PTI has absolutely no Practical Plan for Karachi

fawad ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Depoliticizing police so that they become a professional organization and take decisions professionally and not politically. Secondly, devolution of power through local government. These are the best things that could happen to karachi and this is the plan of PTI.
 

raamishasadraza_coolboy

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
O chup ker Ooye.....

Kaali mai( Taafu) k pass kon sa plan hai jo Poray city ko harap ker k baitha hai.........MQM ka janaza MQM nay khud nikala hai........

lo bhae local body elections ppp nhi kerwane deti ha, ya is mein bhi mqm ki galti ha. jab mustafa kamal tha, kaam dekha tha karachi mein. agar local body elections hojaein phr dekho karachi kasay badla tha ha
 

raamishasadraza_coolboy

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
bc mc. 30 saal se mqm ka plan dekh rahay ha. karachi aaj dubai se agay hota agar mqm na hoti. balkay shayed dubai uth hi nahi pata. mera bach pan mqm aur haqiqi ke jahgro me guzra aur larkpan anp aur mqm ke mara mari me. me nahi chahta ke meri bachay jeb me 2 mobile rakh ke phiray aur bivi fake jewelry pehne. aakhir kab tak parchia deke altaf ke kharcy uthaye hum.

hahaha mere bhae rational baat kero, dubai hota agar local body elections hote na sahab. lagta ha mustafa kamal ka daur bhool gaen hain, jab karachi mein taraqqi hoi thi, wo isliye kyunke local body elections hote thay. ab karachi mein local body elections nhi hote, ppp local body elections nhi kerwane deti, mqm minority mein ha, parliament mein kuch nhi kerpati. aap local body elections tu dekhen karachi mein, phr dekhein how karachi prospers. :p
 

raamishasadraza_coolboy

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
On the other hand the MQM has had a great plan for Karachi - Have been ruling the city for more than 2 decades and they have changed it completely. Karachi is now the Paris of Asia.

lol 5% revenue of sindh used on karachi out of the 93% that karachi makes, yeah karachi will prosper with that lol. why cant u idiots understand that without local body elections cities dont prosper. in these 2 decades when mustafa kamal was in karachi, i dont think u were born in this world then, karachi was becoming better, a lot of development was being done. Most work was done in karachi. Alas, that was due to local body elections which are not done in karachi now. the reason ppp doesnt want local body elections, and they are in majority so they are in power.thats why making karachi into a seperate province is a need of the hour. so if u want to blame any party blame ppp.
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Depoliticizing police so that they become a professional organization and take decisions professionally and not politically. Secondly, devolution of power through local government. These are the best things that could happen to karachi and this is the plan of PTI.


بصدِ ادب! آپ کی بات، آپکی نیت اچھی ہے، مگر یہ ہوائی قلعے ہیں، یہ بلی کے خواب میں چھیچھڑے ہیں۔

۔۔۔۔ یہ بتلائیں کہ "بلی کے گلے میں گھنٹی" کون باندھے گا؟ یعنی پولیس میں یہ اصطلاحات کون کرے گا؟ اختیارات (ترقیاتی و دیگر) کو نچلی سطح تک کون پہنچائے گا؟ آپ خواب دیکھ رہے ہیں مگر آپ کے پاس کوئی عملی پلان موجود نہیں۔

عارف علوی ہزار بار چوں چاں کرنے کے بعد عملی طور پر فقط یہ پلان پیش کر سکے کہ پیپلز پارٹی اور متحدہ مل کر بیٹھیں اور شہری حکومت پر مذاکرات کریں (پولیس کا دور دور تک کوئی ذکر نہیں)۔

مگر یہ تو وہی پلان ہے جس پر متحدہ پچھلے 5 سال تک عمل کرتی رہی اور پیپلز پارٹی کے ساتھ ٹکراؤ کی سیاست کرنے کی بجائے اسکے ساتھ مل کر سندھ اور کراچی کے مسائل مذاکرات کے ذریعے حل کرنے کے لیے بات کرتی رہی۔ (اور اسکے لیے پی ٹی آئی والے آج ہمیں پیپلز پارٹی کا کولیشن پارٹنر ہونے کا طعنہ دیتے ہیں)۔

مگر کیا یہ پی ٹی آئی کے منہ پر طمانچہ نہیں کہ متحدہ جو پچھلے 5 سال تک کرتی رہی، آج وہی واحد پلان عارف علوی پیش کر رہا ہے؟

آپ کو ان حقائق کا ادراک کرنا چاہیے:۔


۔1۔ پیپلز پارٹی کی نیت ہرگز ہرگز یہ نہیں ہے کہ وہ کراچی کے وسائل کو کراچی کی عوام سے کسی صورت بھی شیئر کرے۔

۔2۔ مصطفی کمال کی حکومت ختم ہونے کے بعد پیپلزپارٹی مزید اپنے بقیہ دور میں مذاکرات کے نام پر شہری حکومت کو ختم کر کے بیٹھی رہی۔ اور آخر میں متحدہ کو مکمل دھوکہ دیا اور سرے سے شہری حکومتی انتخابات نہیں کروائے۔

۔3۔ اور شہری حکومت کے نام پر جو پلان پیپلز پارٹی نے پیش کیا، وہ فقط ایک لنگڑی لولی شہری حکومت کا ہے جس میں کراچی کے وسائل کی تمام تر مالک پھر بھی سندھی حکومت ہی ہو گی۔


چنانچہ حقیقت یہ ہے کہ عملی طور پر پی ٹی آئی کے پاس کراچی کے لیے کوئی پلان اور وژن موجود نہیں ہے۔

پی ٹی آئی والے فقط "بلی کے خواب مین چھچھڑے" کی مانند بڑی بڑی باتیں کرتے ہیں، مگر عملی طور پر ابتک وہ نہ کراچی کی پولیس کو چھو سکے ہیں اور نہ شہری حکومت کو ۔

اور اس سے بھی مزید ظالم حقیقت یہ ہے کہ عمران خان مفادات پرست انسان ہے۔ اپنے مفاد کی خاطر وہ اہل کراچی کو قربانی کی بھینٹ چڑھا دے گا۔ عمران خان کو ہر صورت اندرون سندھ مقبول ہونا ہے، چنانچہ یہ ممکن ہی نہیں کہ وہ اہل کراچی کے حقوق کے لیے کوئی 1 آواز بھی نکالے۔ الٹا وہ اس احتجاجی تحریک کی مخالفت کرتا رہے گا جو کہ اہل کراچی اپنے حقوق کے لیے چلا رہے ہیں۔ (بالکل اسی طرح جس طرح اپنے مفادات کی خاطر عمران خان طالبان کی سال ہا سال تک حفاظت کرتا رہا اور انکے خلاف آپریشن کی مخالفت کرتا رہا)۔

 

raamishasadraza_coolboy

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
So you wanna debate? fine lets have it. What problems do you see in Dr. Alvi's plan and how is your plan (if there is any) better than PTI's plan?

the problems in dr alvi's plan is that he thinks punjab and kpk should be made into smaller provinces, but sindh should be left alone. what is the logic in that. pti's manifesto is devolution of power and making of smaller provinces to improve administration.i just cant get some pti followers( although im a pti fan as well) that they dont condemn what their leaders did wrong, atleast condemn what arif alvi has done. he is saying to the karachi ppl that kpk and punjab will be made into smaller provinces but will remain part of sindh forever. where is he following pti's manifesto here. many of the pti followers are saying that dont pay heed to what he's saying, he doesnt speak for the party. but here u r backing arif alvi. even now in his latest interview he didnt apologize and said the same thing again. mark my words what he has said will do damage to pti in karachi. ppl of karachi will not vote if arif alvi doesnt take back this claim.
 

Unlettered

Senator (1k+ posts)
the problems in dr alvi's plan is that he thinks punjab and kpk should be made into smaller provinces, but sindh should be left alone. what is the logic in that. pti's manifesto is devolution of power and making of smaller provinces to improve administration.i just cant get some pti followers( although im a pti fan as well) that they dont condemn what their leaders did wrong, atleast condemn what arif alvi has done. he is saying to the karachi ppl that kpk and punjab will be made into smaller provinces but will remain part of sindh forever. where is he following pti's manifesto here. many of the pti followers are saying that dont pay heed to what he's saying, he doesnt speak for the party. but here u r backing arif alvi. even now in his latest interview he didnt apologize and said the same thing again. mark my words what he has said will do damage to pti in karachi. ppl of karachi will not vote if arif alvi doesnt take back this claim.

I assume you're saying that Dr. Alvi is suggesting the devolution in other provinces but not in Sindh? when did THAT happened? any sources? and BTW people of Karachi will and should vote as per their will, its not wise to claim yourself as the 'voice for the people of Karachi'.
 

raamishasadraza_coolboy

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
I assume you're saying that Dr. Alvi is suggesting the devolution in other provinces but not in Sindh? when did THAT happened? any sources? and BTW people of Karachi will and should vote as per their will, its not wise to claim yourself as the 'voice for the people of Karachi'.

yes he did, dont u watch the news?? arif alvi together with laghari said that administrative units should be made in other provinces like punjab and kpk but not in sindh, thats his own words. he says i believe in devolution of power and he said that administrative units already exist in sindh and that there is no need for any more administrative units to be made. :p :D like what is this, there are administrative units in punjab and kpk as well, then why do u say that new administrative units need to be built there, but not in sindh. thats just utter disgrace to the ppl of karachi, why dont they deserve new administrative units but punjab and kpk do when they are required so much. and i am not claiming myself as the voice of karachi so maybe u guys should also not claim yourselves as the voice of karachi as many of u r doing on this forum and claim that karachi ppl dont want sindh to be made into seperate administrative units.

Sources:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/764732/...-mqm-stages-walkout-at-pti-leaders-statement/
http://www.jaagtv.com/pakistan-1.html
 
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پاکستان کے نئے صوبے بننے چاہئیں لیکن سندھ کی تقسیم نہیں ہونی چاہئیے

کیا منافقانہ پالیسی ہے؟

لکھ دی لعنت تے در فٹے منہ - ایسے منافق انقلاب پر



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Unlettered

Senator (1k+ posts)
yes he did, dont u watch the news?? arif alvi together with laghari said that administrative units should be made in other provinces like punjab and kpk but not in sindh, thats his own words. he says i believe in devolution of power but not in administrative units to be build in sindh but in other provinces. he said that administrative units already exist in sindh and that there is no need for any more administrative units to be made. :p :D and i am not claiming myself as the voice of karachi so maybe u guys should also not claim yourselves as the voice of karachi as many of u r doing on this forum and claim that karachi ppl dont want sindh dont want to be made into seperate administrative units.

Sources:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/764732/...-mqm-stages-walkout-at-pti-leaders-statement/
http://www.jaagtv.com/pakistan-1.html

Did you even care to read the links you've provided? never mind! As for Laghari's statement we already have a long thread on this very forum: http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?289290-PTI-leader-condemns-talk-of-dividing-Sindh and as far as Dr. Alvi is concerned here is what the same article of tribune says "Rizvi said that while Leghari was opposed to administrative units in Sindh, PTI MNA Arif Alvi was in support of such a move.
“MQM has never demanded division of Sindh nor does it want the province to be divided"
 

raamishasadraza_coolboy

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Did you even care to read the links you've provided? never mind! As for Laghari's statement we already have a long thread on this very forum: http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?289290-PTI-leader-condemns-talk-of-dividing-Sindh and as far as Dr. Alvi is concerned here is what the same article of tribune says "Rizvi said that while Leghari was opposed to administrative units in Sindh, PTI MNA Arif Alvi was in support of such a move.
“MQM has never demanded division of Sindh nor does it want the province to be divided"

hhahha yeah i guess u r raising the point that Rizvi said that while Leghari was opposed to administrative units in Sindh, PTI MNA Arif Alvi was in support of such a move. isnt laghari part of pti?? this i think the author made a mistake, or a typing error occured, because i saw his interview and arif alvi didnt say that. he said he believed in devolution of powers and making of administrative units, but he didnt try to correct his earlier statement. :p i also gave u a link of jaag tv tht shows that arif alvi opposes new administrative units in sindh. i gave u 2 sources so that u wud get additional information but i guess u got the wrong idea anyway. and lastly u quoted that mqm has never demanded division of sindh nor does it want the province to be divided, do u even know what mqm means by this. if u wud have read the whole article u wud have understood. it means that mqm wants administrative units to be built in sindh, which arif alvi denied. he later said that sindh already had administrative units and didnt need any but punjab and kpk needs them. that is one important statement he said which sadly i dont have a link for so u r going to have to search that yourself. its unfortunate that u didnt see his first statement otherwise u wud understand wht i am trying to say. the forum link u posted shows that ppl even ptians dont like the statement that arif alvi has put out, and that its harming pti's manifesto. arif alvi has said the wrong thing, believe me on that brother.
 

Unlettered

Senator (1k+ posts)
hhahha yeah i guess u r raising the point that Rizvi said that while Leghari was opposed to administrative units in Sindh, PTI MNA Arif Alvi was in support of such a move. isnt laghari part of pti?? this i think the author made a mistake, or a typing error occured, because i saw his interview and arif alvi didnt say that. he said he believed in devolution of powers and making of administrative units, but he didnt try to correct his earlier statement. :p i also gave u a link of jaag tv tht shows that arif alvi opposes new administrative units in sindh. i gave u 2 sources so that u wud get additional information but i guess u got the wrong idea anyway. and lastly u quoted that mqm has never demanded division of sindh nor does it want the province to be divided, do u even know what mqm means by this. if u wud have read the whole article u wud have understood. it means that mqm wants administrative units to be built in sindh, which arif alvi denied. he later said that sindh already had administrative units and didnt need any but punjab and kpk needs them. that is one important statement he said which sadly i dont have a link for so u r going to have to search that yourself. its unfortunate that u didnt see his first statement otherwise u wud understand wht i am trying to say. the forum link u posted shows that ppl even ptians dont like the statement that arif alvi has put out, and that its harming pti's manifesto. arif alvi has said the wrong thing, believe me on that brother.

First and foremost, the statement we're discussing here is not Laghari's but Alvi's, however, before trolling at least read my posts regarding Laghari's statement. Secondly, the debate was about the devolution plan suggested by Alvi that says you can have devolution everywhere in Pakistan except Sindh, not about the administrative units already being present in Karachi so the second link was useless. I never said MQM demanded or opposed the division of Sindh, I just quote the text of 'your's suggested source'. We can continue the discussion if you can get me a video of Alvi demanding what you're claiming, till then have a chill pill!
 

PkRevolution

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: MQM's dream of new province will never come true: PTI repeatedly using Sindh card to make its Jalsa in Karachi successfull

Or jab hum Pakistan bna sakte hen to Insha Allah Muhajir suba bhi bna sakte hen.

مہاجر صوبہ کبھی نہیں بنے گا۔ اگر یہ بن گیا تو پوری دنیا میں ایزائیلم کے نام سے صوبے بنانے پڑھ جائیں گے۔

ایم کیو ایم کا ان باکردار مہاجرین سے کوئی تعلق نہیں جو قیام پاکستان کی جدوجہد میں شریک تھے، وہ مائیں بہنیں اور بزرگ جنہوں نے قربانیاں دیں۔ قائد اعظم محمد علی جناح نے پاکستان بنایا، لاکھوں کروڑوں عوام جدوجہد میں شامل تھے۔

ایم کیو ایم نے باعزت مہاجرین کے نام کو اپنے مکروہ مقاصد کے لئے استعمال کیا۔ آج پاکستان لفظ مہاجر سنتا ہے تو اسے گولی کہ آوازیں سنائی دینے لگتی ہیں اس میں صرف اور صرف الطاف حسین نامراد کا قصور ہے۔

میرے اپنے پڑوسی میاجر فیملی تھی، گھر آنا جانا تھا۔ کبھی زہن میں نہیں آیا کہ یہ لوگ پاکستانی نہیں۔ پیار محبت اور خلوص کے ساتھ رہتے تھے۔ الطاف حسین نے مہاجر کا نعرہ لگا کر سارا سکون برباد کر دیا۔ کچھ حاصل نہیں کیا صرف لندن میں بنگلے بنائے گئے۔

اللہ سے دعا ہے کہ اس مہاجر نعرہ کا تعصب چھوڑ کر آپ لوگ پاکستانی بن جائیں۔

 

alisajid

Senator (1k+ posts)
lo bhae local body elections ppp nhi kerwane deti ha, ya is mein bhi mqm ki galti ha. jab mustafa kamal tha, kaam dekha tha karachi mein. agar local body elections hojaein phr dekho karachi kasay badla tha ha

Mustafa kama l nay jo kiya woh kaam 1980 mai ho jany chahiye thay..........Koi Apni jaib say paisay nhi lagaye us nay.

MQM karachi mai schools college universities, factories, companies, hospitals ka jaal icha sakti thee in last 10 -12 years. but is ko JA Altaaf kahnay walay londay laparay he chahiye........they dont have any vision at all.

I voted for MQM in 2008, casted vote 4 times in one day, but whats the result? nothing...wohi ghunda gardi, violance a culture.......bus ho gaya, jitna khoon MQM nay urdu speaking ka bahaya hai, utna tu collectively Nawaz, PPP nay mil ker hi bahaya....
 

raamishasadraza_coolboy

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Mustafa kama l nay jo kiya woh kaam 1980 mai ho jany chahiye thay..........Koi Apni jaib say paisay nhi lagaye us nay.

MQM karachi mai schools college universities, factories, companies, hospitals ka jaal icha sakti thee in last 10 -12 years. but is ko JA Altaaf kahnay walay londay laparay he chahiye........they dont have any vision at all.

I voted for MQM in 2008, casted vote 4 times in one day, but whats the result? nothing...wohi ghunda gardi, violance a culture.......bus ho gaya, jitna khoon MQM nay urdu speaking ka bahaya hai, utna tu collectively Nawaz, PPP nay mil ker hi bahaya....

yar mustafa kamal nai kaam kya ha karachi kailiye, funds ki baat nhi horhi, kaam kerane ki baat ha, funds miley tu kaam keraya na, ab saarey funds ppp khajati hae, 5% jarha ha karachi ko. kaam kasehoga. bhae aik hi tareeqa ha administrative units,usse indpendant funds hotey hain aur phr kaam hota ae. local body elections jab tak nhi honge kaam nhi hoga, itni akal tu hone chaeye na aap ko. khair baat sahi ha mqm nai khoon kharab kya ha, saza tu milni chaeye aise kartoot ki, lekin ye hargiz na kahein kai mqm nai kaam nhi kya karachi kai liye.
 

Sniper

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Supreme Court kay mutabiq tou Karachi main ANP, PPP or aap ki jaan MQM terrorism main involve hain.
 

alisajid

Senator (1k+ posts)
yar mustafa kamal nai kaam kya ha karachi kailiye, funds ki baat nhi horhi, kaam kerane ki baat ha, funds miley tu kaam keraya na, ab saarey funds ppp khajati hae, 5% jarha ha karachi ko. kaam kasehoga. bhae aik hi tareeqa ha administrative units,usse indpendant funds hotey hain aur phr kaam hota ae. local body elections jab tak nhi honge kaam nhi hoga, itni akal tu hone chaeye na aap ko. khair baat sahi ha mqm nai khoon kharab kya ha, saza tu milni chaeye aise kartoot ki, lekin ye hargiz na kahein kai mqm nai kaam nhi kya karachi kai liye.

Sorry but MQM ka janaza nikl gaya......Shuker

One thing MQM nay kch bhe nhi kiya....agar kerti tu Mujh jaisa die hard supporter galiyaan na de rha hota
 

raamishasadraza_coolboy

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Sorry but MQM ka janaza nikl gaya......Shuker

One thing MQM nay kch bhe nhi kiya....agar kerti tu Mujh jaisa die hard supporter galiyaan na de rha hota
yar mustafa kamal kai time per kaam hoa, ab nhi horha mein manta hun, lekin local body elections nhi tu ho bhi hi sakta, bas dua kero mqm ae ya pti ae local body elections hojaen aur administrative divisions banein
 

alisajid

Senator (1k+ posts)
yar mustafa kamal kai time per kaam hoa, ab nhi horha mein manta hun, lekin local body elections nhi tu ho bhi hi sakta, bas dua kero mqm ae ya pti ae local body elections hojaen aur administrative divisions banein

I wish Ab MQM kabhi na aaye....mai apna vote jala doonga lakin MQM ko nhi donga...
 

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