Point Blank ? Muta in Islam - Part 2 Added now[MERGED]

Adeel

Founder
Point Blank ? 28th September 2009
Alama Ibtisam Elahi, javed Ahmed and Alama Rashid Saqib in fresh episode of Point Blank & discusses current issues with Mubashir Luqman.

PART ONE

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PART TWO


Point Blank 29th September 2009
Alama Abdul jalil Naqvi, Hafiz Tahir and Rafay Alam in fresh episode of Point Blank & discusses current issues with Mubashir Luqman.

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patriot

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009

Salamun Alykum.

The Quran does not recognize "Mutah","Misyar" or so called "temporary Marriage". I would like to use the term "false Marriage" for "Mutah" or "Misyar", since it is clearly intended to cheat the society in the name of Islam to legalize prostitution. Some people use this method to obtain green card in the USA.

Unlike Mutah, Marriage is intended to be a long term relationship as we understand from many verses of the Quran:

[16:72] And God made for you spouses from among yourselves, and produced for you from your spouses children and grandchildren, and provided you with good provisions. Should they believe in falsehood, and turn unappreciative of God's blessings?

[30:21] Among His proofs is that He created for you spouses from among yourselves, in order to have tranquility and contentment with each other, and He placed in your hearts love and care towards spouses. In this, there are sufficient proofs for people who think.

[42:11] Initiator of the heavens and the earth. He created for you from among yourselves spouses - and also for the animals. He thus provides you with the means to multiply. There is nothing that equals Him. He is the Hearer, the Seer.

[2:223] Your women are the bearer of your seed. Thus, you may enjoy this privilege however you like, so long as you maintain righteousness. You shall observe God, and know that you will meet Him. Give good news to the believers.

[4:35] If a couple fears separation, you shall appoint an arbitrator from his family and an arbitrator from her family; if they decide to reconcile, God will help them get together . God is Omniscient, Cognizant.

[2:226] Those who intend to divorce their wives shall wait four months (cooling off); if they change their minds and reconcile, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.
[2:227] If they go through with the divorce, then God is Hearer, Knower.

[65:2] Once the interim is fulfilled, you may reconcile with them equitably, or go through with the separation equitably. You shall have two equitable witnesses witness the divorce before God. This is to enlighten those who believe in God and the Last Day. Anyone who reverence God, He will create an exit for him.

[4:24] Also prohibited are the women who are already married, unless they flee their disbelieving husbands who are at war with you. These are God's commandments to you. All other categories are permitted for you in marriage, so long as you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain your morality, by not committing adultery. Thus, whoever you like among them, you shall pay them the dowry decreed for them. You commit no errors by mutually agreeing to any adjustments to the dowry. God is Omniscient. Most Wise.

[4:25] Those among you who cannot afford to marry free believing women, may marry believing slave women. God knows best about your belief, and you are equal to one another, as far as belief is concerned. You shall obtain permission from their guardians before you marry them, and pay them their due dowry equitably. They shall maintain moral behavior, by not committing adultery, or having secret lovers. Once they are freed through marriage, if they commit adultery, their punishment shall be half of that for the free women. Marrying a slave shall be a last resort for those unable to wait. To be patient is better for you. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[60:10] O you who believe, when believing women (abandon the enemy and) ask for asylum with you, you shall test them. God is fully aware of their belief. Once you establish that they are believers, you shall not return them to the disbelievers. They are not lawful to remain married to them, nor shall the disbelievers be allowed to marry them. Give back the dowries that the disbelievers have paid. You commit no error by marrying them, so long as you pay them their due dowries. Do not keep disbelieving wives (if they wish to join the enemy). You may ask them for the dowry you had paid, and they may ask for what they paid. This is God's rule.; he rules among you. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.

Marriage is intended to be a long term relationship and the Quran discourages divorce:

[4:35] If a couple fears separation, you shall appoint an arbitrator from his family and an arbitrator from her family; if they decide to reconcile, God will help them get together . God is Omniscient, Cognizant.

[2:226] Those who intend to divorce their wives shall wait four months (cooling off); if they change their minds and reconcile, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.
[2:227] If they go through with the divorce, then God is Hearer, Knower.

[65:2] Once the interim is fulfilled, you may reconcile with them equitably, or go through with the separation equitably. You shall have two equitable witnesses witness the divorce before God. This is to enlighten those who believe in God and the Last Day. Anyone who reverence God, He will create an exit for him.

[2:229] Divorce may be retracted twice. The divorced woman shall be allowed to live in the same home amicably, or leave it amicably. It is not lawful for the husband to take back anything he had given her. However, the couple may fear that they may transgress GOD's law. If there is fear that they may transgress GOD's law, they commit no error if the wife willingly gives back whatever she chooses. These are GOD's laws; do not transgress them. Those who transgress GOD's laws are the unjust.

Marriage is intended to be a long term relationship and the Quran discourages dissolving existing marriage even it is unlawful:

[4:22] Do not marry the women who were previously married to your fathers - existing marriages are exempted and shall not be broken - for it is a gross offense, and an abominable act.

[4:23] Prohibited for you (in marriage) are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, the sisters of your fathers, the sisters of your mothers, the daughters of your brother, the daughters of your sister, your nursing mothers, the girls who nursed from the same woman as you, the mothers of your wives, the daughters of your wives with whom you have consummated the marriage - if the marriage has not been consummated, you may marry the daughter. Also prohibited for you are the women who were married to your genetic sons. Also, you shall not be married to two sisters at the same time - but do not break up existing marriages. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

Unlike Marriage, Mutah is fabricated only for the purpose of sexual need as understood from the following Bukhari hadith falsely attributed to the Prophet:

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139:
Narrated Abdullah:

We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet ). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you."

Now please compare the above fabricated hadith of Bukhari with the following best hadith of the Prophet:

[5:87] O you who believe, do not prohibit good things that are made lawful by GOD, and do not aggress; GOD dislikes the aggressors.
[5:88] And eat from the good and lawful things that GOD has provided for you. You shall reverence GOD, in whom you are believers.

Sadly, Islamic scholars interpret the above verse 5:87 in the light of the Bukhari hadith, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139 stated above and justify Mutah or " false marriage" to cheat the society in the name of Islam to legalize prostitution!!!

[24:33] Those who cannot afford to get married shall maintain morality until GOD provides for them from His grace. Those among your servants who wish to be freed in order to marry, you shall grant them their wish, once you realize that they are honest. And give them from GOD's money that He has bestowed upon you. You shall not force your girls to commit prostitution, seeking the materials of this world, if they wish to be chaste. If anyone forces them, then GOD, seeing that they are forced, is Forgiver, Merciful.

[31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

Thank you and may God guide us,
 

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

Religion = Hypocrisy

1. This program should be compulsory viewing for children.

2. Children should know that the ideology that is being pushed down their throats is not perfect, open to interpretation, is abused and is used by the strong to subjugate and oppress the weak.

3. Children should be told that it is their duty and right to question religion and these so called scholars.
They should not believe anything without critically analysing it.
 
A

Admin

Guest
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

contra said:
Religion = Hypocrisy

1. This program should be compulsory viewing for children.

2. Children should know that the ideology that is being pushed down their throats is not perfect, open to interpretation, is abused and is used by the strong to subjugate and oppress the weak.

3. Children should be told that it is their duty and right to question religion and these so called scholars.
They should not believe anything without critically analysing it.
Contra you need to shut up because you have no clue what you are talking about
 

mazharjp

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

@Admin

enough is enough...... by saying just...... SHUT UP.... is not enough.
people like contra should not allow on this site to play with the sentiment of Muslim Faith.
 
A

Admin

Guest
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

mazharjp said:
@Admin

enough is enough...... by saying just...... SHUT UP.... is not enough.
people like contra should not allow on this site to play with the sentiment of Muslim Faith.


I agree with you. He has been warned several times. Now banned for a few weeks until he fixes himself up
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

Contra brother,

I find it to be real Double Standards from the Human Right Activists to declare Misyaar to be In-human, or an abuse from the stronger towards the weak.

Actually, Misyaar is very much of what is practised in the WEST in name of "Freedom & Liberty of Choice".

Is it not so that in WEST both Man and Woman are allowed to have such type of "Temporary" relationship?

If yes, then what is the difference?
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

Dear admin
Assalam-o-alaikum.
I have not seen this program, but after reading the comments i understand what it is...
I can only request that dont bann contra.. He may be wrong most of the times & he makes us angry, but it is our duty to explain to them with logic & hikmat.. If some anchor is delibrately exposing v sensitive issues which are openly rejected by most of us.. why not bann his programs on this forum, & ahead we can start a complaint or protest against this channel & anchor (MQM & QADIANI PROBLEM & NOW THIS)... My point is that if we are washing our clothes in front of all then every one (like contra) have to express his/her views.. Again i emphasise this point that ISLAM IS DEEN (RELIGION) OF FITRAT or (NATURE).. If MUTAH is allowed as per this hadith (which i am sure is wrong) then test is on your self.. Will u allow your sister to be in agreement (temporary marriage) with any other man for limited time (say three months or four months).. I dont think so.. Meanwhile i am trying to get as much info on that topic, which is mostly common in SHIA FACT (as per my poor knowledge) forgive me if i have hurt any one... These kind of misconceptions should be cleared in public or in perosn by ULEMA HAQUE thats their duty..
Again to my point, just dont bann him, give him warning for sure.. I hope u will get my point & waiting for positive response..
Jaza-k-ALLAH for making & running so wonderful & fruitful site.. Thanks to all of your moderators also.. Please Abbasi bhai i think u can convince mr admin on points after reading my points..
Lots of JAZA-k-ALLAH to u guys.. :-)
May ALLAH safe us from all fitnas including DAJJAL...
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

Mutah: It's not a difference of Opinion between Shias & Sunnies, but origins of this difference lies among the Sahaba

Brother Patriot,

You wrote against Mutah and claimed it to be Zina. But brother, you must be knowing that there is a huge difference of Opinion upon this Issue (and I am not talking about Difference between Shia & Sunni, but the difference of Opinion is among the Very 1st generation of Sahaba.... in exact words "The Kabaar Sahaba").

So, we should not indulge in Sectarian Issues like Shia/Sunni, but to accept all the Views which are transmitted to us from Rasool Allah (saw).

There were only 6 Jurist Great Sahaba, and Ibn Abbas was one of them and whole community used to go to him for asking the Religious Rulings (just like Hadhrat Aisha). And not only Ibn Abbas, but all his disciples (like Ibn Jareeh etc.) issued fatwas in favour of Mutah Marriage & due to their influence, whole Ahl-e-Makka practised Muttah marriage.


Difference between Zina and Muttah Marriage


Once again, we are not going to indulge in the discussion of Right or Wrong about Muttah as it is a FIQH Issue and we have to avoid the Sectarian Issue, but still it would be good if people get the real introduction of things instead of having the Mis-understandings, while at end it brings wrong name to Sahabiaat who did Mutah with permission of Rasool Allah (saw) till 7th or 8th Hijri.


1. Mutah has all the Rules/Regulations as are present in Nikah marriage except for only one thing & that is having Talaaq after stipulated period.

2. For example, Muttah could only be done with Women who are not related by Blood or by Milking (just like in Nikah Marraige there is complete list of which women are allowed and which are not)
But in Zina, there is no such thing and people do Zina even with their own daughters & sisters (welcome to Western Soceity)

3. Mutah could only be done with a Woman who has already passed her Iddah Period and now she is Pak (pure). And after completing the Mutah Period, once again woman has to undergo the Iddah Period (just like Nikah)
While in Zina, a woman is doing sex with different Men throughout a day and some times doing the Group Sex.
Hope you understand this difference.

4. And due to this Iddah Condition, when Child is born, then it is certain who is the Father of a Child (just like NikaH). And this Child belongs to Father (just like Nikah), and this child has all the rights like of inheritance etc. as a child from Nikah marriage)
While in Zina you could not determine who the father is.


So, there is absolutely not difference in Condition between Nikah & Mutah except for having Talaq after stipulated time.
While Zina is all together a different thing.


Some people, in their Sectarian hatred makes Muttah to be Zina. This is very dangerous practice, while all Muslims agree that at least till 7th or 8th Hijri, Sahabiaat and Sahaba did Mutah with the permission/orders of Rasool Allah (saw). So, if we keep on blaming Muttah for Zina, then it would bring very bad name upon these Sahaba/Sahabiaat and Islam.
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

Biomat Brother,

How could this program be banned?
It is talking about those Issues of our Life which are reality. This misyar Marriage is a reality in all the Arab Countries today. This marriage is a Reality in Europe where Muslims earlier used to do FREQUENT Zina, but now doing Misyar Marriage.

Please think about it... if there is any escape from the Reality of Life?

It is just getting the Informations about our life, just like you are trying to get informations about the Muttah Marriage & there is nothing wrong in getting the ILM.
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

Assalam-o-alaikum
Thats my point.. Thanks for pointing out.. Why banning CONTRA for this then??? :o .. Warning is must but should not be banned, this is my point of view..
I think there should be some AALIM or expert of these issues on this forum who can explain to all of us accordint to new technological advancements & current arrival of fitnas.. Thanks for your understanding..
I think the time is coming v near fast, when our ulemas ( some of them) have to come out of their HYPOCRACY & decide all the major & minor differences amongst sects with in sect.. I hope u will understand.. Jaza-k-ALLAH..
May ALLAH forgive me if i have said something wrong.. aamin
 

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

mehwish_ali said:
Contra brother,
I find it to be real Double Standards from the Human Right Activists to declare Misyaar to be In-human, or an abuse from the stronger towards the weak.
Actually, Misyaar is very much of what is practised in the WEST in name of "Freedom & Liberty of Choice".
Is it not so that in WEST both Man and Woman are allowed to have such type of "Temporary" relationship?
If yes, then what is the difference?

mehwish bhai,
1. Misyaar is nothing but prostitution sanctioned by religion.

2. An agreement where there is exchange of money or gifts for sexual intercourse is called prostitution.

3. In the west, if two adults are living together without marriage, such a situation cannot be called or compared to prostitution.

4. However, if a man, married or unmarried, provides a woman with a house and money, and visits her only for sex, then this can be compared to prostitution. But, if a child is born out of this relationship, then the child does have rights, unlike in Misyaar. [The man has to provide for the child, his education etc.]
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

contra said:
mehwish_ali said:
Contra brother,
I find it to be real Double Standards from the Human Right Activists to declare Misyaar to be In-human, or an abuse from the stronger towards the weak.
Actually, Misyaar is very much of what is practised in the WEST in name of "Freedom & Liberty of Choice".
Is it not so that in WEST both Man and Woman are allowed to have such type of "Temporary" relationship?
If yes, then what is the difference?

mehwish bhai,
1. Misyaar is nothing but prostitution sanctioned by religion.

2. An agreement where there is exchange of money or gifts for sexual intercourse is called prostitution.

3. In the west, if two adults are living together without marriage, such a situation cannot be called or compared to prostitution.

4. However, if a man, married or unmarried, provides a woman with a house and money, and visits her only for sex, then this can be compared to prostitution. But, if a child is born out of this relationship, then the child does have rights, unlike in Misyaar. [The man has to provide for the child, his education etc.]


Now I have to disagree with you a lot brother Contra.

1. Misyaar is in no way a Prostitution.
But Prostitution is practised openly & legally in the WEST when poor women from Russian States are smuggled for this Job & all of them have the "Dalal ???? " or complete Mafia who are looking after this business.

2. You wrote: "An agreement where there is exchange of money or gifts for sexual intercourse is called prostitution."
No. Prostitution is when one Girl sleeps with many or has even Group Sex. And therefore when a child is born then no one knows who the father is, and no body is ready to take care of the child.

Prostitution is also to sleep with your father or real brother or Uncle for the Money & there is no Morals & Morality except for having sex (which is Openly & Lawfully practised in the WEST)

3. And in WEST, if girl friend gets a child, then this Child is considered solely of that Woman. If she refuses to name her boy friend as the father, then that boy friend has little chance of having any fatherly rights over his child.

Therefore, the numbers of such children, who don't have any father, is very very high in Western Society. It is due to the reason that mother is sleeping with so many different people (or having group sex Legally) that impossible to recognise who the father was.
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

PS:
1. In Islamic System, a man and woman could do the Misyar Marriage without having to pay to any thing to each other.
So, the money or gifts are not the "MAIN" or "Necessary" condition, but the main & necessary Condition is both man & woman are not blood or milk relatives to each other & other condition is Woman has to be Pure from the earlier marriage through Iddah period, and if child is born, then he has to be get the stipulated Rights from Husband.

So try to understand the difference that these 3 Conditions are MAIN and Necessary and could not be changed, while Gift or Money Condition is extra which could be denied too.


2. And in Western Countries, girl friend and boy friend staying together could also give money & gifts to each other.

In many cases, In western soceity, a girl friend is shifting in the house of boy-friend and it is also a type of money/gift thing. Are you ready to blame it to be Prostitution too?

In many cases girl friend is staying at home & looking after the children of Boy Friend, while boy friend is going for the Job and paying for the House & for the Eating etc. Are you going to label that too as Prostitution?
 
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

Contra
mazharjp said:
@Admin
enough is enough...... by saying just...... SHUT UP.... is not enough.
people like contra should not allow on this site to play with the sentiment of Muslim Faith.

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ABOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH?????? I'm sure your answer is a BIG YES...so what? do you not oppress others when you can? christians and ahmadi-muslim killed in pakistan where were your sentiments then??? we need introspection people, apnay girehbaan main jhank kai daikho

biomat said:
Dear admin
Assalam-o-alaikum.
I have not seen this program, but after reading the comments i understand what it is...
I can only request that dont bann contra.. He may be wrong most of the times & he makes us angry, but it is our duty to explain to them with logic & hikmat..

I agree with you. HE SHOULD NOT BE BANNED. I'm muslim too and dont feel offended
swords can win territories, but not hearts; force can bend heads, but not minds.

mehwish_ali said:
Contra brother,
Actually, Misyaar is very much of what is practised in the WEST in name of "Freedom & Liberty of Choice". where is your proofe? any arguments for your claim?? nutin but false allegations & hostile attitude toward the west. I live in germany but i never heard something like that.

Is it not so that in WEST both Man and Woman are allowed to have such type of "Temporary" relationship? where do you get such kind of bullshit informations? from your jahil mullah? for god sake - pleassseeee stoppp blaming the west for your own bullshit... you are not in the position to compare yourself with the west... you folks still livin in stone age while the west has conquered the moon

MEND YOUR OWN HOUSE FIRST
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

Dear Siasi PIMP
Assalam-o-alaikum.
Now you are talking in same manner as u opposed in your first part.. Dont drag Mullahs in it.. Please note that neither you are expert on Islam nor Contra nor Mehwish.. So admin was right in warning Contra (which i am 100% agreed)..
So i am again warning you pleasantly, that your TONE of writting explains that u are in denial mode, you have not understood what Mehwish is speaking, as she has logic in her point.. By just doing arguments againt arguments will not lead u to right way..
Mehwish is just presenting her case according to her understanding, if you think that she is wrong prove it with solid proofs, not just HIGH TONED sentences.. WE have to see what is basics, the problem, its timing, then u can see its answer in QURAN & HADITH.. The timing of any particular HUKUM or ORDER from ALLAH & Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) is main thing, either it was for that specific time & for specific people or as whole general.. This can be proofed with the help of experts in QURAN & HADITH....
I hope u will understand & next time will reply with some preparation in positive sense that is solid proofs..
Jaza-k-ALLAH
 
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

dear biomat
you and her can have your own opinion but notyour own facts. so dont try to oppose thing on others that you may favour. pelaSE dont feel offended if someone is not agreed with you...
justify wrong with wrong to make it right doesnt make sence to me. its just like EVERYTHING GOOD IS BAD AND EVERYTHING BAD IS GOOD...what a logic :-)
she and teh jahil mullahs trying to justify what is forbbiden in quran and in hadith. read patriots post and I'm quite sure you'll understand
everything you dislike about the west happens in your own country ...if you could i bet you would love to live in the west but you cant if yes then you stil living like a paki in the west...;-)
believe me if homosexuality were allowed in pakistan, pakistan would be a paradise for gays...so much prostitution is gong on in pakistan and again you blame the west for to be promiscuous
what about love merriage? forbbiden in islam? I'm sure its not. hardly a day passes and there is another BREAKING NEWS "we run away from home and now we fear our lives because we want to get love-married..."

in which society do you live? I can tell you are living in a society which do not even recognize your fundamental islamic rights.
 

Adeel

Founder
Point Blank 29th September 2009 - Adults Only(Part two)

Point Blank 29th September 2009
Alama Abdul jalil Naqvi, Hafiz Tahir and Rafay Alam in fresh episode of Point Blank & discusses current issues with Mubashir Luqman.

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abbasiali

Guest
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

..: siasi pimp :.. said:
Contra
mazharjp said:
@Admin
enough is enough...... by saying just...... SHUT UP.... is not enough.
people like contra should not allow on this site to play with the sentiment of Muslim Faith.

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ABOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH?????? I'm sure your answer is a BIG YES...so what? do you not oppress others when you can? christians and ahmadi-muslim killed in pakistan where were your sentiments then??? we need introspection people, apnay girehbaan main jhank kai daikho

biomat said:
Dear admin
Assalam-o-alaikum.
I have not seen this program, but after reading the comments i understand what it is...
I can only request that dont bann contra.. He may be wrong most of the times & he makes us angry, but it is our duty to explain to them with logic & hikmat..

I agree with you. HE SHOULD NOT BE BANNED. I'm muslim too and dont feel offended
swords can win territories, but not hearts; force can bend heads, but not minds.

[quote="mehwish_ali":yx8fzi08]Contra brother,
Actually, Misyaar is very much of what is practised in the WEST in name of "Freedom & Liberty of Choice". where is your proofe? any arguments for your claim?? nutin but false allegations & hostile attitude toward the west. I live in germany but i never heard something like that.

Is it not so that in WEST both Man and Woman are allowed to have such type of "Temporary" relationship? where do you get such kind of bullshit informations? from your jahil mullah? for god sake - pleassseeee stoppp blaming the west for your own bullshit... you are not in the position to compare yourself with the west... you folks still livin in stone age while the west has conquered the moon

MEND YOUR OWN HOUSE FIRST
[/quote:yx8fzi08]
@siasi pimp

In Canada this term known as common law partner, and if you will dig out in Germany, you will find out more or less same term for this kind of relation.
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Point Blank ? 28th September 2009 - Only for Adults

Siasi Pimp,

Are you able to understand the difference between:

1. Legally allowed prostitution/gay activities.
Legally allowed Group Sex activities.
Legally allowed sex with own brothers or father or uncles or nephews or sons (only condition is both of them should be adult)
Legally allowed naked beaches where whole families (mother, father, daughters,sons) go and enjoy themselves.

And between

2. Illegally and hidden prostitution/gay activities which is still crime and if a real Islamic Government comes then it could no longer be practised.


You see, Family system is becoming totally failure in WEST with every passing day due to these activities.

There is no Limit to these things.

For example, in your Germany, it is not allowed to have open SEX on the Roads. But for this Scandinavian Countries cry that Germany doesn't allow the basic Human Rights (Remember having Open Sex on public places is allowed in Scandinavian Countries)


A Strange Law in Germany

I am really concerned about the family laws in Germany.

You know, in Germany a wife could sleep with other person (other than his husband) & have child from him. If her husband is doubtful about that child (for example a child is looking like African black while both husband & wife are White Europeans) that it doesn't belong to him, still he is not allowed to have the Medical Test proving if the child really belongs to him or not. The poor husband has to take care of child as his own Child. Unbelievable but true.

Siasi pimp, Please don't try to start abusing me for bringing the True Facts. Please bring your Arguments if you are truthful.
 

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