing others on how to conduct one !

Thanks for the laugh, it made my day.

try some burnol hot butt

 

[asifukp]

I don't give a rats ass about what you do or what you charge, which seems quite exorbitant seeing that you lack even the most basic comprehension skills. I never asked you or anyone for anything.

I put up a challenge and have put up the same challenge many a times in the past as well, you decided to take up the challenge on your own free will and failed miserably at it. Seeing that totally failed to understand the challenge so I just spelt out the terms of the challenge more clearly. And this was your response to that! Sigh!

Since you answered with a clip, its only fair I return the favour.

I suggest you not to take up challenges in subjects you have 0 knowledge of or no experience in.


Oh FFS!

Bright spark I'm the one who made the claim and then challenged anyone to prove me wrong. I've already done the research and I know no such hadith exists, hence I made the open challenge so confidently. Sheesh

is it that time of the month? or you missed you pill or something? why are you angry???? forget about the challenge, your IQ is way below average and you are not here to actually learn or understand...so stop trolling. nobody gives a crap about your challenge as you are lying that you read all the books of hadees in the world so that you are very confident. Islamic books are not written according to your wishes, so you shush..

 

[Sohail Shuja]

I've had enough of this mentally ill person. I feel sorry for him, as he might be suffering from psychological disorders.

What happened sanitary incharge? Couldn't find a single answer? and when one comes up with halfwit questions like you people do, he appears to you as mentally sick?
Why you guys are just too frightened from your own image?

I just found it hilarious haldi ram 2.0 lecturing others about it. Specially when all his drivel in this thread is right there for everyone to see! lol

Not only my drive, but where I have driven you guys is also on this thread as shiny as a mirror.

When you get normal (of which there is a negative probability), try to read through it again or better, ask someone else to do it on your part but not your Bromance partner, he is equally loony as you. Perhaps you infected each other.

BTW, what is you guys next call? LGBTQ rights in Islam?

 

[Citizen X]

is it that time of the month? or you missed you pill or something? why are you angry????

LOL Angry who me? No way, you're the one who went all mogambo, I am this this and charge this this so dont fuck me I'm suppose to be some big shot! lol

you are not here to actually learn or understand.

And what knowledge have you tried to relay here exactly? Knowledge I refused to "learn or understand"

nobody gives a crap about your challenge

Obviously you do since you took it up!

you are lying that you read all the books of hadees in the world

Ohhh I never said Ive read all the hadith books in the world, you can go back and check . Next to impossible task if you ask me, at last count there were around 50 plus popular collections, not books but collections each many with multiple volumes of just sunni hadith books. add to that shia hadith and then all the other collections and minor books. I don't think anyone in the world has read ALL the hadiths out there.

Maybe you will listen to one of your own moulvis

 

[Wake up Pak]

LOL Angry who me? No way, you're the one who went all mogambo, I am this this and charge this this so dont fuck me I'm suppose to be some big shot! lol

And what knowledge have you tried to relay here exactly? Knowledge I refused to "learn or understand"

Obviously you do since you took it up!


Ohhh I never said Ive read all the hadith books in the world, you can go back and check . Next to impossible task if you ask me, at last count there were around 50 plus popular collections, not books but collections each many with multiple volumes of just sunni hadith books. add to that shia hadith and then all the other collections and minor books. I don't think anyone in the world has read ALL the hadiths out there.

Maybe you will listen to one of your own moulvis

I asked this question to atensari what the mullah in the video is saying

Aik sadha sa sawal hay, kiya jo mukhtalif ravi ahadith kay zariyay namaz key thori bohat tafseel bata rahay hain kiya woh Muslim thay?
Agar woh Muslim thaay tu namaz bhi parhtay hongay? Tu aik ravi namaz key sari tafseel aik hadith may kiyon nahi bata sakta?

 

[Wake up Pak]

What happened sanitary incharge? Couldn't find a single answer? and when one comes up with halfwit questions like you people do, he appears to you as mentally sick?
Why you guys are just too frightened from your own image?


Not only my drive, but where I have driven you guys is also on this thread as shiny as a mirror.

When you get normal (of which there is a negative probability), try to read through it again or better, ask someone else to do it on your part but not your Bromance partner, he is equally loony as you. Perhaps you infected each other.

BTW, what is you guys next call? LGBTQ rights in Islam?

How to perform Namaz as per the ahadith.
Only LGBTQ members can not answer that question.

 

[asifukp]

I don't give a rats ass about what you do or what you charge, which seems quite exorbitant seeing that you lack even the most basic comprehension skills. I never asked you or anyone for anything.

I put up a challenge and have put up the same challenge many a times in the past as well, you decided to take up the challenge on your own free will and failed miserably at it. Seeing that totally failed to understand the challenge so I just spelt out the terms of the challenge more clearly. And this was your response to that! Sigh!

Since you answered with a clip, its only fair I return the favour.

I suggest you not to take up challenges in subjects you have 0 knowledge of or no experience in.


Oh FFS!

Bright spark I'm the one who made the claim and then challenged anyone to prove me wrong. I've already done the research and I know no such hadith exists, hence I made the open challenge so confidently. Sheesh!

I have failed to satisfy you mate, as your challenge has left a big hole and no one can fill it up for you, no matter how big of a solution they provide so I declare you "all knowing hot shot" as you have proved all the Muslims wrong for performing salah . By the way, how do you perform salath? Or you never did it? You technically shouldn't if you are not convinced about it.

 

[Sohail Shuja]

How to perform Namaz as per the ahadith.

Same as how to ban opium from man compiled Quran

Only LGBTQ members can not answer that question.

Is that why you haven't answered it?

 

[Citizen X]

I have failed to satisfy you mate,

And terribly at that, but kudos for at least trying, thats more than can be said for many of the hadith thumpers here.

as your challenge has left a big hole and no one can fill it up for you,

No traditional hadithist mushrik can and even your own moulvis admit it

no matter how big of a solution they provide

NONE have been provided till date, forget big or small.

By the way, how do you perform salath?

I use to for 40 plus years of my life, just like every other traditional Sunni Muslim.

Or you never did it? You technically shouldn't if you are not convinced about it.

I stopped when I realized Salah has nothing to do the 5 times a day daily ritual prayer as taught by the traditional Muslims.

 

[Citizen X]

Only LGBTQ members can not answer that question.

LOL I see what you did there. Put the poor bastard in a catch 22

 

[Wake up Pak]

LOL I see what you did there. Put the poor bastard in a catch 22

I hope he has learned his lesson.

 

[Citizen X]

I hope he has learned his lesson.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you! lol
Haldi Ram 2.0 will be back again in a flash.

 

[asifukp]

And terribly at that, but kudos for at least trying, thats more than can be said for many of the hadith thumpers here.

No traditional hadithist mushrik can and even your own moulvis admit it

NONE have been provided till date, forget big or small.

I use to for 40 plus years of my life, just like every other traditional Sunni Muslim.

I stopped when I realized Salah has nothing to do the 5 times a day daily ritual prayer as taught by the traditional Muslims.

I agree with you on the validity/authentication of alot of hadees books/Islamic traditions e.g if a person was Jew/Christen for most of his life in the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), kept some sort of scriptures(tempered) at home and then become Muslim(for real or as munafiq) but after his death all the material/books found by his kids or grandchildren must be considered as "Islamic" and end up in Islamic Hadees. by the way what's your view on the validity of Quran?

 

[Citizen X]

I agree with you on the validity/authentication of alot of hadees books/Islamic traditions e.g if a person was Jew/Christen for most of his life in the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), kept some sort of scriptures(tempered) at home and then become Muslim(for real or as munafiq) but after his death all the material/books found by his kids or grandchildren must be considered as "Islamic" and end up in Islamic Hadees. by the way what's your view on the validity of Quran?

I wouldn't be a Muslim or believe in Allah and his prophets if I questioned the validity of the Quran.

 

[Citizen X]

agree with you on the validity/authentication of alot of hadees books/Islamic traditions

My disagreement here is not a lot but ALL hadith are valid or authentic because none of the hadith was sanctioned by the Prophet or Allah and when Quran specifically orders you to not believe in any hadith then all man made hadith is invalid.

if a person was Jew/Christen for most of his life in the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), kept some sort of scriptures(tempered) at home and then become Muslim(for real or as munafiq) but after his death all the material/books found by his kids or grandchildren must be considered as "Islamic" and end up in Islamic Hadees.

Prime example is Abu Hurairah who only spent 2 to 3 years with the Prophet yet narrated around 5000 hadith ( more than any one else) Yet the prophet's closet companion and later relative, the one who spent most of his life and time with the Prophet narrated less than 50 or something like that.

Also as more centuries past the amount of hadith also increased from the first hadith book of only 1200 hadith growing to 25,000 as the centuries passed. Information is usually lost as time passes by, not increase specially when there is no written record of it. Unless someone just makes them up.

99% of traditional Islam is based on man made hadith today rather than the Quran,

 

[Wake up Pak]

I wouldn't be a Muslim or believe in Allah and his prophets if I questioned the validity of the Quran.

Just to give you an example, the majority of Muslims pose questions to show where in the Quran the Namaz's details are found. In actuality, they are challenging Allah and accusing Him of incomplete or omitting certain information from the Quran.

 

[Citizen X]

Just to give you an example, the majority of Muslims pose questions to show where in the Quran the Namaz's details are found. In actuality, they are challenging Allah and accusing Him of incomplete or omitting certain information from the Quran.

Itni gehri sooch ya critical thinking hoti to yeh log hadithon ko maan ker aaj mushrik na hotay.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Itni gehri sooch ya critical thinking hoti to yeh log hadithon ko maan ker aaj mushrik na hotay.

Allah says, his Book is easy to understand, is complete, and it explains itself.
Do we need any twisted, contradictory Ahadith?
Can any Muslim accept such a hadith? The Mushriks follow this filth blindly.

Around 140 Al-Hijra, the tomb of the Prophet (S) needed repairs. Builders asked Imam Jafar Sadiq whether it was right to climb the roof. The Imam responded, "Maybe you will find him engaged in sex with one of his wives."
(Usool-e-Kafi, Imam Kaleeni, Kitabil Hujjat 1:452)

 

[Wake up Pak]

by the way what's your view on the validity of Quran?

"Say, Bring you then ten chapters like unto it, and call whomsoever you can, other than God, if you speak the truth!" (11:13) "Or do they say he has fabricated it? Say bring then a chapter like unto it, and call upon whom you can besides God, if you speak truly!" (10:38)
(4:82) Do they not ponder about the Qur'an? Had it been from any other than Allah, they would surely have found in it much inconsistency.