Pakistan: a deeply divided state

Doctorplato

Councller (250+ posts)
"Islam created Pakistan, but it now divides Pakistan. Fuelled by ideological passions, diverse social and religious Muslim forma­tions have developed in different parts of the country. They often have divergent goals, and are often pathologically violent. Some target the American empire, and are hence attractive for Al Qaida type groups. Others have less ambitious goals. Several focus on “liberating” Kashmir. Still others, such as Lashkar-i-Jhangvi and Sipah-e-Sa­haba, would like to eliminate Pakistani Shias. The Khatm-e-Nabuhat declares that it will physically exterminate the Qadi­anis, a sect that it considers heretical.Pakistan’s Christian, Hindu, and other re­ligious minorities cower in fear. The rich among them have mostly fled the country.
Since the early 1980s crusade against Soviet Russia,Pakistanhas morphed into a central hub attracting a multitude of Islamists from Europe to west and central Asia to Indonesia. But Jihadistan is now a hugely messy place, not the bastion of anti-communism and anti-atheism that it once was. Even those workers who helped to create it – like the famous Colonel Imam and Major Khalid Khwaja – ended up los­ing their lives.
Religion deeply divides the Pakistan military. Perhaps it might be more accu­rate to think of it as two militaries. The first is headed by General Kayani. It seeks to maintain the status quo and the army’s pre-eminence in making national deci­sions. The second is Allah’s army. This awaits a leader even as it launches attacks on Pakistani military installations, bases, top-level officers, soldiers, public places, mosques, and police stations. Soldiers have been encouraged to turn their guns on to their colleagues, troops have been tricked into ambushes, and high-level officers have been assassinated. Allah’s army hopes to launch its final blitzkrieg once the state of Pakistan has been sufficiently weakened by such attacks.
What separates Army-One and ISI-One from Army-Two and ISI-Two? This may not be immediately evident. Both were reared on the Two-Nation Theory, the belief of Mohammed Ali Jinnah, that Hindus and Muslims could never live together in peace. Both are thoroughly steeped in anti- Indianism since their early days in army cadet colleges at Petaro and Hasan Abdal. They also share a deep-rooted contempt for Pakistani civilians. This attitude has resulted in roughly half of Pakistan’s his­tory being that of direct military rule.
Still, they are not the same. The One’ers are “soft Islamists” who are satisfied with a fuzzy belief that Islam provides solutions to everything, that occasional prayers and ritual fasting in Ramzan is sufficient, and that Sufis and Shias are bona fide Muslims rather than mushriks or apostates. They are not particularly interested in defend­ing the Sunni states of Saudi Arabia, Bah­rain, or the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC). But should a lucrative overseas posting come the way of an individual sol­dier or officer, well, that may be another matter. While having a dislike of US poli­cies, they are not militantly anti-US.
Army-Two and ISI-Two, on the other hand, are soldier ideologues who have travelled further down the road of Islamism. Large numbers of them regular­ly travel to Raiwind, the headquarters of the Tablighi Jamaat, a supposedly non-political religious organisation which has a global proselytising mission and whose preachers are allowed open access into the army. The Two’ers are stricter in mat­ters of religious rituals, they insist that officers and their wives be segregated at army functions. They keep an eye out for officers who secretly drink alcohol, and how often they pray. Their political phi­losophy is that Islam and the State should be inseparable. Inspired by Maulana Abul Ala Maududi, who preached that seventh century Arab Islam provides a complete blueprint for society and politics, they see capturing state power as a means towards creating the ideal society along the lines of the medieval Medina state. Many Two’ers are beardless, hence hard to de­tect. They are fundamentally anti-science but computer savvy. For them, modern technology is a tool of battle.
Like the proverbial ostrich, the One’ers fiercely defend the myth of army unity. They dismiss mutineers as isolated indi­viduals. Mumtaz Qadri, the renegade bodyguard who murdered Punjab Gover­nor Salman Taseer out of religious passion, is an inconvenient aberration to be dis­missed from consideration. Today’s reli­gious terrorism is trivialised as a passing threat notwithstanding the fact that it has claimed more Pakistani lives than lost in all wars with India. Instead, anger is reserved for those who state the obvious truth that Pakistan is in a state of civil war.
An outstanding investigative journalist, Saleem Shahzad, who revealed the exist­ence of Al Qaida groupings within the Paki­stan Navy after the Mehran base attack in the first part of an Asia Times article series, provides a tragic example. The part-two of his series was never published because it had promised to reveal similar cells in the army and air force. Shahzad was tortured and kicked to death after being abducted from one of the most secure parts of Islam­abad. His mobile phone records are said to be untraceable, and tapes of closed circuit cameras around the abduction area went mysteriously missing. If true, then his mur­der could not be the work of hunted organi­sations like the Pakistani Taliban or Al Qaida. But was it ISI-One or ISI-Two? Or some still more deeply hidden military agency? The truth may never be known." Pervez Hoodbhoy

http://mintopark.com/2011/07/08/pakistanarmy/
 
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ASQR1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
When a Nation is facing such disruptive forces than those in Religious and political Authorities wake up and take the bull by the horn, But alas in the case of Pakistan, our Mufti-E-Azam is scared of his life and does not speak the truth less some one might not like it, our leaders are corrupt and hide behind elaborate security and entourage of 100 cars.

Allah S.W.T. has created Pakistan and he will protect it, and the Only light at the end of tunnel I see is P.T.I.
 
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hans

Banned
Here are few of lines from Adolf Hitler. All you need to do is change a few word here and there, and see how close our though process is ....
Since our conception as a nation we have walked the walk, where only nation destine for self destruction chose to set its footing.

The earth continues to go round, whether its the man who kills the tiger or the tiger who eats the man. The stronger asserts his will, its the law of nature. The world doesnt change; its laws are eternal.

The heaviest blow which ever struck humanity was Christianity; Bolshevism is Christianitys illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew.

The internal expurgation of the Jewish spirit is not possible in any platonic way. For the Jewish spirit as the product of the Jewish person. Unless we expel the Jewish people. Unless we expel the Jewish people soon, they will have judaized our people within a very short time.

The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision.

They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.

The struggle for world domination will be fought entirely between us, between Germans and Jews. All else is facade and illusion......"
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
"Islam created Pakistan, but it now divides Pakistan. .............................................................................. ............... But was it ISI-One or ISI-Two? Or some still more deeply hidden military agency? The truth may never be known." Pervez Hoodbhoy

http://mintopark.com/2011/07/08/pakistanarmy/

Pakistan is suffering from the worst kind of problems. But the causes of the problem identified are so rubbish that only a Liberal enlightened Fascist stooge like Parvaiz Yahood Bhai can do that. The propaga.nda goons like the poster and promoters of are gnawing this country alive on the orders of their masters for few bucks and to enjoy the life of condemned sex and drug parties. Shame on U morons.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
"islam created pakistan, but it now divides pakistan. Fuelled by ideological passions, diverse social and religious muslim forma*tions have developed in different parts of the country. They often have divergent goals, and are often pathologically violent. Some target the american empire, and are hence attractive for al qaida type groups. Others have less ambitious goals. Several focus on liberating kashmir. Still others, such as lashkar-i-jhangvi and sipah-e-sa*haba, would like to eliminate pakistani shias. The khatm-e-nabuhat declares that it will physically exterminate the qadi*anis, a sect that it considers heretical.pakistans christian, hindu, and other re*ligious minorities cower in fear. The rich among them have mostly fled the country.
since the early 1980s crusade against soviet russia,pakistanhas morphed into a central hub attracting a multitude of islamists from europe to west and central asia to indonesia. But jihadistan is now a hugely messy place, not the bastion of anti-communism and anti-atheism that it once was. Even those workers who helped to create it like the famous colonel imam and major khalid khwaja ended up los*ing their lives.
religion deeply divides the pakistan military. Perhaps it might be more accu*rate to think of it as two militaries. The first is headed by general kayani. It seeks to maintain the status quo and the armys pre-eminence in making national deci*sions. The second is allahs army. This awaits a leader even as it launches attacks on pakistani military installations, bases, top-level officers, soldiers, public places, mosques, and police stations. Soldiers have been encouraged to turn their guns on to their colleagues, troops have been tricked into ambushes, and high-level officers have been assassinated. Allahs army hopes to launch its final blitzkrieg once the state of pakistan has been sufficiently weakened by such attacks.
what separates army-one and isi-one from army-two and isi-two? This may not be immediately evident. Both were reared on the two-nation theory, the belief of mohammed ali jinnah, that hindus and muslims could never live together in peace. Both are thoroughly steeped in anti- indianism since their early days in army cadet colleges at petaro and hasan abdal. They also share a deep-rooted contempt for pakistani civilians. This attitude has resulted in roughly half of pakistans his*tory being that of direct military rule.
still, they are not the same. The oneers are soft islamists who are satisfied with a fuzzy belief that islam provides solutions to everything, that occasional prayers and ritual fasting in ramzan is sufficient, and that sufis and shias are bona fide muslims rather than mushriks or apostates. They are not particularly interested in defend*ing the sunni states of saudi arabia, bah*rain, or the gulf cooperation council (gcc). But should a lucrative overseas posting come the way of an individual sol*dier or officer, well, that may be another matter. While having a dislike of us poli*cies, they are not militantly anti-us.
army-two and isi-two, on the other hand, are soldier ideologues who have travelled further down the road of islamism. Large numbers of them regular*ly travel to raiwind, the headquarters of the tablighi jamaat, a supposedly non-political religious organisation which has a global proselytising mission and whose preachers are allowed open access into the army. The twoers are stricter in mat*ters of religious rituals, they insist that officers and their wives be segregated at army functions. They keep an eye out for officers who secretly drink alcohol, and how often they pray. Their political phi*losophy is that islam and the state should be inseparable. Inspired by maulana abul ala maududi, who preached that seventh century arab islam provides a complete blueprint for society and politics, they see capturing state power as a means towards creating the ideal society along the lines of the medieval medina state. Many twoers are beardless, hence hard to de*tect. They are fundamentally anti-science but computer savvy. For them, modern technology is a tool of battle.
like the proverbial ostrich, the oneers fiercely defend the myth of army unity. They dismiss mutineers as isolated indi*viduals. Mumtaz qadri, the renegade bodyguard who murdered punjab gover*nor salman taseer out of religious passion, is an inconvenient aberration to be dis*missed from consideration. Todays reli*gious terrorism is trivialised as a passing threat notwithstanding the fact that it has claimed more pakistani lives than lost in all wars with india. Instead, anger is reserved for those who state the obvious truth that pakistan is in a state of civil war.
an outstanding investigative journalist, saleem shahzad, who revealed the exist*ence of al qaida groupings within the paki*stan navy after the mehran base attack in the first part of an asia times article series, provides a tragic example. The part-two of his series was never published because it had promised to reveal similar cells in the army and air force. Shahzad was tortured and kicked to death after being abducted from one of the most secure parts of islam*abad. His mobile phone records are said to be untraceable, and tapes of closed circuit cameras around the abduction area went mysteriously missing. If true, then his mur*der could not be the work of hunted organi*sations like the pakistani taliban or al qaida. But was it isi-one or isi-two? Or some still more deeply hidden military agency? The truth may never be known." pervez hoodbhoy

http://mintopark.com/2011/07/08/pakistanarmy/


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shamsheer

Senator (1k+ posts)
Pakistan is suffering from the worst kind of problems. But the causes of the problem identified are so rubbish that only a Liberal enlightened Fascist stooge like Parvaiz Yahood Bhai can do that. The propaga.nda goons like the poster and promoters of are gnawing this country alive on the orders of their masters for few bucks and to enjoy the life of condemned sex and drug parties. Shame on U morons.

Watch out for Bravo like posts. I know he might or soon will be coming with a new ID. Mark this Doctor, I have doubts about him.
 

SaadKnight

Senator (1k+ posts)
"Islam created Pakistan, but it now divides Pakistan. Fuelled by ideological passions, diverse social and religious Muslim forma*tions have developed in different parts of the country. They often have divergent goals, and are often pathologically violent. Some target the American empire, and are hence attractive for Al Qaida type groups. Others have less ambitious goals. Several focus on “liberating” Kashmir. Still others, such as Lashkar-i-Jhangvi and Sipah-e-Sa*haba, would like to eliminate Pakistani Shias. The Khatm-e-Nabuhat declares that it will physically exterminate the Qadi*anis, a sect that it considers heretical.Pakistan’s Christian, Hindu, and other re*ligious minorities cower in fear. The rich among them have mostly fled the country.
Since the early 1980s crusade against Soviet Russia,Pakistanhas morphed into a central hub attracting a multitude of Islamists from Europe to west and central Asia to Indonesia. But Jihadistan is now a hugely messy place, not the bastion of anti-communism and anti-atheism that it once was. Even those workers who helped to create it – like the famous Colonel Imam and Major Khalid Khwaja – ended up los*ing their lives.
Religion deeply divides the Pakistan military. Perhaps it might be more accu*rate to think of it as two militaries. The first is headed by General Kayani. It seeks to maintain the status quo and the army’s pre-eminence in making national deci*sions. The second is Allah’s army. This awaits a leader even as it launches attacks on Pakistani military installations, bases, top-level officers, soldiers, public places, mosques, and police stations. Soldiers have been encouraged to turn their guns on to their colleagues, troops have been tricked into ambushes, and high-level officers have been assassinated. Allah’s army hopes to launch its final blitzkrieg once the state of Pakistan has been sufficiently weakened by such attacks.
What separates Army-One and ISI-One from Army-Two and ISI-Two? This may not be immediately evident. Both were reared on the Two-Nation Theory, the belief of Mohammed Ali Jinnah, that Hindus and Muslims could never live together in peace. Both are thoroughly steeped in anti- Indianism since their early days in army cadet colleges at Petaro and Hasan Abdal. They also share a deep-rooted contempt for Pakistani civilians. This attitude has resulted in roughly half of Pakistan’s his*tory being that of direct military rule.
Still, they are not the same. The One’ers are “soft Islamists” who are satisfied with a fuzzy belief that Islam provides solutions to everything, that occasional prayers and ritual fasting in Ramzan is sufficient, and that Sufis and Shias are bona fide Muslims rather than mushriks or apostates. They are not particularly interested in defend*ing the Sunni states of Saudi Arabia, Bah*rain, or the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC). But should a lucrative overseas posting come the way of an individual sol*dier or officer, well, that may be another matter. While having a dislike of US poli*cies, they are not militantly anti-US.
Army-Two and ISI-Two, on the other hand, are soldier ideologues who have travelled further down the road of Islamism. Large numbers of them regular*ly travel to Raiwind, the headquarters of the Tablighi Jamaat, a supposedly non-political religious organisation which has a global proselytising mission and whose preachers are allowed open access into the army. The Two’ers are stricter in mat*ters of religious rituals, they insist that officers and their wives be segregated at army functions. They keep an eye out for officers who secretly drink alcohol, and how often they pray. Their political phi*losophy is that Islam and the State should be inseparable. Inspired by Maulana Abul Ala Maududi, who preached that seventh century Arab Islam provides a complete blueprint for society and politics, they see capturing state power as a means towards creating the ideal society along the lines of the medieval Medina state. Many Two’ers are beardless, hence hard to de*tect. They are fundamentally anti-science but computer savvy. For them, modern technology is a tool of battle.
Like the proverbial ostrich, the One’ers fiercely defend the myth of army unity. They dismiss mutineers as isolated indi*viduals. Mumtaz Qadri, the renegade bodyguard who murdered Punjab Gover*nor Salman Taseer out of religious passion, is an inconvenient aberration to be dis*missed from consideration. Today’s reli*gious terrorism is trivialised as a passing threat notwithstanding the fact that it has claimed more Pakistani lives than lost in all wars with India. Instead, anger is reserved for those who state the obvious truth that Pakistan is in a state of civil war.
An outstanding investigative journalist, Saleem Shahzad, who revealed the exist*ence of Al Qaida groupings within the Paki*stan Navy after the Mehran base attack in the first part of an Asia Times article series, provides a tragic example. The part-two of his series was never published because it had promised to reveal similar cells in the army and air force. Shahzad was tortured and kicked to death after being abducted from one of the most secure parts of Islam*abad. His mobile phone records are said to be untraceable, and tapes of closed circuit cameras around the abduction area went mysteriously missing. If true, then his mur*der could not be the work of hunted organi*sations like the Pakistani Taliban or Al Qaida. But was it ISI-One or ISI-Two? Or some still more deeply hidden military agency? The truth may never be known." Pervez Hoodbhoy

http://mintopark.com/2011/07/08/pakistanarmy/

ab itna kon parhay.
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Watch out for Bravo like posts. I know he might or soon will be coming with a new ID. Mark this Doctor, I have doubts about him.

U know such mole do change their ID's----rather they had multiple ones, but they cannot hide their illuminating tails even if they push it into their lower back or hind legs.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

jennyrock42

MPA (400+ posts)
Every second month , you will read such a crap article in liberal newspapers like dawn or someone posting on some pakistani forum. Funny thing is they are repeating the same BS again and again since many years, even the wording is also same, I have to admire their stamina that they never get bored from writing same BS again and again. :lol:


Regards
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Every second month , you will read such a crap article in liberal newspapers like dawn or someone posting on some pakistani forum. Funny thing is they are repeating the same BS again and again since many years, even the wording is also same, I have to admire their stamina that they never get bored from writing same BS again and again. :lol:
Regards

They have gone mad. :lol:
 

titan

MPA (400+ posts)
Whatever you Pakistani say BUT one day you will totally destroy like you destroyed Afghanistan

Pakistan played one of the major role in todays Afghanistan situation

Hey Pakistanio don't forget what you gave that exactly you'll get(thumbsdown)
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Every second month , you will read such a crap article in liberal newspapers like dawn or someone posting on some pakistani forum. Funny thing is they are repeating the same BS again and again since many years, even the wording is also same, I have to admire their stamina that they never get bored from writing same BS again and again. :lol:


Regards

Jenny dear,

copy&paste mein kitni mehnat lagti hai? thats what they do :P
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Whatever you Pakistani say BUT one day you will totally destroy like you destroyed Afghanistan

Pakistan played one of the major role in todays Afghanistan situation

Hey Pakistanio don't forget what you gave that exactly you'll get(thumbsdown)


(thumbsdown)


namakharami ki bhi had hoti hai

Soviets sey najat bhi hum ney hi dilai thi warna abhi tum log socialist ho chukey hotey
 

Khanji1

Councller (250+ posts)
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Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Whatever you Pakistani say BUT one day you will totally destroy like you destroyed Afghanistan

Pakistan played one of the major role in todays Afghanistan situation

Hey Pakistanio don't forget what you gave that exactly you'll get(thumbsdown)

Hey you stooges of the most terrorist Nations of the world (US/UK/India) we shall love to be one with our Afghan Brethren. And are ready to go ahead. What about U? Ready to share the future of the terrorist nations on the face of the earth, trailer which U experienced in UK? And the $ going to drain by its own treacheries............:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

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