Pak Military Holding thousands in indefinite detention, officials say

sarmad

Senator (1k+ posts)
By Griff Witte and Karen DeYoung
Thursday, April 22, 2010


ISLAMABAD, PAKISTAN -- The Pakistani military is holding thousands of suspected militants in indefinite detention, arguing that the nation's dysfunctional civilian justice system cannot be trusted to prevent them from walking free, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials.
The majority of the detainees have been held for nearly a year and have been allowed no contact with family members, lawyers or humanitarian groups, the Pakistani officials and human rights advocates said.
Top U.S. officials have raised concern about the detentions with Pakistani leaders, fearing that the issue could undermine American domestic and congressional support for the U.S.-backed counterinsurgency campaign in Pakistan and jeopardize billions of dollars in U.S. assistance.
Pakistani officials say that they are aware of the problem but that there is no clear solution: Pakistan has no applicable military justice system, and even civilian officials concede that their courts are not up to the task of handling such a large volume of complex terrorism cases. There is little forensic evidence in most cases, and witnesses are likely to be too scared to testify.
The quandary plays directly into the Taliban's strategy. The group has gained a following in Pakistan by capitalizing on the weakness of the civilian government, promising the sort of swift justice that is often absent from the slow-moving and overburdened courts.
Pakistan's struggle over how to handle the detainees echoes a debate in the United States over the remaining prisoners being held at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. It also reflects the tensions between security and civil liberties that confront U.S. allies as they battle Islamist extremists.
"We don't have a system like Egypt, where you send a man to court and three days later he's executed," said Malik Naveed Khan, the top police official in northwestern Pakistan. "The judges decide the punishment, and they have to look at the evidence."

The United States has not pushed for a specific solution but has instead encouraged Pakistan to begin handling the detainees within the law, U.S. officials said. Although Pakistan has in the past sent high-level detainees to the United States for interrogation at Guantanamo Bay and other facilities, Pakistani officials say the current detainees are all suspected of crimes against the Pakistani state and will be dealt with domestically.
Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, an army spokesman, said the military is "extremely concerned" that the detainees will be allowed to go free if they are turned over to the civilian government. More than 300 suspected militants who had been detained in the military's 2007 operation in the Swat Valley were later released under a peace deal. Many returned to the Taliban, Abbas said, making the army's task harder when it again rolled into Swat last spring.
Most of the current detainees were picked up during that operation, which eliminated a key Taliban sanctuary, though many fighters simply fled. Pakistan also detained suspected militants during its offensive in South Waziristan last fall, and in other operations in adjacent tribal areas.
This month, Human Rights Watch said it had documented as many as 300 extrajudicial killings by the military both during and after the Swat operation. The military has denied that charge. Ali Dayan Hasan, the New York-based organization's senior South Asia analyst, said that without proper documentation of the detainees, more could be tortured and killed.
"What this is an argument for is the law of the jungle," Hasan said. "This is a gross abuse of human rights, and very bad counterterror strategy."

There has been no public accounting of who has been detained, so the exact number of prisoners is not known. U.S. officials estimate the total at 2,500, a figure that roughly corresponds to Pakistani estimates, though some outside analysts in Pakistan say the number is higher. The International Committee of the Red Cross has not been given access to any detainees in northwest Pakistan since last year. They are being held in special military detention centers across the region, though the exact locations have not been made public.
Pakistan officially describes its military operations in the northwest as a law enforcement action, rather than an armed conflict, which permits it to avoid following international protocol for the treatment of prisoners of war.
U.S. officials say they worry that the detentions will further inflame the Pakistani public at a time when the government here needs popular support for its offensives.
"They're treating the local population with a heavy hand, and they're alienating them," said an Obama administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. "As a result, it's sort of a classic case going back to Vietnam; it [risks] actually creating more sympathy for the extremists."
After years of international criticism over secret U.S. prison sites, the official said that Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, has made improving the detention system one of the central features of his new counterinsurgency strategy. But Pakistan, where the military has long called the shots while the civilian government languished, has not recognized the issue's importance, the official said.
U.S. officials worry, too, that by holding thousands of people without trial, Pakistan risks running afoul of the Leahy Amendment, which requires recipients of U.S. military assistance to abide by international human rights laws and standards.

The United States has provided Pakistan with nearly $18 billion in military and development aid since 2002, with the administration requesting $3 billion more for 2011. "Obviously, you don't want the Pakistanis to do anything to complicate a relationship that requires support from Congress," the U.S. official said.
Pakistani security officials said that the vast majority of the detainees are Pakistani citizens but that some are foreigners, including Uzbeks, Chechens and Arabs. The Taliban and al-Qaeda have used Pakistan's remote western border with Afghanistan as a sanctuary in recent years.
Some detainees are considered leading insurgent commanders, while most are foot soldiers. The men are being questioned by investigators, and are classified into one of three categories: black for hard-core militants, gray for their supporters and white for civilians not involved in the insurgency, said Khan, the police chief for northwestern Pakistan. Those in the white category are released as the investigations proceed, officials say.
Khan said that he expects the detainees to be tried in civilian courts but that he does not know when. "I don't see any other option," he said. "But it will take time."
DeYoung reported from Islamabad and Washington.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/21/AR2010042102658_2.html
 

sarmad

Senator (1k+ posts)
Hello Chief Justice...where are you? Please take a note.

Honestly, our government making the Pak army make look bad.

I absolutely don't blame our army, they are simply obeying orders and doing their job but this injustice destroying everything in pakistan.

Rule of law must be implemented every where and I don't think Zardari would let that happend because that means he will go to Jail. We must get rid of Zardari asap
 

FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
Its got nothing to do with idiotic president we have, and everything to do with dysfunctional Madarasa graduates looking for work and we know what most of them are qualified to do.

God Bless Pakistan
Pakistan Army Zaindabad
 
S

Siasati

Guest
Its got nothing to do with idiotic president we have, and everything to do with dysfunctional Madarasa graduates looking for work and we know what most of them are qualified to do.

God Bless Pakistan
Pakistan Army Zaindabad

Yaar, Noone is blaming Pakistan Army but injustice is taking place through their hands. We love our army. Why are they holding so many people without any charges and a lot of them were sold to the united states, on who's order. Can't we put those people in court instead of handing them over to the Americans
 

imrankhan0

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
oh bhayee army jo bhi kar le, or karti bhi ayi hay, hamari quoom kisi na kisi tarah kisi or ki ghalti bana hi de ti hay osay. Dr Afia ko jab army ne kidnap kiya tha tab army ko galian nahin din lekin jab zardari (im not his supporter) ne osay reha nahin kar waya to barda shoor machaya. jab balochion ke bachay or ortain marin tab bhi kuch nahin kaha jab onhon ne retaliate kiya tab bora lag gaya, yahi haal is waqat hamaray pathan bhayion ka kar rahi hay ye army, or koi reporter isay report nahin kar sakta. koi police wala kuch nahin keh sakta. foran ghayeb ho jatay hain ye loog. hamaray pass sirf ISPR ki reports ati hain, jo ke ek dafa nahin balkay hazaron dafa jhoot sabit ho chuki hay.
 

imrankhan0

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Hello Chief Justice...where are you? Please take a note.

Honestly, our government making the Pak army make look bad.

I absolutely don't blame our army, they are simply obeying orders and doing their job but this injustice destroying everything in pakistan.

Rule of law must be implemented every where and I don't think Zardari would let that happend because that means he will go to Jail. We must get rid of Zardari asap

wose orders are they obeying?????? america's or did u mean someone else. I was unaware of who the army takes their orders from
 

Ammar isb

Councller (250+ posts)
The trails of suspected militants are important as the public wants them to be prosecuted and duly punished for their heinous crimes. However our courts are heavily burdened, there is a need to keep such captured militants in isolation as prison gives them an opportunity to identify new recruits. The ones who are not involved in serious crimes and vow to repent we need to rehabilitate them so that they become productive citizens of society.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
There is a bunch of hypocrates sitting in higher position in Pakistan Army whose eyes are blinded by American Dollars. Musharraf was one of them willing sold his soul and his rear end to get meager dollars to buy his properties overseas. The Former Naval chief didn't want to stay behind in this corruption and he took his big share of the pie in submarine deal.Army always oppose the third party auditing of their budget.Musharraf made whole nation american slaves and ruled almost 10 years un challenged and now sitting pretty in England enjoying Drinks. This Army produced many more Musharrafs, Hehyas. There is no such word as shame in their dictionary. Those who were taken away from their houses and just disappeared and never to be founded.Remember if there is no justice there won't be any peace.They are just following their master.