Propaganda against Army, ISI is Treason: Pakistan Economy Watch (PEW)

[mohib]

Dr. Murtaza Mughal, Pakistan Economy Watch (PEW)

President PEW Dr. Murtaza Mughal, Pakistan Economy Watch (PEW) on Monday said that country is passing through a critical stage and propaganda against armed forces and ISI at this critical juncture amounts to treason. According to press release issued here on Monday, Dr. Murtaza Mughal, President PEW said that we reject deadly propaganda against armed forces and ISI which is a conspiracy to brainwash common people to create a rift between masses and the national security institutions. Every Pakistani condemns the unholy moves to discredit the guardians of ideological and geographical borders, he said while speaking at Bedari Fikr Forum.

All patriotic Pakistanis should give a strong message that whole nation stands by army; he said adding that adversaries are cultivating doubts aimed at weakening the country. Dr. Murtaza Mughal called upon the masses not to succumb to the propaganda and reject the scenario painted by international media, think tanks, research institutes, intellectuals and paid studies that have no worth, he said.

In 1947 and 50s, many politicians and intellectuals had described Pakistan as an economically, geographically, politically, and culturally unviable state ; they are all dead now but the country is still on the map, he said. He said that a dozen countries have initiated their proxy wars in Pakistan therefore we should support institutions that are fighting for our survival. Armed forces and ISI commits mistakes, sometimes very serious, but these issues should not be used to demoralize them as it will hurt supreme national interests. They can be hold accountable once situation returns to calm. Giving examples of many recent incidents he said that all seems to be part of a conspiracy to defame national institutions of vital importance. Spy agencies of enemy nations have been engaged since long in violent subversive activities to create social and political unrest in Pakistan but they have achieved nothing. No doubt that country is passing through difficult times but the adverse propaganda against Pakistans Army and wrong conclusions about Pakistans future that is creating frustration and low morale must come to a halt, he said.

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=htt...anda-against-army-isi-is-treason.html&h=4ea0e

 

[M Ali Khan]

Great! Another fauj-parast!

Another fool accusing the ones who have VALID questions and have legitimate demands of accountability for the ones sitting in GHQ and Aabpara as being 'traitors'!

The only ones demoralising the forces in Pakistan are the ones sitting in GHQ and Aabpara!

 

[king1982]

he is not a fool he is a patriot

 

[M Ali Khan]

he is not a fool he is a patriot

"Patriotism ... for rulers is nothing else than a tool for achieving their power-hungry and money-hungry goals, and for the ruled it means renouncing their human dignity, reason, conscience, and slavish submission to those in power. ... Patriotism is slavery." ~ Leo Tolstoy.

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervour, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." ~ Unknown.

 

[abbasiali]

Talking for Justice, Equality and accountability is treason........biggest "JOKE"

Supreme court took Sou Moto notice and removed IG Police & DG Rangers within 3 days,

What happened to May 02nd and PNS Mehran case, any Armed Forces official got sacked? and demand for investigation is counted as "TREASON" this is double standard or Hypocrisy.

 

[omerkashmiri]

Country is passing through critical stage due to the mess created by the army itself, they must clean their act before asking others to respect them. Respect is something that needs to be earned , its not their birth right.

 

[rana14801]

Talking for Justice, Equality and accountability is treason........biggest "JOKE"

Supreme court took Sou Moto notice and removed IG Police & DG Rangers within 3 days,

What happened to May 02nd and PNS Mehran case, any Armed Forces official got sacked? and demand for investigation is counted as "TREASON" this is double standard or Hypocrisy.

has SC ever asked any judge of lower courts to be removed on a wrong judgment?

 

[Pak Zindabad]

Un_Biased observers all around the world are saying the same thing that " U.S/NATO can not attack Pakistan directly so they are breaking Pakistan internally Turning People against Army and ISI "...........And unfortunately lots of people in Pakistan intentionally or Un-intentionally are helping this U.S Plan....So please wake up and support our army before it is too late..............

 

[desicad]

"Patriotism ... for rulers is nothing else than a tool for achieving their power-hungry and money-hungry goals, and for the ruled it means renouncing their human dignity, reason, conscience, and slavish submission to those in power. ... Patriotism is slavery." ~ Leo Tolstoy.

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervour, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." ~ Unknown.

These words do make lot of sense.....just saying in general and have no intention of relating to current situation in pakistan.

 

[gazoomartian]

Dr. Murtaza Mughal, Pakistan Economy Watch (PEW)

President PEW Dr. Murtaza Mughal, Pakistan Economy Watch (PEW) on Monday said that country is passing through a critical stage and propaganda against armed forces and ISI at this critical juncture amounts to treason. According to press release issued here on Monday, Dr. Murtaza Mughal, President PEW said that we reject deadly propaganda against armed forces and ISI which is a conspiracy to brainwash common people to create a rift between masses and the national security institutions. Every Pakistani condemns the unholy moves to discredit the guardians of ideological and geographical borders, he said while speaking at Bedari Fikr Forum.

All patriotic Pakistanis should give a strong message that whole nation stands by army; he said adding that adversaries are cultivating doubts aimed at weakening the country. Dr. Murtaza Mughal called upon the masses not to succumb to the propaganda and reject the scenario painted by international media, think tanks, research institutes, intellectuals and paid studies that have no worth, he said.

In 1947 and 50s, many politicians and intellectuals had described Pakistan as an economically, geographically, politically, and culturally unviable state ; they are all dead now but the country is still on the map, he said. He said that a dozen countries have initiated their proxy wars in Pakistan therefore we should support institutions that are fighting for our survival. Armed forces and ISI commits mistakes, sometimes very serious, but these issues should not be used to demoralize them as it will hurt supreme national interests. They can be hold accountable once situation returns to calm. Giving examples of many recent incidents he said that all seems to be part of a conspiracy to defame national institutions of vital importance. Spy agencies of enemy nations have been engaged since long in violent subversive activities to create social and political unrest in Pakistan but they have achieved nothing. No doubt that country is passing through difficult times but the adverse propaganda against Pakistans Army and wrong conclusions about Pakistans future that is creating frustration and low morale must come to a halt, he said.

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=htt...anda-against-army-isi-is-treason.html&h=4ea0e

No matter what, all Pakistanis must support the forces, specially true when enemies, i.e. terrorists from Afghan and India are adamant to destroy us. This is no time to have a bashing of the forces.

Granted people have rights to question them about their expenditure and other activities, but question is one thing, disgracing them in public serves no one but terrorists India. There is a proper way of asking or questioning forces, just a PML-N rep did in the parliament.

I am totally in favor of ihtesaab of the army, but Dr. Mughal is targeting the criticism of forces outside of MNA. Criticizing forces on internet, print and electronic media is actually meant to demoralize the nation n behalf of India-owned Pakistani media.

This behavior of media must be contained before its too late. Media is Pakistani and must support Pakistani army and must not be allowed to promote American and Indian agenda.

 

[gazoomartian]

Un_Biased observers all around the world are saying the same thing that " U.S/NATO can not attack Pakistan directly so they are breaking Pakistan internally Turning People against Army and ISI "...........And unfortunately lots of people in Pakistan intentionally or Un-intentionally are helping this U.S Plan....So please wake up and support our army before it is too late..............

Sad stupidity of Pakistanis is that they always believe f*** Indian/Western media and our media is foreign based mostly.

Media that is head quartered in Dubai, UK have obviously heavy advertising dollars from the Indian business resulting in pro-enemy stance f our media. Actually Media people are THE ONE WHO CAN SELL THEIR MOTHERS FOR FEW $

 

[moazzamniaz]

پاک آرمی اور آئ ایس آئ کے خلاف جھوٹا پراپیگنڈہ تو واقعی ملک و قوم سے غداری ہے. البتہ اصلاح کی غرض سے ان کی غلطیوں پر مثبت اور جائز تنقید کرنا حب الوطنی کا تقاضہ بھی ہے. اسی طرح مناسب الفاظ میں انکی غلطیوں پر جذبات کا اظہار بھی "گناہ" نہیں. پتہ نہیں کہ آئین اور قانون کے مطابق چلنا جرنیلوں کیلیے کیوں اس قدر مشکل ہے !!!!؟

 

[gazoomartian]

This is not ISLAH, this is downright disgracing. If you really mean to reform, talk to your local MNA's and ask them to be actively pursuing Army reform.

I have noticed that most of the siasat members are young and not well politically educated and their brain has not fully developed yet to think and differentiate between enemy/friend, good/bad.

Indians have started badmouthing Pak army, Pak members started joining them, of course illa qaleel.

You have no idea how we felt w/o the protection of army after 16dec 1971 in East Pakistan. That was the high time how we found out the importance of fauj. We were psychologically dead.

Every second we used to think 'Indian soldiers and mukti bahini are coming. Where is our fauj?' One can not describe the helplessness we had. opened our eyes and see Indian soldiers and the mukti so far as we could see.

تم بچوں پر الله نہ کرے کہ کبھی ایسا وقت آیے- اگر پڑتا تو تمہارے ہوش ٹھکانے آجاتے - تم کو فوج میسر ہے تو تم آوازہ کستے ہو ان پر- ہم روتے تھے کہ کسی بھی یونیفارم والے پر نظر پڑتی
جب بھی بھارتی اور مکتی دھشتگرد آتے تھے ہم سب ملکر صرف نعرہ تکبر ' الله اکبر چلّا تے تھے - اسی میں ہزاروں ڈھاکہ میں شہید ہوے کچھ بچ گئے- میں ان میں سے ایک ہوں -
تم کو جو میسر ہے اس پر الله کا شکر ادا کرو اور ان بھارتیوں کے ورغلانے میں مت آجاؤ - یہ تو چاہتے یہی ہیں کہ تم فوج کے خلاف ہو جاؤ
یہاں ١٨ کروڑ کی جان پر پڑی ہے اور تم کو اصلاح کی فکر ہے -

آنکھیں بند کرکے صرف ایک ساعت کے لیے سونچو کہ اگر فوج نہ ہو تمہارا کیا حال ہوگا - جے ہند اور بندے ماترم کی مشق کرنی پڑےگی
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I, and you should too, unconditionally and unequivocally support the army and the ISI, the best of the best. May Allah keep them safe and give health so they can trample the enemy.
Aakhir new delhi per sabz hilali to lehrana hai na? May the wrath of Allah be on our enemies.



Pak forces Zindabad, (clap) you are the ones we have, and all we need is Allah and you on the ground.

Pakistan Paindabad

 

[M Ali Khan]

These words do make lot of sense.....just saying in general and have no intention of relating to current situation in pakistan.

Just because we love our country does not mean we should blindly love the establishment running it! We have the right to question them, demand transparency, fairness, and openness. That is something which is NEVER done in Pakistan (incl. the Army).

1965 (the failure of Operation Gibraltar that led to the 6 Sept war), 1971 & Hamood ur Rehman Commission report, Balochistan operations, Bhutto's hanging, Ojhri camp blast, Afghan War aftermath, ISI support to Jihadis for 30 years, Kargil, Talibanisation in Army, GHQ attack 2009, PNS Mehran attack 2011, Abbottabad 2011, target killings of Baloch youth by agencies/army etc, land scams involving Military Farms and DHA.

NONE OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED INCIDENTS AND EVENTS DONE BY ARMY HAVE EVER BEEN MADE PUBLIC OF WHO WHY WHAT CAUSED THEM! All of these events were a result of Army's own incompetence and corruption. Has any general or officer faced a public enquiry or even sacked for this?

Is demanding public enquiries and making Army answerable for its mis-deeds really 'treason'???

Our nation has too much respect for the Army for very whimsical and petty reasons. This obsession with people wearing a khaki uniform and playing with their Chinese-American-Russian-European made (and local copied) military toys has clogged our brains as we continue to deny the self-made problems we have!

If you love your country, do not be ashamed of asking for change and do not be afraid of questioning the authority which almost NEVER answers to you the people!

 

[M Ali Khan]

This is not ISLAH, this is downright disgracing. If you really mean to reform, talk to your local MNA's and ask them to be actively pursuing Army reform.

Indians have started badmouthing Pak army, Pak members started joining them, of course illa qaleel.

You have no idea how we felt w/o the protection of army after 16dec 1971 in East Pakistan. That was the high time how we found out the importance of fauj. We were psychologically dead.

Every second we used to think 'Indian soldiers and mukti bahini are coming. Where is our fauj?' One can not describe the helplessness we had. opened our eyes and see Indian soldiers and the mukti so far as we could see.

تم بچوں پر الله نہ کرے کہ کبھی ایسا وقت آیے- اگر پڑتا تو تمہارے ہوش ٹھکانے آجاتے - تم کو فوج میسر ہے تو تم آوازہ کستے ہو ان پر- ہم روتے تھے کہ کسی بھی یونیفارم والے پر نظر پڑتی
جب بھی بھارتی اور مکتی دھشتگرد آتے تھے ہم سب ملکر صرف نعرہ تکبر ' الله اکبر چلّا تے تھے - اسی میں ہزاروں ڈھاکہ میں شہید ہوے کچھ بچ گئے- میں ان میں سے ایک ہوں -
تم کو جو میسر ہے اس پر الله کا شکر ادا کرو اور ان بھارتیوں کے ورغلانے میں مت آجاؤ - یہ تو چاہتے یہی ہیں کہ تم فوج کے خلاف ہو جاؤ
یہاں ١٨ کروڑ کی جان پر پڑی ہے اور تم کو اصلاح کی فکر ہے -

آنکھیں بند کرکے صرف ایک ساعت کے لیے سونچو کہ اگر فوج نہ ہو تمہارا کیا حال ہوگا - جے ہند اور بندے ماترم کی مشق کرنی پڑےگی
​

Then you must also remember the chaos, bloodshed, and carnage caused by Army and its Al-Badr allies during Operation Searchlight from March 1971 that led to the war in December 1971!

I have noticed that most of the siasat members are young and not well politically educated and their brain has not fully developed yet to think and differentiate between enemy/friend, good/bad.

indeed. whenever they hear or read or see an opinion they do not agree with (or have no clue about it), they start throwing around the 'you are a CIA/RAW agent!' the way Kamran Akmal drops catches!

But guess what? the 'buzurg' members (and the general public) are also prone to such lunacy. ;)

 

[desicad]

Just because we love our country does not mean we should blindly love the establishment running it! We have the right to question them, demand transparency, fairness, and openness. That is something which is NEVER done in Pakistan (incl. the Army).

1965 (the failure of Operation Gibraltar that led to the 6 Sept war), 1971 & Hamood ur Rehman Commission report, Balochistan operations, Bhutto's hanging, Ojhri camp blast, Afghan War aftermath, ISI support to Jihadis for 30 years, Kargil, Talibanisation in Army, GHQ attack 2009, PNS Mehran attack 2011, Abbottabad 2011, target killings of Baloch youth by agencies/army etc, land scams involving Military Farms and DHA.

NONE OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED INCIDENTS AND EVENTS DONE BY ARMY HAVE EVER BEEN MADE PUBLIC OF WHO WHY WHAT CAUSED THEM! All of these events were a result of Army's own incompetence and corruption. Has any general or officer faced a public enquiry or even sacked for this? Is demanding public enquiries and making Army answerable for its mis-deeds really 'treason'???

Our nation has too much respect for the Army for very whimsical and petty reasons. This obsession with people wearing a khaki uniform and playing with their Chinese-American-Russian-European made (and local copied) military toys has clogged our brains as we continue to deny the self-made problems we have!

If you love your country, do not be ashamed of asking for change and do not be afraid of questioning the authority which almost NEVER answers to you the people!

The last few words of my earlier post was because that is for pakistanis to decide.....

 

[M Ali Khan]

The last few words of my earlier post was because that is for pakistanis to decide.....

Unfortunately, most Pakistanis are too divided, emotionally hyper, yet intellectually lazy to ever have the guts to stand up and demand change and demand the establishment (fauji and civil) to be answerable to the people!

To the Pakistani public: its all a conspiracy!

 

[gazoomartian]

Then you must also remember the chaos, bloodshed, and carnage caused by Army and its Al-Badr allies during Operation Searchlight from March 1971 that led to the war in December 1971!

indeed. whenever they hear or read or see an opinion they do not agree with (or have no clue about it), they start throwing around the 'you are a CIA/RAW agent!' the way Kamran Akmal drops catches!

But guess what? the 'buzurg' members (and the general public) are also prone to such lunacy. ;)

YES I do remember very distinctively. I must admit that army did not kill enough terrorists and muktis.

There are two types of 'chaos, bloodshed, and carnage'- an actionary and reactionary

The chaos, bloodshed, and carnage in EP was a reactionary. If the army did not do what they did, we, the 100's of 1000's of pro Pakistanis would have been slaughtered like cows n goats.

The killing of Shah in KHI by rangers was actionary, rangers were not challenged into shooting or they were not shot at.

 

[gazoomartian]

Just because we love our country does not mean we should blindly love the establishment running it! We have the right to question them, demand transparency, fairness, and openness. That is something which is NEVER done in Pakistan (incl. the Army).

1965 (the failure of Operation Gibraltar that led to the 6 Sept war), 1971 & Hamood ur Rehman Commission report, Balochistan operations, Bhutto's hanging, Ojhri camp blast, Afghan War aftermath, ISI support to Jihadis for 30 years, Kargil, Talibanisation in Army, GHQ attack 2009, PNS Mehran attack 2011, Abbottabad 2011, target killings of Baloch youth by agencies/army etc, land scams involving Military Farms and DHA.

NONE OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED INCIDENTS AND EVENTS DONE BY ARMY HAVE EVER BEEN MADE PUBLIC OF WHO WHY WHAT CAUSED THEM! All of these events were a result of Army's own incompetence and corruption. Has any general or officer faced a public enquiry or even sacked for this?

Is demanding public enquiries and making Army answerable for its mis-deeds really 'treason'???

Our nation has too much respect for the Army for very whimsical and petty reasons. This obsession with people wearing a khaki uniform and playing with their Chinese-American-Russian-European made (and local copied) military toys has clogged our brains as we continue to deny the self-made problems we have!

If you love your country, do not be ashamed of asking for change and do not be afraid of questioning the authority which almost NEVER answers to you the people!

There hasnt been any democracy in Pak either.

Nobody is claiming that our fauj is collection of farishta and they never will be. All supporters of forces, I for one, are saying that this is not the time for ihtesaab of them. this is the time to be united and stand firm against the terrorist India who will not miss any opportunity to swallow Pak if there was one available.

Save all these gripes against fauj for the politicians. set up an investigation commission and charge it with finding out the the reasons and details of all the above you mentioned.

perhaps you will change the govt in 2013 and next govt will set up a commission. I also believe all these accusations should be investigated BUT by proper commissions, parliament, free-hand judges, committees etc.

Until then we should support our army as much as we can. We need them as much as they need us. India having much larger army in ratio with Pak, must have more bureaucracy and wrong doings than Pak army. Do you hear Indians gripe about them on siasat? NOT. Instead they bash our forces and some naive Pakis fall for it

 

[M Ali Khan]

YES I do remember very distinctively. I must admit that army did not kill enough terrorists and muktis.

There are two types of 'chaos, bloodshed, and carnage'- an actionary and reactionary

The chaos, bloodshed, and carnage in EP was a reactionary. If the army did not do what they did, we, the 100's of 1000's of pro Pakistanis would have been slaughtered like cows n goats.

The killing of Shah in KHI by rangers was actionary, rangers were not challenged into shooting or they were not shot at.

Funny how you tend to cheer on the butchering, abductions, rapes, torture, beatings, arrests of Pak Army against its OWN CITIZENS it is supposed to protect (like how modern-day Balochistan has become).

as if Bengal, the region that gave Tehrik-e-Pakistan heroes like Khwaja Nazimuddin, Abul Kasim Fazlul Haq, etc that would soon be pushed away from power by West Pakistani bureaucrats and feudals, the way Bengali a language with such a strong literary history (including a Nobel Prize win of Rabindranath Tagore's Bengali literature!) spoken by the entire population in that region was not even taught in schools because of 'Urdu and only Urdu will be language of Pakistan' and kept banned until the late 1950s, a region whose proudly secular culture treated Hindus and Muslims as equals that pissed off the pro-Army Jamaat-e-Islami into calling Benaglis as 'bad muslims' and even 'kafirs'. a region that had all its major exports and industries fleeced and taxed at unfair levels for 2 decades at the behest of West Pakistani elite with no real benefits given to East Pakistan, a region that was under-represented in the armed forces because of British era 'martial race' bullshit despite being the majority region, a region whose political party won the elections fair and square yet the West Pakistan elite did not even bother with accepting the results, and instead sent the boots to kick down doors and shoot at its own people and YOU wonder why East Pakistan revolted?

the way Army killed some very progressive elements who did not even demand separation, but merely more autonomy from West Pakistani feudals, bureaucrats, and generals until they got the boot after March 1971, and you wonder why it all came about when Pakistani airstrikes on Indian bases led to India's invasion.

Turn the clock back a little further, and you will see how utterly helpless East Pakistan had become because of 1970 Bhola Cyclone because of lack of a genuine presence of a rescue apparatus, supplies, and what not present in a wing which had a larger population than West Pakistan but was forced to have a mere fraction of West Pakistan's support structure. How utterly pathetic was the response by the fauji hakoomat of Yahya Khan that spread nothing but more anger towards West Pakistan, and then barely a few months l

but then you seem surprisingly worried about how the war happened.

selective memory much?