red scorpion
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
jamat islami is banned in bangladesh because they were against independent bangladesh.they were with pakistan army.
POLL: Should Jamat e Islami Be Banned In Pakistan Just Like In Bangladesh?
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Bani Adam
Senator (1k+ posts)
Absolutely Not.
Am not a JI voter as such but the Pakistanis need to recognise this vicious and divisive propaganda to damage Pakistan further from within.
Some folks have the tendency to think/act emotionally and impulsively, not with maturity and tolerance. Pity, that any time people hear something that is against their views or policies, they would have a knee-jerk reaction one of the fundamental reasons behind our long history of "structural violence" by the state against its own people. from East Pakistan to Balochistan to Karachi to FATA, that has resulted in a highly dysfunctional state that we today find ourselves in.
Banning Baloch/Sindhi/Pashtun/Mohajir/religious parties (or even media groups), or killing political leaders or investigative journalists, will never be the solutions. Your system should be mature enough to acknowledge/respect dissent, give people their basic rights and negotiate mutual differences amicably. Democracy means self-government and what self-government are we talking when both people and institutions can't govern themselves, when there can't be a rules-based system (not based on personal/institutional likes/dislikes).
Its high time to start thinking of collective good of Pakistan, not individual sacred cows, and for that its imperative to: (a.) reflect on the message instead of shooting the messenger, and (b) address the causes of the issues/malaise afflicting the Pakistani body-politic instead of proposing symptomatic treatments to the issues that surface.
Am not a JI voter as such but the Pakistanis need to recognise this vicious and divisive propaganda to damage Pakistan further from within.
Some folks have the tendency to think/act emotionally and impulsively, not with maturity and tolerance. Pity, that any time people hear something that is against their views or policies, they would have a knee-jerk reaction one of the fundamental reasons behind our long history of "structural violence" by the state against its own people. from East Pakistan to Balochistan to Karachi to FATA, that has resulted in a highly dysfunctional state that we today find ourselves in.
Banning Baloch/Sindhi/Pashtun/Mohajir/religious parties (or even media groups), or killing political leaders or investigative journalists, will never be the solutions. Your system should be mature enough to acknowledge/respect dissent, give people their basic rights and negotiate mutual differences amicably. Democracy means self-government and what self-government are we talking when both people and institutions can't govern themselves, when there can't be a rules-based system (not based on personal/institutional likes/dislikes).
Its high time to start thinking of collective good of Pakistan, not individual sacred cows, and for that its imperative to: (a.) reflect on the message
drmanzoormian
MPA (400+ posts)
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IT IS VERY SERIOUS SUBJECT. I WHOLE HEARTEDLY RESPECT
FREEDOM OF OPINION FOR EVERY ONE AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T
HURT ANY ONE.
NOW U DECIDE IF JI HAS HURT SOME ONE OR THE GREAT MISSION AND TRULY HOLLY CAUSE OF PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY.
ALL SUCH SUPPORTERS OF JI SHOULD RESPECT THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS OF VALIDITY AND UTILITY OF 1600 YRS OLD HOTCH POTCH THOUGHTS OF RUNNING ISOLATED FEW HUNDREDS OF LIVES WHO HAD VERY BASIC EXISTENCE AND ITS REQUIREMENTS COMPARED TO TODAYS' EXTREMELY COMPLICATED INTERDEPENDENT, COHESIVE UNIVERSE.
JI/MUNAWAR HASSAN HAS OPENED UP AN OPPORTUNITY
IF OUR PEOPLE WISH TO, TO THRASH OUT THE CONFUSION, REALITY AND NECESSITY OF PLACING RELIGION IN ITS OWN PLACE i.e; IN PEOPLES PRIVATE DOMAIN ENTIRELY WHERE IT DOESN'T OVERFLOW TO OTHERS' LIVES.
RELIGION DOESN'T BELONG TO PUBLIC DOMAIN OTHER WISE IF ONES VIEWS ARE THRUSTED/FORCED ON OTHERS; RESULT WILL BE NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN UNFORTUNATE COUNTRY.
IN LAST 30/35 OR SO YEARS NEW POWER GROUP SO CALLED MULLAS HAS EMERGED FROM TOTAL OBLIVIOUS AND MINOR LOW LEVEL ROLE TO DICTATING. OBVIOUSLY THERE HAVE BEEN MULTITUDE OF RESONS FOR THIS EVOLVEMENT.
NONETHELESS, THE NEW KIDS ON BLOCK FOR THEIR EXISTENCE COULDN'T OFFER ANY POSITIVE FORCE OTHER THAN THE VISION OF SECTARIANISM.
NARROW THINKING AND LACK OF KNOWLEDGE/ INFO OF TODAYS ISSUES AND SELF ENGINEERED BELIEVES BROUGHT INTOLERANCE TOWARDS EVERY BODY ELSE. THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANY OTHER TOOL TO PERPETUATE THEIR INFLUENCE AND POWER.
UNFORTUNATELY PRESENT STATE OF INTOLERANCE ALL AND SUNDRY RELIGIOUS ELEMENTS HAS BROUGHT VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM FREE FOR ALL TOWARDS ANY ANY ALL WHO CHALLENGE AND COME IN THEIR WAY.
MIND YOU EVERY PERSON IN THE SOCIETY IS FULLY RESPONSIBLE
FOR TODAYS' STATE OF NATION/ UMMA. EVERY ONE ADULT OR MINOR, MAN OR WOMAN, OLD OR YOUNG HAS BEEN INTOXiCATED with FEAR OF UNKNOWN AND THEN SALVATION AND GRATIFICATIONS WITH JUST EMPTY WORSHIPS, DUAS, JADOO TOONAS WASTAGE OF HUGE RESOURCES AND ENERGIES ON WHIMS
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IT IS VERY SERIOUS SUBJECT. I WHOLE HEARTEDLY RESPECT
FREEDOM OF OPINION FOR EVERY ONE AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T
HURT ANY ONE.
NOW U DECIDE IF JI HAS HURT SOME ONE OR THE GREAT MISSION AND TRULY HOLLY CAUSE OF PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY.
ALL SUCH SUPPORTERS OF JI SHOULD RESPECT THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS OF VALIDITY AND UTILITY OF 1600 YRS OLD HOTCH POTCH THOUGHTS OF RUNNING ISOLATED FEW HUNDREDS OF LIVES WHO HAD VERY BASIC EXISTENCE AND ITS REQUIREMENTS COMPARED TO TODAYS' EXTREMELY COMPLICATED INTERDEPENDENT, COHESIVE UNIVERSE.
JI/MUNAWAR HASSAN HAS OPENED UP AN OPPORTUNITY
IF OUR PEOPLE WISH TO, TO THRASH OUT THE CONFUSION, REALITY AND NECESSITY OF PLACING RELIGION IN ITS OWN PLACE i.e; IN PEOPLES PRIVATE DOMAIN ENTIRELY WHERE IT DOESN'T OVERFLOW TO OTHERS' LIVES.
RELIGION DOESN'T BELONG TO PUBLIC DOMAIN OTHER WISE IF ONES VIEWS ARE THRUSTED/FORCED ON OTHERS; RESULT WILL BE NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN UNFORTUNATE COUNTRY.
IN LAST 30/35 OR SO YEARS NEW POWER GROUP SO CALLED MULLAS HAS EMERGED FROM TOTAL OBLIVIOUS AND MINOR LOW LEVEL ROLE TO DICTATING. OBVIOUSLY THERE HAVE BEEN MULTITUDE OF RESONS FOR THIS EVOLVEMENT.
NONETHELESS, THE NEW KIDS ON BLOCK FOR THEIR EXISTENCE COULDN'T OFFER ANY POSITIVE FORCE OTHER THAN THE VISION OF SECTARIANISM.
NARROW THINKING AND LACK OF KNOWLEDGE/ INFO OF TODAYS ISSUES AND SELF ENGINEERED BELIEVES BROUGHT INTOLERANCE TOWARDS EVERY BODY ELSE. THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANY OTHER TOOL TO PERPETUATE THEIR INFLUENCE AND POWER.
UNFORTUNATELY PRESENT STATE OF INTOLERANCE ALL AND SUNDRY RELIGIOUS ELEMENTS HAS BROUGHT VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM FREE FOR ALL TOWARDS ANY ANY ALL WHO CHALLENGE AND COME IN THEIR WAY.
MIND YOU EVERY PERSON IN THE SOCIETY IS FULLY RESPONSIBLE
FOR TODAYS' STATE OF NATION/ UMMA. EVERY ONE ADULT OR MINOR, MAN OR WOMAN, OLD OR YOUNG HAS BEEN INTOXiCATED with FEAR OF UNKNOWN AND THEN SALVATION AND GRATIFICATIONS WITH JUST EMPTY WORSHIPS, DUAS, JADOO TOONAS WASTAGE OF HUGE RESOURCES AND ENERGIES ON WHIMS
well i hv been a very strong critic of JI but i dont think so banning will solve the problem!
look v already banned LeJ, they form something new, ban aman committee it is still working, banned ttp is still working!
so banning is not the right answer it will push them further towards hatred!
i believe strong msg should be sent to empty head Munawar Munafiq to keep his mouth shut!
JI should not be banned so that v can keep them as an example of MUNAFIQAT for our future generations!
If jamat follows the same path as given by Munawar Munafiq then time is not far away when fathers will be telling their sons "Son u wana understand who is Munafiq then go and meet jamatee"
So NO to banning! but jamatees r wishing to do so to play victim card!
best way is watever 3 or 4 seats of NA they hv got from KPK, next time make sure they r not gona get this too!
look v already banned LeJ, they form something new, ban aman committee it is still working, banned ttp is still working!
so banning is not the right answer it will push them further towards hatred!
i believe strong msg should be sent to empty head Munawar Munafiq to keep his mouth shut!
JI should not be banned so that v can keep them as an example of MUNAFIQAT for our future generations!
If jamat follows the same path as given by Munawar Munafiq then time is not far away when fathers will be telling their sons "Son u wana understand who is Munafiq then go and meet jamatee"
So NO to banning! but jamatees r wishing to do so to play victim card!
best way is watever 3 or 4 seats of NA they hv got from KPK, next time make sure they r not gona get this too!
Khuram Shehzad Jafri
Minister (2k+ posts)
Yes - Agar Manwar Hassan Maafi nahi mangta shaheed honay walon ki family sey...
agar maafi mang ley tu NO -
agar maafi mang ley tu NO -
Rizwan2009
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
چلو يہوديوں کي حکومت نہ سہي مہاتما گاندھي مسٹر نواذ شريف کي حکومت ہي سہي
Rizwan2009
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
پھر قادياني کہتا ہوں تو چيخيں مارتے ہو
تم منافقوں سے قادیانی اچھے ہیں
قادیانی انسان تو ہیں کتے تو نہیں جو ہر کسی پر بھونکتے ہیں
Rizwan2009
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
کتے کي ايک صفت ہے وہ چور ڈاکو کو ديکھ کر بھونکتا ہے اس ملک ميں قادياني چور اور ڈاکو ہيں جو مسلمانوں سے ان کے ايمان کي دولت چھين رہے ہيں اب اگر کوئى انہيں ديکھ کر بھونکے گا تو وہ کتا ہي سہي مگر ان سے لاکھ درجے بہتر ہے
