Pakistan's economic story in One picture !

[thinking]

I think the solution to a flawed democracy is not doctatorship, it is to bring real democracy. Military never allow d democracy in Pakistan.

But real democracy impossible under current deep rooted Mafias based corrupt System..You need out of the box solution..It's can be a Nation Gov...a directly elected President...a long term care taker Gov..who can cleans up the mess of fraud democracy...if no option is allowed which I mentioned... then we have only one choice left.. Martial Law.... Country should come first then any system..

 

[Vitamin_C]

There are no short cuts to this. Every country went through the same organic process. We have had military dictatorship for most of our history, still same mafias exist still illiteracy exists.

But real democracy impossible under current deep rooted Mafias based corrupt System..You need out of the box solution..It's can be a Nation Gov...a directly elected President...a long term care taker Gov..who can cleans up the mess of fraud democracy...if no option is allowed which I mentioned... then we have only one choice left.. Martial Law.... Country should come first then any system..

 

[PIND-WALA]

Let me say this out loud !

1. YES I AM PROPOGATING THE ARMY BECAUSE ITS MY COUNTRY

2. YES I DONT THINK THE POLITICAL SETUP IN OUR COUNTRY IS BETTER THAN OUR ARMYS GOVERNANCE

3. I THINK OUR ARMY HAS MORE MERIT BECAUSE IT HAS VERY LITTLE CORRUPTION

YES , YES, YES

Thats why i think the Army along with all the Patriots and Imran must bring an Islamic Presidential System in the country

And when army distributing jobs and i centives to all the retired army guys? Without any regard for civilians.

 

[Beef.Bhaijan]

You seem to be doing enough without being on anything, i 'd hate to think what would be the outcome if you did smoke something.

Being brought it doesnt mean one cannot change sides.

So Nawaz Sharif was not brought in by Zia but by international aliens? Whatever you are smoking in I want to try as well.

 

[Beef.Bhaijan]

Pakistan is not Every country. This is a spiritual state founded by Muslims and we have a defined way of doing things proven by well over 1400 years of history . The reason Pakistan is not doing well is because it had lost its spriritual compass following this "democratic BS" out of compulsion since its inception or because it was thrust upon us.

But those days are now fast coming to an end!

And the results are for every one to be seen. Hunger, poverty, corruption, moral degradation is a gift of this decadent and rotten 5000 year old democratic process which cannot fix anything.

It can only make zardaris and madaris and every corrupt scum on earth as our leaders, give us tyranny and every evil on earth possible.

Thanks but EVERY other country can have a go at it, we have made up our mind well.

There are no short cuts to this. Every country went through the same organic process. We have had military dictatorship for most of our history, still same mafias exist still illiteracy exists.

 

[Beef.Bhaijan]

well then you can start holding elections, pumping water out during floods , fighting insurgents in urban areas ...heck even training your cricket teams ...

Everyone is NOT equal , some people work more than others so they deserve MORE incentive.

Thats the basic rule . Dont make this an army versus civilian debate - its common sense. Now GROW-UP !

And when army distributing jobs and i centives to all the retired army guys? Without any regard for civilians.

 

[Vitamin_C]

The reason why Pakistan is not doing well is that military never allowed civilian governments to flourish and poisoned the political sustem with their own appointees like Sharifs and Bhuttos. Stop using political appointees of Ayub, Yahya and Zia as examples of democracy. If you want to compare democracy take proper examples like Scandinavia that have working democracy.

While other countries that were able to establish democratic institutions like South Korea flourishes, Pakistan spiralled down the drain. Everything else you say is superstitious nonsense and is not backed by any evidence.

If it worked for a poor country like South Korea, if it works for Western Europe and Scandinavia then there is no reason for it to not work for Pakistan as well. We have 99.9999999% same DNA, we live on the same planet and same oxygen.

Pakistan is not Every country. This is a spiritual state founded by Muslims and we have a defined way of doing things proven by well over 1400 years of history . The reason Pakistan is not doing well is because it had lost its spriritual compass following this "democratic BS" out of compulsion since its inception or because it was thrust upon us.

But those days are now fast coming to an end!

And the results are for every one to be seen. Hunger, poverty, corruption, moral degradation is a gift of this decadent and rotten 5000 year old democratic process which cannot fix anything.

It can only make zardaris and madaris and every corrupt scum on earth as our leaders, give us tyranny and every evil on earth possible.

Thanks but EVERY other country can have a go at it, we have made up our mind well.

 

[Beef.Bhaijan]

Only a fool can accept this rubbish as to why the nations own army who itself is engaged in fighting an enemy 10 times larger restricted its own government or so called democracy to flourish!

This is nothing more than a ploy to turn the civilians against its own military whilst conveniently diverting the attention from the REAL Establishment and enemies, who have severed Bangladesh from Pakistan, allied with the USSR to take over western Pakistan, and now is causing trouble through the afghanistan frontier once again in its age old ways of turning Pakistan into what they want is a failed state!

Kalbhushan Yadav, abhinandhan, nawaz, zardari and all these other clowns some of them not even apparent are stooges of this establishment and the so called democracy you tout is the tool they use to enslave this nation.

You can continue rapping the same song, but nothing is more powerful than an Idea whose time has come.

No one believes in this 5000 year old decadent and failed both political and economic system.

Today you hear about it in the news, tommorrow things will happen. Just keep on watching !

The result after that will want south korea and these other countries you talk about and many more you dont, wanting to follow what Pakistan does.

QUOTE="Vitamin_C, post: 5354509, member: 28598"]
The reason why Pakistan is not doing well is that military never allowed civilian governments to flourish and poisoned the political sustem with their own appointees like Sharifs and Bhuttos. Stop using political appointees of Ayub, Yahya and Zia as examples of democracy. If you want to compare democracy take proper examples like Scandinavia that have working democracy.

While other countries that were able to establish democratic institutions like South Korea flourishes, Pakistan spiralled down the drain. Everything else you say is superstitious nonsense and is not backed by any evidence.

If it worked for a poor country like South Korea, if it works for Western Europe and Scandinavia then there is no reason for it to not work for Pakistan as well. We have 99.9999999% same DNA, we live on the same planet and same oxygen.
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[Beef.Bhaijan]

Well you can sit and watch us Take a short cut now. While you can continue making organic progress in every other country.....

There are no short cuts to this. Every country went through the same organic process. We have had military dictatorship for most of our history, still same mafias exist still illiteracy exists.

 

[Beef.Bhaijan]

The democratic system can never match a spiritual system. The rottenness of this devastation known as democracy is EVIDENT to the Pakistani Nation and much of the other countries in the world too.

The reason why Pakistan is not doing well is that military never allowed civilian governments to flourish and poisoned the political sustem with their own appointees like Sharifs and Bhuttos. Stop using political appointees of Ayub, Yahya and Zia as examples of democracy. If you want to compare democracy take proper examples like Scandinavia that have working democracy.

While other countries that were able to establish democratic institutions like South Korea flourishes, Pakistan spiralled down the drain. Everything else you say is superstitious nonsense and is not backed by any evidence.

If it worked for a poor country like South Korea, if it works for Western Europe and Scandinavia then there is no reason for it to not work for Pakistan as well. We have 99.9999999% same DNA, we live on the same planet and same oxygen.

 

[PIND-WALA]

well then you can start holding elections, pumping water out during floods , fighting insurgents in urban areas ...heck even training your cricket teams ...

Everyone is NOT equal , some people work more than others so they deserve MORE incentive.

Thats the basic rule . Dont make this an army versus civilian debate - its common sense. Now GROW-UP !

All these are done by civilians all over the world provided they are given an oppertunity and resources. We in Pakistan give too much importance to army even when they dont need it.

 

[Vitamin_C]

You can say what you want the examples of Scandinavia and Western Europe are infront of you. Results speak louder than empty assertions.

The democratic system can never match a spiritual system. The rottenness of this devastation known as democracy is EVIDENT to the Pakistani Nation and much of the other countries in the world too.

 

[PIND-WALA]

While other countries that were able to establish democratic institutions like South Korea flourishes,

I agree with most of your argument but example of South Korea is not correct. They are an occupied country, they have flourished only because of blessings and support of USA.

 

[Beef.Bhaijan]

And the civilian government had 56 billion in the last 20 years ?...why didnt they give you resources ??

Why does the civilian want to go to the UK for a basic medical check up ?

Are you in a straight frame of mind ?...You elect nawaz and zardari and ask for resources from the army ?

You run PCB but want army to train your cricketers ?

Why dont you go ask your corrupt and inept government for everything!

All these are done by civilians all over the world provided they are given an oppertunity and resources. We in Pakistan give too much importance to army even when they dont need it.

 

[PIND-WALA]

And the civilian government had 56 billion in the last 20 years ?...why didnt they give you resources ??

Why does the civilian want to go to the UK for a basic medical check up ?

Are you in a straight frame of mind ?...You elect nawaz and zardari and ask for resources from the army ?

You run PCB but want army to train your cricketers ?

Why dont you go ask your corrupt and inept government for everything!

You can give countless examples of bad behavior of politicians but it does not change the fact that most of the problems the country is facing is because of interference of army in every institution and govt.
Even today , if army backs off and lets the court /NAB decide matters on merit and evidence than country will start getting better. Right now we hear stories of mega corruption every day but no one has been actually punished , why because army likes to use NAB as blackmailing tool . Most of the accused in mega cases are all free.

 

[Beef.Bhaijan]

No no.....let me complete your statement for you.

- It was the Army who asked USSR to invade afghanistan so that it could being a Pakistani Army in Pakistan it would work in Pakistans interest to save its country from an invasion.

- It was Pakistan Army who asked India to invade Bangladesh

- It was Pakistani Army who asked America to invade afghanistan so that it could infiltrate Pakistan through proxies like TTP, PTM and every other alphabet to capture or halt Pakistan's nuclear capability

- It is Pakistan Armys fault that India sends countless Kalbhushan's in baluchistan, karachi, lahore etc so that they can infiltrate every department and sector in Pakistan to further their agenda .

So when the International Enemies plant traitors like madari and noora and other clowns then it is acceptable to people like you, BUT if God forbid, the Pakistani Army works to counter those incursions then they are interfering with the institutions ????

You know Russia's President : Vladimir Putin is an EX-KGB agent - Have you ever heard the russian people say that their Army installed a dictator for life ?

You can give countless examples of bad behavior of politicians but it does not change the fact that most of the problems the country is facing is because of interference of army in every institution and govt.
Even today , if army backs off and lets the court /NAB decide matters on merit and evidence than country will start getting better. Right now we hear stories of mega corruption every day but no one has been actually punished , why because army likes to use NAB as blackmailing tool . Most of the accused in mega cases are all free.

You can say what you want the examples of Scandinavia and Western Europe are infront of you. Results speak louder than empty assertions.

 

[Beef.Bhaijan]

You live in some kind of illusion. SImply having a good pension plan or support network doesnt make a successful nation.

Mental and societal problems are plenty out there along with the lack of spirituality has slowly started to lead the country to a decline in general demographics.

They need an infusion of spiritual people which they are getting again through the muslims !!

Once the spirituality is restored with the right balance then we can say that yes things are better.

You can say what you want the examples of Scandinavia and Western Europe are infront of you. Results speak louder than empty assertions.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Spirituality is personal choice of every person. There is no restrictions on this in Democracy. Everyone is free to go to their mosques, temples and Churches in Sweden. You cannot force anything on any person like ISIS tried to do.

You live in some kind of illusion. SImply having a good pension plan or support network doesnt make a successful nation.

Mental and societal problems are plenty out there along with the lack of spirituality has slowly started to lead the country to a decline in general demographics.

They need an infusion of spiritual people which they are getting again through the muslims !!

Once the spirituality is restored with the right balance then we can say that yes things are better.

 

[PIND-WALA]

No no.....let me complete your statement for you.

- It was the Army who asked USSR to invade afghanistan so that it could being a Pakistani Army in Pakistan it would work in Pakistans interest to save its country from an invasion.

- It was Pakistan Army who asked India to invade Bangladesh

- It was Pakistani Army who asked America to invade afghanistan so that it could infiltrate Pakistan through proxies like TTP, PTM and every other alphabet to capture or halt Pakistan's nuclear capability

- It is Pakistan Armys fault that India sends countless Kalbhushan's in baluchistan, karachi, lahore etc so that they can infiltrate every department and sector in Pakistan to further their agenda .

So when the International Enemies plant traitors like madari and noora and other clowns then it is acceptable to people like you, BUT if God forbid, the Pakistani Army works to counter those incursions then they are interfering with the institutions ????

You know Russia's President : Vladimir Putin is an EX-KGB agent - Have you ever heard the russian people say that their Army installed a dictator for life ?

Guys like Kalbushan in Pakistan is actually a failure of our security apparatus. All other examples you qouted are the world events which do shape up countries path but despite all those , Army has no right to dictate to NAB and courts and use them as blackmail tool.

 

[Beef.Bhaijan]

And europe and the so called scandinavian countries have not flourished because of american securiy ?

I agree with most of your argument but example of South Korea is not correct. They are an occupied country, they have flourished only because of blessings and support of USA.