POLL: Should Jamat e Islami Be Banned In Pakistan Just Like In Bangladesh?
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Chaudhry_1960
Minister (2k+ posts)
Yes ban their asses
Abdulmaalik
MPA (400+ posts)
I will strongly oppose this ban option. The reason is that we already have too much militancy in the country.Baning a religious-political party will only enhance the militancy as all the members of JI (which may be in hundreds of thousands) will move towards armed militancy.In Bangladesh, JI was the only religious-political party whereas we have dozens such parties.
Rizwan2009
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
جہاں مال و دولت کي حفاظت مقصود ہو وہاں شريعت ميں کتے رکھنے کي اجازت ہے مسلمان کے لئے ايمان کي دولت سے زيادہ کوئي چيز قيمتي نہيں ہے ايمان کي دولت کي حفاظت کے لئے کتے رکھنے ميں کوئي حرج نہيں
ایمان کی حفاظت نجس چیزوں سے نہیں ہوتی . جہاں مومن کے ایمان کو خطرہ ہو وہاں الله قرآن میں فرماتا ہے کے وہ خود مومن اور گناہ کے درمیان حائل ہو جاتا ہے .
ان کتوں کو حفاظت کے لئے وزیرستان میں رکھا جا سکتا ہے ، الله کی رحمت بھی حاصل ہوتی رہے اور نجاست بھی دور رہے
tz00007
Minister (2k+ posts)
army is not a holly cow... its his opinion and every has a right to have his opinion...isnt it true that pak army is taking money from US to fight???
sumone who dies for US money compensated by US money and by "order" of US is a shaheed...if he thinks its not..then he can be right too..
and why doznt the army apologize first for breaking the constitution multiple times, for bangladesh war crimes and killing of thousands of innocents in operations...
sumone who dies for US money compensated by US money and by "order" of US is a shaheed...if he thinks its not..then he can be right too..
and why doznt the army apologize first for breaking the constitution multiple times, for bangladesh war crimes and killing of thousands of innocents in operations...
Rizwan2009
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
انسان اور کتے ميں بہت فرق ہے
مسلمان چاہے کتنا ہي گناہ گار کيوں نہ ہو کبھي نجس نہيں ہوتا دوسرے يہ کہ گناہ سے حفاظت صرف اولياء اللہ کو حاصل ہوتي ہے وہ بھي اللہ کے احکامات کي من و عن پيروي کرنے کے بعد يہاں پاکستان ميں اکثريت گناہ گار مسلمانوں کي ہے
تيسرے يہ کہ اللہ کي رحمت اس وقت نازل ہوتي ہے جب مسلمان اللہ کے احکامات کي اتباع کرے اگر اللہ کي نافرماني کرے گا اور خصوصا گناہ کبيرہ کثرت سے کرے گا تو رحمت خداوندي سے محروم رہے گا
M Ali Khan
Minister (2k+ posts)
http://pakteahouse.net/2009/08/15/maulana-maududis-role-against-jinnahs-pakistan/
Maulana Maududi's Role Against Jinnah's Pakistan
August 15th, 2009 | 88 Comments
By Yasser Latif Hamdani
Let me start by saying - as a disclaimer- that opposing Jinnah, the Muslim League or Pakistan is not an unpardonable crime. Support for Pakistans creation is not sine qua non for its citizenship.
However an exception must be made in the case of Jamaat-e-Islami given its latter day claims about being the guardians of Pakistans ideology. Maulana Maududi claimed and his Jamaat-e-Islami still claims to be the guardian of Pakistans ideological frontiers as it were. They have been at the forefront of religious bigotry against all minority groups of Pakistan. They abuse those who stand for a peaceful settlement of Kashmir dispute and they hurl abuses at groups like Agha Khanis and Ahmadis- the two of the most actively pro-Pakistan groups during partition- and accuse them of being the enemies of Pakistan.
What a turn around. Maududi was the most vociferous opponent of Mr. Jinnah and the Pakistan Movement. I reproduce here some of his referenced works here from his Muslims and the Present Political Turmoil (Vol.III) First Edition published from Delhi. Jamaat-e-Islami claims that the whole Two Nation Theory project was derived from Maududis writings which is completely untrue. Maududi described the idea of Muslim Nationalism as unlikely as a chaste prostitute.
Here he wrote: Who are the Muslims you are claiming to be a separate nation? Here, the crowd called Muslims is full of all sorts of rabble. There are as many types of characters in this as in any (other) heathen people. (Vol. III, P.166) If you survey this so-called Muslim society, you will come across multifarious types of Muslims, of countless categories. This is a zoo with a collection of crows, kites, vultures, partridges and thousands of other types of birds. Every one of them is a sparrow. (Ibid. P.31)
One of Jamaat-e-Islamis latter day claims has been that Mr. Jinnah wanted an Islamic state. Ironically this is what Jamaat-e-Islamis philosopher in chief Maulana Maududi was writing back then:Pity! From Leagues Quaid-e-Azam down to the lower cadres, there is not a single person who has an Islamic outlook and thinking and whose perspective on matters is Islamic.(Ibid. P.37)
To pronounce these people fit for leading Muslims for the simple reason that they are experts of Western type politics and masters of Western organizational arts, and are deeply in love with their people, is a manifestation of an unislamic viewpoint and reflects ignorance of Islam. (Ibid. P.70)Even with a microscopic study of their practical life, and their thinking, ideology, political behaviour and style of leadership, one can find not a trace of Islamic character.
Jamaat-e-Islami now claims claims that the Muslim League won the elections because it promised Pakistan as an Islamic state. Here is what Maulana Maududi said then:In no Muslim League resolution, or in a speech by a responsible leader of the League it has it been made clear that their final goal is of establishing an Islamic system of government. Those who believe that by freeing Muslim majority areas rule of Hindu majority, an Islamic government will be established here in a democratic set up, are wrong. In fact what will be achieved will be a heretical government by Muslims, indeed worse than that. (Ibid. P.130-32)
One of the main arguments in favor of separate federations in India put up by Muslim League was that parliamentary democracy would not work in United India given the permanent minority that Muslims were with their own majority zones. Thus Pakistan as a separate federation- had to be a democratic state. Jinnahs vision, as Gandhi concluded after his abortive meetings with Jinnah in 1944, was of a perfect democracy in Pakistan. This vision was rejected by Maulana Maududi and his party.
The fact that Jinnah used electoral methods and strengths of numbers for his politics also upset Maulana Maududi quite a bit. He wrote:For these reasons, the great numbers (of Muslims) that we find. (listed) in the census records has become worthless for purposes of Islam. Anything done on the strength of these numbers will result in acute frustration. (Ibid. P.56)
Had these great numbers supported Maududi he would have gladly accepted their strength. In 1947, he moved to Pakistan and brought here with him his cancerous Jamaat-e-Islami too. He remained however a committed opponent of the Pakistani national causes including the Kashmir struggle calling it unIslamic. Today the Jamaat-e-Islami castigates anyone and everyone who wants a peaceful settlement in Kashmir. I suppose Maududi could not call the Kashmir struggle a Jihad because then Ahmadis were involved in fighting there under their Al-Furqan brigade.
A few years later Maududi in cahoots with the old anti-Muslim League and anti-Pakistan group Majlis-e-Ahrar started the anti-Ahmaddiya movement in Pakistan with the main objective of getting Zafrulla dismissed from his post as the foreign minister. This is the same Zafrulla who was the author of the Lahore Resolution and had been appointed by the Quaid to plead Pakistans case before the boundary commission and the United Nations. The movement led to a death sentence being handed down to Maulana Maududi which was not carried out.
At the Munir Report hearings the Jamaat e Islami described Jinnahs vision of the state as expressed on 11 August 1947 as kufr and evil. Today Jamaat e Islami claims that 11th August speech was actually according to Islamic Law. Ofcourse they would never agree to its implementation in letter and spirit but perhaps we could consider this an improvement.
Some Jamaat-e-Islami wallahs point to Maududis half hearted support to Fatima Jinnahs bid for presidency as proof of his patriotism and love for democracy. The truth is that Jamaat-e-Islami had nothing against dictatorship and indeed military coup seems to be Jamaats preferred method of change of government. What alienated Maududi from Ayub was the latters insistence on taking lead in Islam-related matters from Allama Parwez and the modernist Harvard scholar Fazlurrahman instead of him.
The Jamaat-e-Islami expected to sweep into power in 1970 through elections (wait isnt this a contradiction?). Maududis son even visited Ahmaddiya headquarters and told them to vote for Jamaat-e-Islami for safe passage out of Pakistan. However the election results didnt quite turn out the way Maududi wanted it to. So he went about it another way forming Al Badr a militant organization which is distinguished in its role in East Pakistan.
Those who accuse Bhutto of being power hungry by collaborating with army should also consider the fact that had Bhutto not played footsie with the dictator, it would have been an abject surrender of both East and West Pakistan, in the East to India and in the West to Maududi.
Given this history and Jamaat-e-Islamis role in aid of General Zia, all their claims of democracy seem hollow.
Had it not been for Aitzaz Ahsans sagacious leadership, they would have hijacked the Lawyers Movement. We must be on the look out for any meetings between Jamaat-e-Islamis current chief and the Pakistan Army and the patriots of Pakistan must remember that Jamaat-e-Islami will always persecute those who actually stand for Pakistan.
A few years ago they even started a campaign to have Aga Khanis declared Non-muslims. Ofcourse the fact that Aga Khan was the first president of the Muslim League and Jinnah himself was an Agha Khani by birth is too inconvenient for them.
It is therefore in this context that the slander, abuse and lies posted by a third rate newspaper Daily Ummat against PakTeaHouse and myself must be read. It is because we speak up for Pakistan, it is because we expose the Fitna-e-Maududiat, it is because we speak for Jinnahs Pakistan and because we speak for the minorities of Pakistan and because we feel Pakistan deserves a shot. The Fitna-e-Maududiat will never attack those who abuse Pakistan day in day out because that group doesnt challenge their lies or their claim to speak for Pakistan. We do.
Pakistan Zindabad.
Maulana Maududi's Role Against Jinnah's Pakistan
August 15th, 2009 | 88 Comments
By Yasser Latif Hamdani
Let me start by saying - as a disclaimer- that opposing Jinnah, the Muslim League or Pakistan is not an unpardonable crime. Support for Pakistans creation is not sine qua non for its citizenship.
However an exception must be made in the case of Jamaat-e-Islami given its latter day claims about being the guardians of Pakistans ideology. Maulana Maududi claimed and his Jamaat-e-Islami still claims to be the guardian of Pakistans ideological frontiers as it were. They have been at the forefront of religious bigotry against all minority groups of Pakistan. They abuse those who stand for a peaceful settlement of Kashmir dispute and they hurl abuses at groups like Agha Khanis and Ahmadis- the two of the most actively pro-Pakistan groups during partition- and accuse them of being the enemies of Pakistan.
What a turn around. Maududi was the most vociferous opponent of Mr. Jinnah and the Pakistan Movement. I reproduce here some of his referenced works here from his Muslims and the Present Political Turmoil (Vol.III) First Edition published from Delhi. Jamaat-e-Islami claims that the whole Two Nation Theory project was derived from Maududis writings which is completely untrue. Maududi described the idea of Muslim Nationalism as unlikely as a chaste prostitute.
Here he wrote: Who are the Muslims you are claiming to be a separate nation? Here, the crowd called Muslims is full of all sorts of rabble. There are as many types of characters in this as in any (other) heathen people. (Vol. III, P.166) If you survey this so-called Muslim society, you will come across multifarious types of Muslims, of countless categories. This is a zoo with a collection of crows, kites, vultures, partridges and thousands of other types of birds. Every one of them is a sparrow. (Ibid. P.31)
One of Jamaat-e-Islamis latter day claims has been that Mr. Jinnah wanted an Islamic state. Ironically this is what Jamaat-e-Islamis philosopher in chief Maulana Maududi was writing back then:Pity! From Leagues Quaid-e-Azam down to the lower cadres, there is not a single person who has an Islamic outlook and thinking and whose perspective on matters is Islamic.(Ibid. P.37)
To pronounce these people fit for leading Muslims for the simple reason that they are experts of Western type politics and masters of Western organizational arts, and are deeply in love with their people, is a manifestation of an unislamic viewpoint and reflects ignorance of Islam. (Ibid. P.70)Even with a microscopic study of their practical life, and their thinking, ideology, political behaviour and style of leadership, one can find not a trace of Islamic character.
Jamaat-e-Islami now claims claims that the Muslim League won the elections because it promised Pakistan as an Islamic state. Here is what Maulana Maududi said then:In no Muslim League resolution, or in a speech by a responsible leader of the League it has it been made clear that their final goal is of establishing an Islamic system of government. Those who believe that by freeing Muslim majority areas rule of Hindu majority, an Islamic government will be established here in a democratic set up, are wrong. In fact what will be achieved will be a heretical government by Muslims, indeed worse than that. (Ibid. P.130-32)
One of the main arguments in favor of separate federations in India put up by Muslim League was that parliamentary democracy would not work in United India given the permanent minority that Muslims were with their own majority zones. Thus Pakistan as a separate federation- had to be a democratic state. Jinnahs vision, as Gandhi concluded after his abortive meetings with Jinnah in 1944, was of a perfect democracy in Pakistan. This vision was rejected by Maulana Maududi and his party.
The fact that Jinnah used electoral methods and strengths of numbers for his politics also upset Maulana Maududi quite a bit. He wrote:For these reasons, the great numbers (of Muslims) that we find. (listed) in the census records has become worthless for purposes of Islam. Anything done on the strength of these numbers will result in acute frustration. (Ibid. P.56)
Had these great numbers supported Maududi he would have gladly accepted their strength. In 1947, he moved to Pakistan and brought here with him his cancerous Jamaat-e-Islami too. He remained however a committed opponent of the Pakistani national causes including the Kashmir struggle calling it unIslamic. Today the Jamaat-e-Islami castigates anyone and everyone who wants a peaceful settlement in Kashmir. I suppose Maududi could not call the Kashmir struggle a Jihad because then Ahmadis were involved in fighting there under their Al-Furqan brigade.
A few years later Maududi in cahoots with the old anti-Muslim League and anti-Pakistan group Majlis-e-Ahrar started the anti-Ahmaddiya movement in Pakistan with the main objective of getting Zafrulla dismissed from his post as the foreign minister. This is the same Zafrulla who was the author of the Lahore Resolution and had been appointed by the Quaid to plead Pakistans case before the boundary commission and the United Nations. The movement led to a death sentence being handed down to Maulana Maududi which was not carried out.
At the Munir Report hearings the Jamaat e Islami described Jinnahs vision of the state as expressed on 11 August 1947 as kufr and evil. Today Jamaat e Islami claims that 11th August speech was actually according to Islamic Law. Ofcourse they would never agree to its implementation in letter and spirit but perhaps we could consider this an improvement.
Some Jamaat-e-Islami wallahs point to Maududis half hearted support to Fatima Jinnahs bid for presidency as proof of his patriotism and love for democracy. The truth is that Jamaat-e-Islami had nothing against dictatorship and indeed military coup seems to be Jamaats preferred method of change of government. What alienated Maududi from Ayub was the latters insistence on taking lead in Islam-related matters from Allama Parwez and the modernist Harvard scholar Fazlurrahman instead of him.
The Jamaat-e-Islami expected to sweep into power in 1970 through elections (wait isnt this a contradiction?). Maududis son even visited Ahmaddiya headquarters and told them to vote for Jamaat-e-Islami for safe passage out of Pakistan. However the election results didnt quite turn out the way Maududi wanted it to. So he went about it another way forming Al Badr a militant organization which is distinguished in its role in East Pakistan.
Those who accuse Bhutto of being power hungry by collaborating with army should also consider the fact that had Bhutto not played footsie with the dictator, it would have been an abject surrender of both East and West Pakistan, in the East to India and in the West to Maududi.
Given this history and Jamaat-e-Islamis role in aid of General Zia, all their claims of democracy seem hollow.
Had it not been for Aitzaz Ahsans sagacious leadership, they would have hijacked the Lawyers Movement. We must be on the look out for any meetings between Jamaat-e-Islamis current chief and the Pakistan Army and the patriots of Pakistan must remember that Jamaat-e-Islami will always persecute those who actually stand for Pakistan.
A few years ago they even started a campaign to have Aga Khanis declared Non-muslims. Ofcourse the fact that Aga Khan was the first president of the Muslim League and Jinnah himself was an Agha Khani by birth is too inconvenient for them.
It is therefore in this context that the slander, abuse and lies posted by a third rate newspaper Daily Ummat against PakTeaHouse and myself must be read. It is because we speak up for Pakistan, it is because we expose the Fitna-e-Maududiat, it is because we speak for Jinnahs Pakistan and because we speak for the minorities of Pakistan and because we feel Pakistan deserves a shot. The Fitna-e-Maududiat will never attack those who abuse Pakistan day in day out because that group doesnt challenge their lies or their claim to speak for Pakistan. We do.
Pakistan Zindabad.
ہر اسلام لانے والا مسلمان تو ہو سکتا ہے لیکن صاحب ایمان نہیں ہو سکتا ، سوره بقرہ پڑھ لو .
مسلمان تو سارے ہیں لیکن انہیں میں منافقین ہیں جو اسلام لاے لیکن ایمان نہیں لاے .
تفصیل پھر کبھی سہی ، پہلے ان آیات پر غور کر لیں
M Ali Khan
Minister (2k+ posts)
تم کون سے ایمان کی بات کر رے ہو۔
قران کہتا ہے اپpbuh اخری نبی ہیں ۔
تم لعنتی قادیانیوں کو مسلمان سمجتے ہو۔ اور لعنتی مرزا کو نبی۔
تم سے بندا ایمان کی کیا بات کرے۔
Sayed Afzal Shah
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
NO. is se to acha hai ke pakistan ke media par ban lag jaye. Sari fasaad ki jarr yahi hai. Media to zinda leaders, army, sportsmen, kisi ko bhi nhi chorty, sub ko be-izzat karte hain
Sayed Afzal Shah
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
NO. is se to acha hai ke pakistan ke makhsus media par ban lag jaye. Sari fasaad ki jarr yahi hai. Media to zinda leaders, army, sportsmen, kisi ko bhi nhi chorty, sub ko be-izzat karte hain
