Pakistan Army at the Gates of Delhi in 1965 War

TONIC

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

Tu fir oohi gallan karandiya ae... Putter answer these 3 question.. dont tell me history my cute little muffin bhateeje.. I have forgotten more history than you'll ever learn. so in order to make your entire argument baseless I just need you to NOW SERIOUSLY answer these 3 questions:

1st: Did Pakistan not take part of Kashmir in 1948
? Did Pakistan not loose half it's country ?
2nd: Did India not invade us in full frontal attack, an overwhelming might of birds in sky & boot on ground, on a much smaller, significantly lesser opponent? regardless of their reason to attack. They did & that's what enemy is supposed to do, isn't it so !!!
3rd: Wasn't it India that seeked ceasefire, despite there was more militia and civilian fighting on both east and west Pakistan than actual army personals?
No, it was Pakistan that started war in 1965 at LOC which later turned in full flesh war, same was repeated in Kargil as we believe that LOC is not permanent border and if we will fight in LOC we won't be required to fight any where else.

I wont indulge you further why theres corruption, why we cant raise Kashmir issue properly or take action against Endia hostility in Baluchistan.. coz those are things once we have right leader can be dealt with mano o mano... just answer my question above & if you prove me wrong, I am a man that loves admitting my flaws and wrongs.

Uncle jee aap jaison nay hee Pakistan ko yahan pohanchaya hai jahan aaj hum hain, aab thoda bachoon say seekh lainay main koi harj naheen hai. Jo cheezain aap loog naheen kar sakay ya jo cheezain aap logoon nay kharab kar deen hain un ko saheeh bhee to karna hai.
 

Respect

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Why did we not go inside delhi in 1965?

There were a few other wars we we got defeated badly, correct me if i am wrong
 

Wayfarer

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Every Pakistani who proudly claims that Pakistan lost all wars against India has definitely a serious inferiority complex or need a reality check. I am not claiming that we won every war but to mention the 1971 war Pakistan army fought gallantly with the little they had against an enemy strength almost 15 times bigger. Their supply line was cut off throughout the whole war which was a big disadvantage. In the first months they fought against a well equipped militia before the Indian army entered the battleground with full force against a weakened Pakistan army. Our soldiers hold the ground. India was not able to capture Dhaka and other major towns were bypassed to avoid further casualties. I salute the sacrifices Pakistan army gave for the motherland. Even the enemy paid tribute to their bravery.

From “tum waha hum jaha” slogans after the election defeat of ZAB till the end of the war it was entirely due to our traitor politicians why Pakistan was cut into two pieces.

In 1965 it was India who run to the UN Security Council and asked them to end the war and it was India who signed the cease-fire resolution 211 first. Pakistan forced India to its knees only the Indian loving Pakistanis claim otherwise.

In Kargil conflict Pakistan army failed its objectives because it was forced to pull back. Nawaz Sharif succumbed to US pressure and ordered a withdrawal. Once again treacherous politicians brought disgrace upon the whole nation. On the other hand India also failed to clear the Kargil sector from Pakistani soldiers. Many peaks deep into IoK in Kargil sector are still under the control of Pakistan army. Does that mean that Pakistan lost the conflict??
 
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Wayfarer

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Pakistan occupying six Indian peaks, claims MP

osy Joseph in New Delhi
Pakistan is occupying at least six strategically located Indian peaks in the Kargil sector along the Line of Control, claimed Rajya Sabha member and senior criminal advocate R K Anand.

Basing his arguments on several documents and "authoritative sources", Anand said on Wednesday that these are strategic peaks from where Pakistani forces have a commanding view of the Srinagar-Leh highway, Drass helipad and several other military installations.
There was no immediate reaction from the army headquarters.

Anand named the Pakistan occupied Indian peaks as: Point 5353 (Map reference: 490644), Point Aftab-I (499642), Point Saddle Ridge (525638), Point Bunker Ridge (548639), Shangruti and Dhalunag.

"Point 5353 is very strategic. In 1992-93, the then corps commander (of India) decided to make a shift pocket on this point and sent personnel there by helicopter. The officers posted there successfully cut off the entire supply to the Pakistani pockets along the LoC for nearly two months," he said. The capture was in retaliation of Pakistani attacks on
several Indian posts including the national highway from Srinagar to Leh.

He said the Indian Army then claimed that point 5353 is "within our LoC and that we have every right to patrol the area." He said this point offers a 40-kilometre view of the Pakistan side and from the Indian side an attack could be launched on Drass and the Drass-Kargil road.

However, in January-February of 1999, Pakistan troops occupied Point 5353, along with several other strategic posts. These intrusions led to last year's Kargil war.
He said Indian troops had tried to capture Point 5353 on May 18, 1999 when army operations were beginning in Operation Vijay in Kargil last year. But it failed.
He said, the operation was carried out by a team of soldiers led by Major Navneet Mehta.

He gave reporters a copy of the two-page report prepared by the young officer for his seniors on the failed operation. In that report the major has explained the reasons why an attack on Point 5353 was difficult. "It is not possible to carry out an assault from the northwestern, western and south western approaches," the officer pointed out.
Anand also made available a wireless message of May 19, 1999 where it says "attack on 5353 called off due to bad weather" and that "13 OR (other ranks) injured in Maj Navneet's Pl (platoon) due to difficult trn (terrain)".

If the army's argument that Point 5353 was never India's is to be accepted, then "why did they launch the attack?" he asked.
Recent media reports about Pakistan occupying Point 5353 on Indian side of LoC was rubbished by the army headquarters and Defence Minister George Fernandes. Both refused to acknowledge that any Indian post is in Pakistani control.

Anand, who was elected to the Upper House as a member of the Jharkhand Mukti Morcha, said, even Parliament has been told that there are no peaks under Pakistani occupation.
He said Point 5353 is "300 to 500 metres inside our territory".

"It looks like our army commanders are wrongly briefing the defence minister," he said when Fernandes' statement was pointed out. "The defence minister mislead Parliament on the basis of the briefing by army officers," Anand said, while demanding action against senior army commanders.
He said the Director General of Military Operations had no idea what was happening along the LoC. Similarly the corps commander during Operation Vijay too had no idea of the dimensions of the Pakistani gameplan. The army chief too is unaware of the situation, he said.
"Instead of holding them responsible, you promote them and give them awards," he said.

Whe asked why the army and government was allowing Pakistan to occupy the peaks, and did not regain it last year, Anand said there were various reasons. "They wanted to finish the war as early as possible as elections were coming. And they thought nobody will come to know," he said.

On the army's reluctance, he said if they launch operations to take back these peaks, there will be a full-fledged war with Pakistan.
However, he said Indian forces should take immediate steps to protect national integrity. Besides, a fact-finding team of five Parliamentarians should be constituted to go to the LoC to verify the facts.

Anand has repeatedly served notices for calling attention motions, special mentions in the Rajya Sabha on these intrusions by Pakistan. But despite repeated attempts the matter was not taken up for discussion, he said.

Anand said he also wrote to Fernandes calling his attention to the matter. But he did not get any reply. The army too has been struggling to convince the media that Pakistan does not occupy even a single post on the Indian side of the LoC. In fact senior army officers have been holding special briefings for select groups of journalists after reports appeared that Point 5353 of India is with Pakistan.

Officials at army headquarters said they were studying Anand's statement.


http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/aug/30josy.htm
 

Wayfarer

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
[h=3]The India-Pakistan War of 1965 (U.S. Department of State)[/h][....]

"After Pakistani troops invaded Kashmir, India moved quickly to internationalize the regional dispute. It asked the United Nations to reprise its role in the First India-Pakistan War and end the current conflict. The Security Council passed Resolution 211 on September 20 calling for an end to the fighting and negotiations on the settlement of the Kashmir problem, and the United States and the United Kingdom supported the UN decision by cutting off arms supplies to both belligerents. This ban affected both belligerents, but Pakistan felt the effects more keenly since it had a much weaker military in caparison to India. The UN resolution and the halting of arms sales had an immediate impact. India accepted the ceasefire on September 21 and Pakistan on September 22."


https://history.state.gov/milestones/1961-1968/india-pakistan-war
 

nazrulislam

MPA (400+ posts)
Uncle jee aap jaison nay hee Pakistan ko yahan pohanchaya hai jahan aaj hum hain, aab thoda bachoon say seekh lainay main koi harj naheen hai. Jo cheezain aap loog naheen kar sakay ya jo cheezain aap logoon nay kharab kar deen hain un ko saheeh bhee to karna hai.


pakistan is full of idiot boasters like zaid hamid lal topi , chacha and others are living in the past ,all talk no work.
 

gorkhali

Banned
Pakistan was not broken by India but by Pakistanis themselves. But we still destroyed your Indian Airforce in 1971. If need be our army would be in Dehli but it was already decided to part with Bangladesh because thats what the Bangladeshis wanted.


pakistan started all wars ,but failed in getting it's any objective achieved . but some of the phenkus here will never learn the lesson even after losing large part of their country.


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laaltopi

Banned
1947 was much sweeter when we broke your Bharat. Remember that!

pakistan
this was the biggest act of favour/kindness jinna did for india , he took away most of the rougue elements and kachra from india ,leaving indians to do some positive developmental work for their country.
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TONIC

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
pakistan is full of idiot boasters like zaid hamid lal topi , chacha and others are living in the past ,all talk no work.

Partially agreed, I personally think everyone has right to have his/her opinion I can keep mine & everyone else can keep theirs I am sure this philosophy can keep world a safer & pageful place.
 

TONIC

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
1947 was much sweeter when we broke your Bharat. Remember that!

I agree with you, 1947 was a year when Pakistan was given to us by Almighty as a blessing but somehow our nincompoop rulers have managed to destroy it. I still remember that till early 90's our society had this mindset where we use to think that we are capable of competing with India in every front but now we have given up, just see recently we all know India is showing aggression but our PM Nawaz doesn't have the balls to stand in front Modi & defend our great country....I don't know what the hell is wrong with our leaders.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Punjabis should stick to their farming and let Pakhtoons Baloch and Rajputs to deal with army and India.

pakistan started all wars ,but failed in getting it's any objective achieved . but some of the phenkus here will never learn the lesson even after losing large part of their country.


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Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
pakistan
this was the biggest act of favour/kindness jinna did for india , he took away most of the rougue elements and kachra from india ,leaving indians to do some positive developmental work for their country.
:biggthumpup:


Good way to hide your humiliation!! I have ever know anyone saying that losing so much land is a good thing:lol: You got owned and pawned!
 

Admiral

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Instead of enforcing own ideas based upon whatsoever information (upon others), give Sam a chance to tell you the first hand truth.


Pakistan was not broken by India but by Pakistanis themselves. But we still destroyed your Indian Airforce in 1971. If need be our army would be in Dehli but it was already decided to part with Bangladesh because thats what the Bangladeshis wanted.

And they were at our Pakistan gate in 1971.we did not capture Delhi but they successfuly broke Pakistan.

Boss!!! also discuss what happened in 1971 and since then.
 

nazrulislam

MPA (400+ posts)
Good way to hide your humiliation!! I have ever know anyone saying that losing so much land is a good thing:lol: You got owned and pawned!

but we were happy to get away for the reasons below.
we learned in a hard way and after a great suffering what harm kachra and rogue elements can inflict on a nation. now we are doing well without west pakistan.
thank god we are apart.
one thing is true pakistanis are famous and pathetic liars up to the brim.they can sell their mothers for dollars.
 
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Farah Qureshi

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Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
but we were happy to get away for the reasons below.
we learned in a hard way and after a great suffering what harm kachra and rogue elements can inflict on a nation. now we are doing well without west pakistan.
thank god we are apart.
one thing is true pakistanis are famous and pathetic liars up to the brim.they can sell their mothers for dollars.

There are plenty of dirty Bangladeshis in the world whose women work as prostitutes all over so if we sell our women then so do you. In the UK you dirty people live in gutters and the worst places like Isle of Dogs and Tower Hamlets. We are a nuke power where as you are nothing, come to think of it there are many Pakistanis like I who don't give a rats *** about smelly Bangladesh, our territory is must larger. Saying that 1947 was a victory for us does not mean we are crying over 1971...most Pakistanis do not even want Bangladesh back so you are welcome to your $hithole of a country.

You little people are famous for being "freshies" as we call you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKpiHx-uedM are you selling your women! It has been a while since I was here on this site so forgot how much fun it was kicking the *** of pan chewing little monkeys with red teeth, green lips and greasy hair smelling of raw fish dressed in a dirty vest and stinky lungi! Freshies and G@ndustanis beware as well that I am back!
 
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nazrulislam

MPA (400+ posts)
There are plenty of dirty Bangladeshis in the world whose women work as prostitutes all over so if we sell our women then so do you. In the UK you dirty people live in gutters and the worst places like Isle of Dogs and Tower Hamlets. We are a nuke power where as you are nothing, come to think of it there are many Pakistanis like I who don't give a rats *** about smelly Bangladesh, our territory is must larger. Saying that 1947 was a victory for us does not mean we are crying over 1971...most Pakistanis do not even want Bangladesh back so you are welcome to your $hithole of a country.

You little people are famous for being "freshies" as we call you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKpiHx-uedM are you selling your women! It has been a while since I was here on this site so forgot how much fun it was kicking the *** of pan chewing little monkeys with red teeth, green lips and greasy hair smelling of raw fish dressed in a dirty vest and stinky lungi! Freshies and G@ndustanis beware as well that I am back!


don't be silly rat's arzehole ,
i am not talking about prostitutes , americans were talking about your mothers , pakistanis can sell for dollars . go and ask them ,they give you dollars .
i don't want to go in detail about dirty addicted gay exploding pakis how they are looked upon world over .

ha ha ha idiot's bottom is burning like anything
we are happy we got rid of you dark hrearted killers
 
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