Religeous thread creators please respond.

[cefspan]

Please , stop abusing other people , Please stop abusing those who r long dead like Dr Israr Ahmed.

I know , what u can maximum do is to use really rude words for me , But it wont hurt me , Marae gunah hi kaam hoon gae.

 

[Pakistani1947]

Do not wrongly accuse (بہتان) anybody

Cefspan, Please leave me alone... Go join your gang.... other salfi's are waiting for you. PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE.

monson4u, none of us (cefspan and myself) claimed to be Salfi then why are you Labeling us with this name? Are you following your imam's saying where he says wrongly accuse ([FONT=&quot]بہتان[/FONT]) your opponents? Ref: (click link ahead to see your Imam Saying) ShiaChat.com

Read below what Quraan and Hadeeth say about this issue:

[FONT=&quot]وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ بِغَيْرِ مَا اكْتَسَبُوا فَقَدِ احْتَمَلُوا بُهْتَانًا وَإِثْمًا مُّبِينًا[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]Quraan 33:58 And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]اور جو ایمان دار مردوں اور عورتوں کو ناکردہ گناہوں پر ستاتے ہیں سو وہ اپنے سر بہتان اور صریح گناہ لیتے ہیں[/FONT]​

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Avoid suspicion, for suspicion is the greatest of lies in talk and do not be inquisitive ( کھوجي) about one another and do not spy upon one another and do not feel envy of one another, and nurse no malice (بداندیشی), and nurse no aversion (اکراہ) and hostility against one another. And be fellow-brothers and servants of Allah.” (Sahih Muslim, No: 2563)

 

[cefspan]

Re: Do not wrongly accuse (بہتان) anybody

monson4u, none of us (cefspan and myself) claimed to be Salfi then why are you Labeling us with this name? Are you following your imam's saying where he says wrongly accuse ([FONT=&quot]بہتان[/FONT]) your opponents?

Read below what Quraan and Hadeeth say about this issue:

[FONT=&quot]وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ بِغَيْرِ مَا اكْتَسَبُوا فَقَدِ احْتَمَلُوا بُهْتَانًا وَإِثْمًا مُّبِينًا[/FONT]​

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[FONT=&quot]Quraan 33:58 And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]اور جو ایمان دار مردوں اور عورتوں کو ناکردہ گناہوں پر ستاتے ہیں سو وہ اپنے سر بہتان اور صریح گناہ لیتے ہیں[/FONT]​

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Avoid suspicion, for suspicion is the greatest of lies in talk and do not be inquisitive about one another and do not spy upon one another and do not feel envy of one another, and nurse no malice, and nurse no aversion and hostility against one another. And be fellow-brothers and servants of Allah.” (Sahih Muslim, No: 2563)

Definately moslon4u , u r not following Quran e Hakeem regarding buhtaans on other Muslims (as u did in case of dr Israr)

 

[sohails]

We are :alhamd: Muslims, regardless what sect people belongs to.

یہ ہم پاکستانیوں کی بد قسمتی ہے کہ ہم لوگ پہلے ہی بیشمار خانوں میں بٹے ہوے ہیں، اور یہ ایک اور المیہ ہو گا کہ ہم علانان کہیں کہ ہم فقہ کے لحاظ سے کس درجے کے مسلمان ہیں.
شعور کی کمی ہے، سمجھنے پہ توجہ نہیں دیتے کیونکہ وقت نہیں ہے اور صرف مولوی حضرات پر ہی اقتفہ کار لیتے ہیں تو انجام قادری والا ہوتا ہے، جسے آج تک ہم سلجھا نہی پاۓ کہ سہی تھا یا غلط.

 

[Pakistani1947]

Say Yazid was Lanti, if you are a true muslim.
Say ***** on anyone who says anything bad about Ahlaybaat.

If you do then you are a muslim otherwise you are salfi or Dhaira.

Cursing others may be Shia's religion but definitely not the teaching of Islam.

None of us (cefspan and myself) claimed to be Salfi then why are you Labeling us with this name? Are you following your imam's saying where he says wrongly accuse ([FONT=&quot]بہتان[/FONT]) your opponents? Ref: (click link ahead to see your Imam Saying) ShiaChat.com

 

[Faiza]

@ pakistani1947, molson4u, and cefspan

Please brothers if you can not stand then at least ignore each other



نفرت کے بیج سے نفرت کا پودا ہی پنپتا ہے... اگر محبت، بھاہی چارہ، برداشت، ممکن نہی تو کم سے کم الله کے واسطے کی ایک دوسرے کو نظر انداز کر دیں

 

[Pakistani1947]

@ pakistani1947, molson4u, and cefspan
Please brothers if you can not stand then at least ignore each other…
نفرت کے بیج سے نفرت کا پودا ہی پنپتا ہے... اگر محبت، بھاہی چارہ، برداشت، ممکن نہی تو کم سے کم الله کے واسطے کی ایک دوسرے کو نظر انداز کر دیں

Dear Faiza Sister,

Assalam-o-Alaikum,

I do not have hate for any of my Muslim Brother regardless of what sect they belong. I understand my Muslim brother are not directly responsible for having wrong Islamic believes. They are just protecting their father's and for-father's religion. They are still better than those who Muslims do not care about their religion. My Muslim brother's participation on this Islamic forum show that they are sincere to their religion. The problem is that they are happy with what they have and do not want to investigate the truth.

Sometime you need to shake somebody from deep sleep. In doing so you might have to pinch somebody.

For example: According to Shia's very respectable Imam (For this Imam Shia use

which we use for Prophets):

Imam Al-sajjad (AS) said: If you see people of suspicion and innovation – other than shias or new shia – then show disownment from them and abuse them much, backbit them, make false accusations on them – that is, backbite them by attributing lies on them and make false accusations on them ('Buhtaan')[tanbiah al-khawatir v.2 p.162 – wasael al-shia v.11 p. 508 – Nahj al-intisaar p.152]

Now you need to tell them that their Imam's saying is against Quraan and Sunnah. Hence I quoted Quraan and hadith as follows:

Read below what Quraan and Hadeeth say about this issue:

[FONT=&quot]وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ بِغَيْرِ مَا اكْتَسَبُوا فَقَدِ احْتَمَلُوا بُهْتَانًا وَإِثْمًا مُّبِينًا[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]Quraan 33:58 And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]اور جو ایمان دار مردوں اور عورتوں کو ناکردہ گناہوں پر ستاتے ہیں سو وہ اپنے سر بہتان اور صریح گناہ لیتے ہیں[/FONT]​

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Avoid suspicion, for suspicion is the greatest of lies in talk and do not be inquisitive ( کھوجي) about one another and do not spy upon one another and do not feel envy of one another, and nurse no malice (بداندیشی), and nurse no aversion (اکراہ) and hostility against one another. And be fellow-brothers and servants of Allah.” (Sahih Muslim, No: 2563)

I have no negative intention to project this issue. I just want to give them a jolt (جھٹکا) so that they start searching themselves for the truth. They will start thinking how their Imam can say something against Quraan and hadeeth. Not only this there is no religion on this planet earth where you get "Sawab" (reward) for wrongly accusing ([FONT=&quot]بہتان[/FONT]) somebody even that person belong to your enemy.

Furthermore, I never say that I am perfect. I am a human and can make a mistake. Since I am follower of Quraan and Hadith and does not a follower any Peer. Hence if somebody present me an authentic Hadith I will Insha-Allah surrender. So do not follow me just Follow the source, that is, Quraan and Hadith pbuh..

And they will Insha-Allah find the truth themselves. (Aameen)

 

[Faiza]

Dear Faiza Sister,

Assalam-o-Alaikum,

I do not have hate for any of my Muslim Brother regardless of what sect they belong. I understand my Muslim brother are not directly responsible for having wrong Islamic believes. They are just protecting their father's and for-father's religion. They are still better than those who Muslims do not care about their religion. My Muslim brother's participation on this Islamic forum show that they are sincere to their religion. The problem is that they are happy with what they have and do not want to investigate the truth.

Sometime you need to shake somebody from deep sleep. In doing so you might have to pinch somebody.

For example: According to Shia's very respectable Imam (For this Imam Shia use

which we use for Prophets):

Imam Al-sajjad (AS) said: If you see people of suspicion and innovation other than shias or new shia then show disownment from them and abuse them much, backbit them, make false accusations on them that is, backbite them by attributing lies on them and make false accusations on them ('Buhtaan')[tanbiah al-khawatir v.2 p.162 wasael al-shia v.11 p. 508 Nahj al-intisaar p.152]

Now you need to tell them that their Imam's saying is against Quraan and Sunnah. Hence I quoted Quraan and hadith as follows:

Read below what Quraan and Hadeeth say about this issue:

[FONT=&quot]وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ بِغَيْرِ مَا اكْتَسَبُوا فَقَدِ احْتَمَلُوا بُهْتَانًا وَإِثْمًا مُّبِينًا[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]Quraan 33:58 And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]اور جو ایمان دار مردوں اور عورتوں کو ناکردہ گناہوں پر ستاتے ہیں سو وہ اپنے سر بہتان اور صریح گناہ لیتے ہیں[/FONT]​

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: Avoid suspicion, for suspicion is the greatest of lies in talk and do not be inquisitive ( کھوجي) about one another and do not spy upon one another and do not feel envy of one another, and nurse no malice (بداندیشی), and nurse no aversion (اکراہ) and hostility against one another. And be fellow-brothers and servants of Allah. (Sahih Muslim, No: 2563)

I have no negative intention to project this issue. I just want to give them a jolt (جھٹکا) so that they start searching themselves for the truth. They will start thinking how their Imam can say something against Quraan and hadeeth. Not only this there is no religion on this planet earth where you get "Sawab" (reward) for wrongly accusing ([FONT=&quot]بہتان[/FONT]) somebody even that person belong to your enemy.

Furthermore, I never say that I am perfect. I am a human and can make a mistake. Since I am follower of Quraan and Hadith and does not a follower any Peer. Hence if somebody present me an authentic Hadith I will Insha-Allah surrender. So do not follow me just Follow the source, that is, Quraan and Hadith pbuh..

And they will Insha-Allah find the truth themselves. (Aameen)

Walakum Assalam

Brother pakistani1947, I understand your intention are good, but please use the easy way to describe others your point of view and if they are not agree with you then its ok only Allah have a power to change some one. if you really concern for any one then describe them and pray for them


Knowledge is blessing not a weapon, so we can use against some one

I am really sorry if you or some one is offend with my interference


اے الله ! بے شک میں آپ سے مانگتا ہوں نفع دینے والا علم ، پاکیزہ رزق اور قبولیت والا عمل

 

[Kurwaa Such]

Assalam-u-Alaikum
Abbasi Bhai,
I appreciate the efforts of each and every members of the team in keeping order on the forum.
Unfortunately the sectarian minded members created such chaos on the forum that people were scared to make a comments on any thread or posts.
We claim that we are Muslims, but we are quick to label the peoples (Non-Muslim & Kaffir) whose believes do not agree with your understanding of the dean.
My prayers and well wishes are with you all.
I hope this scenario works.
We need unity in Muslim Ummah not division.
May Allah Guide us all.

Asslam o alaikum
I would say that we should not touch anyone's beliefs and should not let anyone to touch our beliefs. That is one main thing. Being a Muslim, we should have harmony what our religion demands from us.
Rather we should have healthy discussions which does not offend anyone and that should be to learn more about basics of our religion. We should refrain to call others kaffirs or any other bad words.
May ALLAH TAALA give us taufeeq and durguzer.
To me all the threads should be for sharing knowledge rather than humiliating other's beliefs which may be better than ours.
This whole thing started by some ignorant people who don't care about others.
I did not want to join this forum although I am using this for long time and get a lot from it. One day I could not digest someone's remarks, which made me to become a member. I become frustrated sometimes due to bad remarks from some members and I think that what type of Muslims are we? What are we showing to non Muslims about our religion who attend this forum as well.
Please, please, please be sensible while commenting on any posting.
I hope that I have not offended any body.
JazakumALLAHkhair.

 

[babadeena]

I recommand Babadeena, Pakistani1947 to lead the wahabi salfi section and Muslims should be forbidden to go there....lol

@Molson4u,

If Quoting only from Quran gets me the title of Wahabi/Slafi or whatever,
most welcome. Quran is mine passion and I will not mind what you label me,
but I ensure you one thing that Quotation from Quran will always be there
where it merits!!!!

 

[abbasiali]

Admin please create an IGNORE button...or Please save me form them. See how Salfi's are runing behind me because I have shown their true face to the public.

Say Yazid was Lanti, if you are a true muslim.
Say ***** on anyone who says anything bad about Ahlaybaat.

If you do then you are a muslim otherwise you are salfi or Dhaira.

Please help your self to choose any title for us,

Let me know have you come forward with your believes, if not then please do so, because soon, this kind of thread will not be appearing in this page, if you don't want to create your own section then join whom ever you like, then it will section owner's discretion to keep you and allow you to talk,

 

[babadeena]

Abbasi Bhai:

will all the titled thread visible to every reader; like this page. so that all can at least
read what is being discussed or otherwise: thanks.

 

[molson4u]

Dear Abbasali Bhai,

i beg to differ from you. When did I give any title to you or your time. You said help yourself to pick a title for us...I never disrespected you.

SEcondly and most Importantly, Pakistani1947 has been quoting false propaganda hadith about Imam Zan ul Abideen. He is the greatgrandson of the Prophet and Ahylabaat-e-rasool. He was the one who was imprisoned in Karbala and taken to Iraq and Syria with daughters of the prophet's family. This Moron doesn't know that It was Imam Zan ul Abideen who gave speeches that brought revolution against Yazid and It was him who saved Islam.

Yazid is their leader and they are Salfis'. They love Abu Sufyan, Maweya and Yazid. We love Mohammad, Ali and Hussain. If someone praises Yazid and speak against ahlaybaat which Quran states to be purified, its scum in my view. I let my Allah Judge them.

If those post are not immedicately deleted, i will post all Hadith from Muslim and Bokhari show the true faces of some of the mightest people that they worship with evidence and another sec war will start.
You can't allow him to Quote false reference about Ahylabaat.

 

[QaiserMirza]

Dear Abbasali Bhai,

i beg to differ from you. When did I give any title to you or your time. You said help yourself to pick a title for us...I never disrespected you.

SEcondly and most Importantly, Pakistani1947 has been quoting false propaganda hadith about Imam Zan ul Abideen. He is the greatgrandson of the Prophet and Ahylabaat-e-rasool. He was the one who was imprisoned in Karbala and taken to Iraq and Syria with daughters of the prophet's family. This Moron doesn't know that It was Imam Zan ul Abideen who gave speeches that brought revolution against Yazid and It was him who saved Islam.

Yazid is their leader and they are Salfis'. They love Abu Sufyan, Maweya and Yazid. We love Mohammad, Ali and Hussain. If someone praises Yazid and speak against ahlaybaat which Quran states to be purified, its scum in my view. I let my Allah Judge them.

If those post are not immedicately deleted, i will post all Hadith from Muslim and Bokhari show the true faces of some of the mightest people that they worship with evidence and another sec war will start.
You can't allow him to Quote false reference about Ahylabaat.

No any Muslim can speak against any of the Sahabas or Umahat Al-Mo'mineen.
Who ever have a tiny grudge in his heart about them is NOT a Muslim. (This is not my fatwa)

 

[cefspan]

@Molson4u,

If Quoting only from Quran gets me the title of Wahabi/Slafi or whatever,
most welcome. Quran is mine passion and I will not mind what you label me,
but I ensure you one thing that Quotation from Quran will always be there
where it merits!!!!

Dear Madam Faiza !
The problem is simple , Moslon4u posts rash comments regarding others , without a proof . Apnae giraebaan maen jhaank kae pehlea dekhean laen wo . Calling me salfi again and again , what does he want to proof . ?

I have and discussed Jang e jamal and status of yazid with my teachers , My Grand pa told me that when he was young , in 5th grade he was taught by a shia teacher , the teacher used to say
Kae Allah nae tum say ye nahi poochna kae jang e jamal maen kis ka kasoor thae ya yazeed b bura thae kae acha . Tumharea apnae aemal kae baarae maen poochna hae ,

I have a question , leave yazid topic a side ,After Shahadats at karbala , there should have been and outburst by koofians , why was not so?
Why didnot Koofians help Nafs Zakia in his kharoj?


As for u , U want a head on collision on a thread , just start it and I am all urs..................................................

because at least i will be able to show someone his own mistakes.

 

[cefspan]

Dear Abbasali Bhai,

i beg to differ from you. When did I give any title to you or your time. You said help yourself to pick a title for us...I never disrespected you.

SEcondly and most Importantly, Pakistani1947 has been quoting false propaganda hadith about Imam Zan ul Abideen. He is the greatgrandson of the Prophet and Ahylabaat-e-rasool. He was the one who was imprisoned in Karbala and taken to Iraq and Syria with daughters of the prophet's family. This Moron doesn't know that It was Imam Zan ul Abideen who gave speeches that brought revolution against Yazid and It was him who saved Islam.

Yazid is their leader and they are Salfis'. They love Abu Sufyan, Maweya and Yazid. We love Mohammad, Ali and Hussain. If someone praises Yazid and speak against ahlaybaat which Quran states to be purified, its scum in my view. I let my Allah Judge them.

If those post are not immedicately deleted, i will post all Hadith from Muslim and Bokhari show the true faces of some of the mightest people that they worship with evidence and another sec war will start.
You can't allow him to Quote false reference about Ahylabaat.

Says who , Nafs Zakia pae search kro .
and second of all ,
What do u think regarding other Sahabas especially 1ST THREE caliphs and UMulmomeenin Hazrat Ayesha r.a?

 

[molson4u]

I believe those first three Khalifa were Sahaba of prophet Muhammad and should be respected. As far as Ummul Momineen was a great lady of Islam. Now coming to You non sense questions... Hussian Ibna Ali gave his life and life of all his children to save Islam. You read the histroy Of Ammer Mukhtar who avenge the shahadat of Imam. If Yazid is your hear brother, a drinker, fasik, fajar, womenier and courpt Khalifa...no wonder you beleive in every Khalifa.

Hussiniate Zindaabad Yazeediate Murdabaad. This is our faith as muslims accepts Salfis and Mr. Wahab Followers.

 

[Veila Mast]

@Molson4u,

If Quoting only from Quran gets me the title of Wahabi/Slafi or whatever,
most welcome. Quran is mine passion and I will not mind what you label me,
but I ensure you one thing that Quotation from Quran will always be there
where it merits!!!!

Babadeena, you are expert in religious affair!

Don't you!

Please tell us about Wahabis!

Who are them!

What are their believes!

When they came into existance!

How they came into existance!

What are their objectives!

And............

Rest of questions I shall ask later!

Now please don't ignore this request like you always do!

 

[AbdulRehman]

We are closing this thread temporarily.
Brother Abbasi will make a decision on this thread.

 

[abbasiali]

Abbasi Bhai:

will all the titled thread visible to every reader; like this page. so that all can at least
read what is being discussed or otherwise: thanks.

Brother I am so unexpected got busy, which I don't believe, hopefully now I will sit on Friday night with full concentration and Insha Allah this week end will execute this project completely.

Thanks for your patience.