Political Asylum Denied !!!

greywolf

Councller (250+ posts)
By Arun Rajnath

NEW DELHI, November 8: Somewhat intrigued by the indirect requests and appeals by visiting Pakistani MQM leader, Mr. Altaf Hussain, to grant political asylum to his supporters in India, the Indian Home Ministry has categorically rejected his emotional pleas.

Minister of State for Home Affairs, S. Reghupati told the South Asia Tribune: Such proposals are not viable or practical, and Mr. Hussain himself understands it. If we grant asylum to Pakistani Mohajirs (refugees), why not to Bangladeshis? Then we should also cease our actions of identifying illegal migrants from Bangladesh and we should open our doors for every Mohajir, and give them legal status.

Officials said in his meeting with the Indian Foreign Minister, Natwar Singh, Mr. Hussain requested that his supporters, the Mohajirs, be granted Long Term Visas (LTV) to live in India. He also requested the Indians to show leniency when considering such cases, especially of the Mohajir community, if they are legally entitled to get the Indian citizenship.

Indian analysts are scratching their heads to understand what it was that Mr. Hussain, now a key ally of the military government in Pakistan and having his own nominee as the all powerful Governor of Sindh, was talking about his supporters seeking political asylum in India. Was he expecting another crackdown any time soon?

These analysts think Mr. Hussains requests reflected a deep sense of insecurity and lack of confidence in the durability of the present Pakistani set up as Mr. Hussain was not only staying in self-imposed exile himself in UK but was even talking about a large number of his supporters running away from Pakistan to seek asylum in India, as chances of getting asylum in the US and UK had diminished after 9/11.

It may be of interest that during the past crackdowns on MQM in Pakistan, especially during operations launched by the Pakistan Army in the 90s, a huge number of MQM supporters fled the country and took asylum in US and UK, with some of them going to India as well, though there they stayed underground.

An understanding of any sort, if given to Mr. Hussain by the Indians, would result in a huge number of MQM supporters entering India through the large Pak-India border in Sindh and this prospect does not cheer up many in the policy making corridors in New Delhi, analysts say.

Despite being termed as Not War Singh by Mr. Hussain, Natwar Singh has given him no assurance of considering his plea to grant LTVs to Mohajirs to entitle them to live here for a longer period.

While talking about the internal conditions in Pakistan with Natwar Singh, Mr. Hussain expressed the desire of several Mohajirs to return to India. He told Mr. Singh the second generation of the Mohajir community was now facing the acrimonious fruit of the 1947 partition.

He also recited an Urdu couplet during his interaction with Natwar Singh: Yeh waqt bhi dekha hai taareekh ke safahon ne; Lamhon ne khata ki thi, sadiyon ne sazaa payee

(Annals of History have witnessed the phenomenon that blunders committed in a short span of time resulted in punishment for centuries)


Foreign Ministry officials told the South Asia Tribune Mr. Hussain had also revealed that a large number of his Mohajir community wanted to return to their roots, and most of them wanted their Indian citizenship back.

Though he did not directly request Natwar Singh to grant asylum to Mohajirs, he made it clear that this was exactly what he wanted. It would be a great service to humanity to be more lenient towards the Mohajirs. They should be given Long Term Visas, if asylum was a politically incorrect term at this time to use, he pleaded.

Asked to comment on the subject, Secretary, Minority Cell (Congress Party), Meem Afzal had different views: The new generation of the Pakistan Mohajirs does not wish to re-unite with India or return to their roots. Their counterparts in India also do not wish their relatives to come back from Pakistan to settle down in India. It is just a matter of a few years and after the end of the second generation or Altaf Hussains generation, the ghost of nostalgia will just disappear.

Apart from this some of the Mohajirs were declared dead in property documents/papers/ records at the time of the partition by other members of the family to protect their property from being taken over by Indian authorities. Those who stayed behind claimed full inheritance. If they or their children return to India, it would complicate matters a lot.

Mr. Afzal says that it takes 15-20 years for Pakistani women married to Indians to get citizenship of India. In this situation, how asylum could be granted to Mohajirs. Mr. Hussain has also made this point before Natwar Singh.

There are several such cases in Delhi and Uttar Pradesh. A Muslim girl of Old Delhi was married to a Pakistani boy, and subsequently became a Pakistani citizen. But after sometime, her husband divorced her, and she returned to India in 1990. Her Indian citizenship has not been restored till now despite all efforts.

Such women are deliberately being denied Indian citizenship. They have to struggle to get the validity-period of their visas to be extended, besides appearing before the local police station now and then. Intelligence agents also keep an eye on Pakistani nationals residing within their area.

The Government of India had virtually kept Altaf Hussain under room-arrest the whole day on November 6, and nobody was allowed to see him or his party men. Various government officials and security men paid visits to him the whole day. While sitting in the lobby of Mauriya Sheraton Hotel, this correspondent saw officials of the Indian intelligence watching every movement of Altaf Hussain.

An official was also posted at the Reception Counter of the hotel who used to ascertain the identity of all visitors for Altaf Hussain. No phone calls were allowed to his room from the Reception. The calls transferred to his room by phone operators were automatically diverted to the voice mailbox provided by the hotel to its guests. Mr. Hussain and his aides were given cellular phones with special numbers.

http://www.satribune.com/archives/nov04/P1_arun4.htm
 

karachi

MPA (400+ posts)
[QUOTE=greywolf;184753]By Arun Rajnath

NEW DELHI, November 8: Somewhat intrigued by the indirect requests and appeals by visiting Pakistani MQM leader, Mr. Altaf Hussain, to grant political asylum to his supporters in India, the Indian Home Ministry has categorically rejected his emotional pleas.

Minister of State for Home Affairs, S. Reghupati told the ‘South Asia Tribune’: “Such proposals are not viable or practical, and Mr. Hussain himself understands it. If we grant asylum to Pakistani Mohajirs (refugees), why not to Bangladeshis? Then we should also cease our actions of identifying illegal migrants from Bangladesh and we should open our doors for every Mohajir, and give them legal status.”

Officials said in his meeting with the Indian Foreign Minister, Natwar Singh, Mr. Hussain requested that his supporters, the Mohajirs, be granted Long Term Visas (LTV) to live in India. He also requested the Indians to show leniency when considering such cases, especially of the Mohajir community, if they are legally entitled to get the Indian citizenship.

Indian analysts are scratching their heads to understand what it was that Mr. Hussain, now a key ally of the military government in Pakistan and having his own nominee as the all powerful Governor of Sindh, was talking about his supporters seeking political asylum in India. Was he expecting another crackdown any time soon?

These analysts think Mr. Hussain’s requests reflected a deep sense of insecurity and lack of confidence in the durability of the present Pakistani set up as Mr. Hussain was not only staying in self-imposed exile himself in UK but was even talking about a large number of his supporters running away from Pakistan to seek asylum in India, as chances of getting asylum in the US and UK had diminished after 9/11.

It may be of interest that during the past crackdowns on MQM in Pakistan, especially during operations launched by the Pakistan Army in the 90s, a huge number of MQM supporters fled the country and took asylum in US and UK, with some of them going to India as well, though there they stayed underground.

An understanding of any sort, if given to Mr. Hussain by the Indians, would result in a huge number of MQM supporters entering India through the large Pak-India border in Sindh and this prospect does not cheer up many in the policy making corridors in New Delhi, analysts say.

Despite being termed as ‘Not War Singh’ by Mr. Hussain, Natwar Singh has given him no assurance of considering his plea to grant LTVs to Mohajirs to entitle them to live here for a longer period.

While talking about the internal conditions in Pakistan with Natwar Singh, Mr. Hussain expressed the desire of several Mohajirs to return to India. He told Mr. Singh the second generation of the Mohajir community was now facing the “acrimonious fruit of the 1947 partition”.

He also recited an Urdu couplet during his interaction with Natwar Singh: ‘Yeh waqt bhi dekha hai taareekh ke safahon ne; Lamhon ne khata ki thi, sadiyon ne sazaa payee’

(Annals of History have witnessed the phenomenon that blunders committed in a short span of time resulted in punishment for centuries)

Foreign Ministry officials told the ‘South Asia Tribune’ Mr. Hussain had also revealed that a large number of his Mohajir community wanted to return to their roots, and most of them wanted their Indian citizenship back.

Though he did not directly request Natwar Singh to “grant asylum” to Mohajirs, he made it clear that this was exactly what he wanted. It would be a great service to humanity to be more lenient towards the Mohajirs. They should be given Long Term Visas, if asylum was a politically incorrect term at this time to use, he pleaded.

Asked to comment on the subject, Secretary, Minority Cell (Congress Party), Meem Afzal had different views: “The new generation of the Pakistan Mohajirs does not wish to re-unite with India or return to their roots. Their counterparts in India also do not wish their relatives to come back from Pakistan to settle down in India. It is just a matter of a few years and after the end of the second generation or Altaf Hussain’s generation, the ghost of nostalgia will just disappear.”

Apart from this some of the Mohajirs were declared ‘dead’ in property documents/papers/ records at the time of the partition by other members of the family to protect their property from being taken over by Indian authorities. Those who stayed behind claimed full inheritance. If they or their children return to India, it would complicate matters a lot.

Mr. Afzal says that it takes 15-20 years for Pakistani women married to Indians to get citizenship of India. In this situation, how asylum could be granted to Mohajirs. Mr. Hussain has also made this point before Natwar Singh.

There are several such cases in Delhi and Uttar Pradesh. A Muslim girl of Old Delhi was married to a Pakistani boy, and subsequently became a Pakistani citizen. But after sometime, her husband divorced her, and she returned to India in 1990. Her Indian citizenship has not been restored till now despite all efforts.

Such women are deliberately being denied Indian citizenship. They have to struggle to get the validity-period of their visas to be extended, besides appearing before the local police station now and then. Intelligence agents also keep an eye on Pakistani nationals residing within their area.

The Government of India had virtually kept Altaf Hussain under ‘room-arrest’ the whole day on November 6, and nobody was allowed to see him or his party men. Various government officials and security men paid visits to him the whole day. While sitting in the lobby of Mauriya Sheraton Hotel, this correspondent saw officials of the Indian intelligence watching every movement of Altaf Hussain.

An official was also posted at the Reception Counter of the hotel who used to ascertain the identity of all visitors for Altaf Hussain. No phone calls were allowed to his room from the Reception. The calls transferred to his room by phone operators were automatically diverted to the voice mailbox provided by the hotel to its guests. Mr. Hussain and his aides were given cellular phones with special numbers.http://www.satribune.com/archives/nov04/P1_arun4.htm[/QUOTE]

The New Bullshit again Greywolf
ap k liye mai inse se zayda nhi bolsakta

Greywolf sahab
(naam to aapne janwaroon ka rakha hai lekin sochte bohat door ki ho)
 
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greywolf

Councller (250+ posts)
^yaar khwamkhwah ghussa ho rahay ho ... main ne kuch naheen likha ... yeh aik indian reporter ne report kiya hai ... source mojood hai ... khud tehqeeq kar lo.
 

karachi

MPA (400+ posts)
^yaar khwamkhwah ghussa ho rahay ho ... main ne kuch naheen likha ... yeh aik indian reporter ne report kiya hai ... source mojood hai ... khud tehqeeq kar lo.

Yaar ap ne INDIA (omg) ka naam le liya ab to Gazoo Bhaia hi deal karaege apse [hilar][hilar]
 

greywolf

Councller (250+ posts)
^ darao to na yaar ... mujhe ummeed hai Gazoo uncle kuch naheen kahen ge mujhe ... LOL !
 

YAHYA87

Senator (1k+ posts)
Bhai loog yahan pay aik cheez jo likhi howi hai k Muhajir dobara Indian citizens banay k khuahishmand hain yeh mujhay mirch masala hi lag rahi hai kyun k yeh baat zaroor hai k Muhajir India ja k apnay heritage ko dekhnay k khuahishmand hain bilkul isi tarhan jis tarhan Indian Sindhi aur is k ilawa east Punjab mai rehnay walay loog apnay heritage ko dekhnay k khuahishmand hain lakin citizenship ka koi aisi soch nahi hai aur yeh mujhay lagta hai pori ki pori report koi Pakistan k khilaf propaganda karnay ka aik aur naya tareeqa hai jo Indian media karta hai....

Mujhay aik baat samajh nahi aai jis nay yeh sab post kia hai uski k waisay tu Indian media Pakistan k baray mai jo kuch bhi likhay jhoot hai aur propaganda hai lakin jab MQM ki bari aai tu yeh automatically Sach kaisay ho gaya/ho Jata hai????
 

ALI ARYAN

Senator (1k+ posts)
If this indian reporters report is correct than we have to believe on all indian media reports.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Yaar ap ne INDIA (omg) ka naam le liya ab to Gazoo Bhaia hi deal karaege apse [hilar][hilar]

Woh waqt door naheen jub Sikhs will run from India and specially from the Indian army and asks for asylum in Pakistan and, if I am the Director at that time, I shall be gladly obliged to that. Then start the process for the new country called Khalistan consisting of Indian Punjab. InshaAllah
 

munaybhai

Councller (250+ posts)
Absolute Nonsense Ridiculous Bullshit Report Posted by Some Idiot from Jamat-e-Islami or PTI
 

digitalzygot

Senator (1k+ posts)
I have no doubts that AH is a snake and a traitor but this thing that all Muhajirs want to go back...that's all crap and Indian propaganda I know dozens of Muhajirs they are happy and are proud to be a part of Pakistan and their elders have given so many sacrifices to be in Pakistan. Another Indian BS
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
By Arun Rajnath

NEW DELHI, November 8: Somewhat intrigued by the indirect requests and appeals by visiting Pakistani MQM leader, Mr. Altaf Hussain, to grant political asylum to his supporters in India, the Indian Home Ministry has categorically rejected his emotional pleas.

Minister of State for Home Affairs, S. Reghupati told the ‘South Asia Tribune’: “Such proposals are not viable or practical, and Mr. Hussain himself understands it. If we grant asylum to Pakistani Mohajirs (refugees), why not to Bangladeshis? Then we should also cease our actions of identifying illegal migrants from Bangladesh and we should open our doors for every Mohajir, and give them legal status.”

Officials said in his meeting with the Indian Foreign Minister, Natwar Singh, Mr. Hussain requested that his supporters, the Mohajirs, be granted Long Term Visas (LTV) to live in India. He also requested the Indians to show leniency when considering such cases, especially of the Mohajir community, if they are legally entitled to get the Indian citizenship.

Indian analysts are scratching their heads to understand what it was that Mr. Hussain, now a key ally of the military government in Pakistan and having his own nominee as the all powerful Governor of Sindh, was talking about his supporters seeking political asylum in India. Was he expecting another crackdown any time soon?

These analysts think Mr. Hussain’s requests reflected a deep sense of insecurity and lack of confidence in the durability of the present Pakistani set up as Mr. Hussain was not only staying in self-imposed exile himself in UK but was even talking about a large number of his supporters running away from Pakistan to seek asylum in India, as chances of getting asylum in the US and UK had diminished after 9/11.

It may be of interest that during the past crackdowns on MQM in Pakistan, especially during operations launched by the Pakistan Army in the 90s, a huge number of MQM supporters fled the country and took asylum in US and UK, with some of them going to India as well, though there they stayed underground.

An understanding of any sort, if given to Mr. Hussain by the Indians, would result in a huge number of MQM supporters entering India through the large Pak-India border in Sindh and this prospect does not cheer up many in the policy making corridors in New Delhi, analysts say.

Despite being termed as ‘Not War Singh’ by Mr. Hussain, Natwar Singh has given him no assurance of considering his plea to grant LTVs to Mohajirs to entitle them to live here for a longer period.

While talking about the internal conditions in Pakistan with Natwar Singh, Mr. Hussain expressed the desire of several Mohajirs to return to India. He told Mr. Singh the second generation of the Mohajir community was now facing the “acrimonious fruit of the 1947 partition”.

He also recited an Urdu couplet during his interaction with Natwar Singh: ‘Yeh waqt bhi dekha hai taareekh ke safahon ne; Lamhon ne khata ki thi, sadiyon ne sazaa payee’

(Annals of History have witnessed the phenomenon that blunders committed in a short span of time resulted in punishment for centuries)


Foreign Ministry officials told the ‘South Asia Tribune’ Mr. Hussain had also revealed that a large number of his Mohajir community wanted to return to their roots, and most of them wanted their Indian citizenship back.

Though he did not directly request Natwar Singh to “grant asylum” to Mohajirs, he made it clear that this was exactly what he wanted. It would be a great service to humanity to be more lenient towards the Mohajirs. They should be given Long Term Visas, if asylum was a politically incorrect term at this time to use, he pleaded.

Asked to comment on the subject, Secretary, Minority Cell (Congress Party), Meem Afzal had different views: “The new generation of the Pakistan Mohajirs does not wish to re-unite with India or return to their roots. Their counterparts in India also do not wish their relatives to come back from Pakistan to settle down in India. It is just a matter of a few years and after the end of the second generation or Altaf Hussain’s generation, the ghost of nostalgia will just disappear.”

Apart from this some of the Mohajirs were declared ‘dead’ in property documents/papers/ records at the time of the partition by other members of the family to protect their property from being taken over by Indian authorities. Those who stayed behind claimed full inheritance. If they or their children return to India, it would complicate matters a lot.

Mr. Afzal says that it takes 15-20 years for Pakistani women married to Indians to get citizenship of India. In this situation, how asylum could be granted to Mohajirs. Mr. Hussain has also made this point before Natwar Singh.

There are several such cases in Delhi and Uttar Pradesh. A Muslim girl of Old Delhi was married to a Pakistani boy, and subsequently became a Pakistani citizen. But after sometime, her husband divorced her, and she returned to India in 1990. Her Indian citizenship has not been restored till now despite all efforts.

Such women are deliberately being denied Indian citizenship. They have to struggle to get the validity-period of their visas to be extended, besides appearing before the local police station now and then. Intelligence agents also keep an eye on Pakistani nationals residing within their area.

The Government of India had virtually kept Altaf Hussain under ‘room-arrest’ the whole day on November 6, and nobody was allowed to see him or his party men. Various government officials and security men paid visits to him the whole day. While sitting in the lobby of Mauriya Sheraton Hotel, this correspondent saw officials of the Indian intelligence watching every movement of Altaf Hussain.

An official was also posted at the Reception Counter of the hotel who used to ascertain the identity of all visitors for Altaf Hussain. No phone calls were allowed to his room from the Reception. The calls transferred to his room by phone operators were automatically diverted to the voice mailbox provided by the hotel to its guests. Mr. Hussain and his aides were given cellular phones with special numbers.

http://www.satribune.com/archives/nov04/P1_arun4.htm

The Link is not Working.

Actually there exist no Website with the domain www.satribune.com

Is it a fabricated Report and fabricated Website in order to make Propaganda Attack upon MQM?
 
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barhaich

Senator (1k+ posts)
BULLSHIT!

I know many 'mohajirs' of Karachi that would rather die in Pakistan than frekkin live in India.
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The report is itself a Lie and fabricated about asylum.

The whole theory of this asylum is fabricated upon that part of Speech of Altaf Hussain in India, where he said that both India and Pakistan are TWO REALITIES now and they have to accept each other openly, forget their enmities and work for peace and betterment of their People. And then he said that "Division of Blood (Muslim Blood)" took place and if father and Mother is in India then Daughter and son is in Pakistan. Therefore if some one want to go back to his Parents and relatives and old house, then he right to return to his parents and relatives should be given.

Actually this part of his speech has been dealt at www.mqmpakistani.com article (link to article) about his complete speech. A paragraph from it is as under:


اور جو انڈین مسلمان پاکستان بننے کے وقت ہجرت کر کے پاکستان آئے، انکے آدھے آدھے خاندان، زمینیں اور جائیدادیں ابھی تک انڈیا میں موجود ہیں۔ اگر الطاف حسین انڈیا سے کہے کہ ان میں سے جو لوگ واپس انڈیا اپنے رشتے داروں کے پاس جانا چاہیں تو انڈیا انہیں اسکی اجازت دے، تو اس میں پاکستان سے غداری والی کون سی بات ہے؟

یہ بتلائیے کہ اچھے مستقبل کے لیے ہزاروں لاکھوں پاکستان یورپ اور امریکہ ہجرت کرتے ہیں۔ تو کیا یہ سب کے سب پاکستان کے غدار ہیں؟ یا یہ کہ یورپ و امریکہ ہجرت کرنا تو حلال ہے، مگر انڈیا اپنے رشتے داروں میں جانا حرام کام اور پاکستان سے غداری ہے؟

یاد رکھئیے الطاف بھائی پاکستان کو توڑنے کی بات نہیں کر رہے، بلکہ انسانیت کی بات کر رہے ہیں کہ انڈیا کو اب یہ حقیقت قبول کر لینی چاہیے کہ انڈیا اور پاکستان دو علیحدہ علیحدہ ملک اور حقیقتیں ہیں اور انہیں ایک دوسرے کو دل سے تسلیم کر لینا چاہیے اور اس لڑائی جنگوں سے نجات حاصل کر کے امن اور ترقی کی راہیں اس خطے میں اپنی غریب عوام کے لیے کھولنی چاہیے ہیں۔ اور اسکے ساتھ ساتھ جن لوگوں کے لیے پاکستان کا قیام خون کی تقسیم ثابت ہوا، اور وہ اپنے رشتے داروں میں واپس جانا چاہیں، تو انسانیت کہتی ہے کہ ہر انسان کو اس چیز کا حق ہونا چاہیے۔

Actually the person who fabricated this article, he also had to hint it about it that it was not asylum, when he writes:

Though he did not directly request Natwar Singh to grant asylum to Mohajirs, he made it clear that this was exactly what he wanted. It would be a great service to humanity to be more lenient towards the Mohajirs. They should be given Long Term Visas, if asylum was a politically incorrect term at this time to use, he pleaded.​
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
BULLSHIT!

I know many 'mohajirs' of Karachi that would rather die in Pakistan than frekkin live in India.

YES you are absolutely right. We, three brothers living in Canada, wanted to sponsor our only sister and her children. She said: I was raised in Pak (born in India before 1947) and I will die in Pakistan. If you want to live in kafir country, you can, but I want my grave in Karachi

And she did find a grave in Karachi, she passed on last year and buried in Khamosh colony, Karachi
So you are right. This was the jazba of a true Pakistani, cant beat that
 

sok

Senator (1k+ posts)
Well what's wrong with that. We know Muhajirs are the one who do Hijrat and then eventually go back. Look at the Muhajareen of Makkah. So if Altaf Bhai and his followers want to go back they are more than welcome. Guys Pakistan doesn't need you and by the looks of the above article, neither does India. Dhobi ka ***** na ghar ka na ghaat ka
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Well what's wrong with that. We know Muhajirs are the one who do Hijrat and then eventually go back. Look at the Muhajareen of Makkah. So if Altaf Bhai and his followers want to go back they are more than welcome. Guys Pakistan doesn't need you and by the looks of the above article, neither does India. Dhobi ka ***** na ghar ka na ghaat ka

(clap)(clap)(clap) wonderfully said
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I have no doubts that AH is a snake and a traitor but this thing that all Muhajirs want to go back...that's all crap and Indian propaganda I know dozens of Muhajirs they are happy and are proud to be a part of Pakistan and their elders have given so many sacrifices to be in Pakistan. Another Indian BS

The point is not if all muhajirs want to go back to india, I do not ever and my parents are muhajirs, but the point is what Mr. AH said there and asked from the indian government. This is where the muhajirs who disagree with AH ideas need to speak their mind openly. That is if they can!
 

YAHYA87

Senator (1k+ posts)
One thing I dont understand here is that hen Indian media is quoted it becomes propaganda and lie against Pakistan but when it comes to MQM it automatically becomes truth...Kia yeh khula tazaad nahi???
 

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