Pak, Israel on way to establish diplomatic ties

Geek

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ISLAMABAD In a development that could trigger a serious political backlash against the government, Pakistan is said to have opened its camp office in Tel Aviv, while the two sides are engaged in a series of covert talks to find out possibilities to establish direct links, top-level diplomatic sources told TheNation.
Most interesting part of this episode is that a prominent politician who is also the chief of a religious party, has played vital role in bringing the two sides at a point which could lead Pakistan, following footsteps of Turkey, to recognise Israel in near future.
Sources told TheNation that Pakistani authorities including a prominent politician belonging to a religious party, have been holding talks with Israeli authorities, which took place in Paris and London recently. When contacted by this correspondent on telephone, FO Spokesperson Abdul Basit strongly denied such reports and saying Pakistans policy towards Israel was very much clear and it was using no backdoor channel to establish link with Israel.
It is pertinent to mention here that Pakistani authorities, keeping in view Israel s position in global scenario, have many a time met Israeli authorities on different occasions in the past. Israel and Pakistan are key allies of the US, and there have been indications of warming ties between them.
In 2005, Israels then-foreign minister, Silvan Shalom met his Pakistani counterpart, Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri, in Turkey, sparking protests from Islamic hard-liners in Pakistan. In September 2006, Musharraf had said Pakistans government would have to recognise Israel after an independent Palestinian state was established-but not before. We cannot do something that sidelines us from the Muslim world, Musharraf had said at that time. Another secret meeting between former President Musharraf and Israels defence minister took place in Paris in January 2008.
The two states have no diplomatic ties, and their officials rarely meet. But Musharraf and Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak held a scheduled 20-minute meeting in January 2008 in Paris.

Pak, Israel on way to establish diplomatic ties
 

hawk eyed

MPA (400+ posts)
ye to musharraf se b do hath aage hen....that religious personallity must b fazul u Rehman....it would b deadly for us to shake hands n establish relations with a foe like israel which is constantly stinging us....is se ziada bura kya ho skta hai!
 

Horseman

Voter (50+ posts)
Don't take "The Nation" newspaper seriously, especially when unnamed sources have been quoted...
 

jaanmark

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Who is that prominent politician belonging to a religious party please named it .
Thanks.They (Jews )are never be a friend Quran says.

Business we do any way through UK/USA /INDia. Why should be an officially enter the our pak country.


Isreal is never be a friend of muslim .
Why they not debat in news papers and in tv's .
That is why Zardari want to France and London!

Allah take way from us such current Goverments of non sences people.

All should talk about this important matter now thanks
 
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khipk

Senator (1k+ posts)
Who is that prominent politician belonging to a religious party please named it .
Thanks.They (Jews )are never be a friend Quran says.

Business we do any way through UK/USA /INDia. Why should be an officially enter the our pak country.


Isreal is never be a friend of muslim .
Why they not debat in news papers and in tv's .
That is why Zardari want to France and London!

Allah take way from us such current Goverments of non sences people.

All should talk about this important matter now thanks

Maulana Diesel ?!?!
 
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LeftBrain

MPA (400+ posts)
very good step...............should have been done a long time ago...........

Israel is a geogropical reality, only foolish people can deny that, and besides, whay exactly we cant have diplomatic tis with them, because they are jew? we have ties with all the chrstian countries, who are bracketed in the same ayat......... we have ties with India as well.

and those stupids who says we should not have ties with Israel because they are against Pelistine and its people, well Pelistine itself have ties with Israel, they talk regularly. Some say Israel is against arabs, well arabs have diplomatic ties with them as well.............

ham sirf parayi shadi main Abdullah Dewwana ban saktey hain............
 

mrbaig

Senator (1k+ posts)
very good step...............should have been done a long time ago...........

Israel is a geogropical reality, only foolish people can deny that, and besides, whay exactly we cant have diplomatic tis with them, because they are jew? we have ties with all the chrstian countries, who are bracketed in the same ayat......... we have ties with India as well.

and those stupids who says we should not have ties with Israel because they are against Pelistine and its people, well Pelistine itself have ties with Israel, they talk regularly. Some say Israel is against arabs, well arabs have diplomatic ties with them as well.............

ham sirf parayi shadi main Abdullah Dewwana ban saktey hain............
1000 times agreed.Alas we are not factulist.Israel must be recogonised as early as posible.We have always created foes not friends.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
very good step...............should have been done a long time ago...........

Israel is a geogropical reality, only foolish people can deny that, and besides, whay exactly we cant have diplomatic tis with them, because they are jew? we have ties with all the chrstian countries, who are bracketed in the same ayat......... we have ties with India as well.

and those stupids who says we should not have ties with Israel because they are against Pelistine and its people, well Pelistine itself have ties with Israel, they talk regularly. Some say Israel is against arabs, well arabs have diplomatic ties with them as well.............

ham sirf parayi shadi main Abdullah Dewwana ban saktey hain............

Isreal can be recognized once they quit from the teritories illegaly occupied from the palestinians.It can be recognize as a legit Government once they allow a free and stable palestinian state. They can be recognized once they allow Muslims to get the east part of Jerusalem.They can be recognized once they allow unhinderence entry to our sacred mosque without any provocations. Isreal can be recognized once they gave the palestinian dignity and respect they deserved.Israel can be recognize once it quit conspiring with the enemies of Muslim Countries ( i.e India). Isreal can be recognized when they allow the thousands of refugees who were forced to left out their land and subsequently occupied by isralei settlers.Isreal can be recognize once they stop illegal expansions of settlements in Palestinian land and allow jews of new york to grab their orchard and land.Isreal can be recognized once they apologize for the intentional messacre of muslims in sabra and shatila camps and for all their crimes against innocent Palestinian civilians who got killed.Before that the SYMPATHIZERS of Isreal should stop this none sense promoting their agenda.
 

shafiq

Councller (250+ posts)
israel is a reality whether we pakistani accept it or not.Lots of muslim countries have the relationship with israel,why dont we realise the truth and more over KEA HUM PAKISTANION NE ISLAM KA THEKA OTTA RAKHA HAI.:13:

ISLAMABAD In a development that could trigger a serious political backlash against the government, Pakistan is said to have opened its camp office in Tel Aviv, while the two sides are engaged in a series of covert talks to find out possibilities to establish direct links, top-level diplomatic sources told TheNation.
Most interesting part of this episode is that a prominent politician who is also the chief of a religious party, has played vital role in bringing the two sides at a point which could lead Pakistan, following footsteps of Turkey, to recognise Israel in near future.
Sources told TheNation that Pakistani authorities including a prominent politician belonging to a religious party, have been holding talks with Israeli authorities, which took place in Paris and London recently. When contacted by this correspondent on telephone, FO Spokesperson Abdul Basit strongly denied such reports and saying Pakistans policy towards Israel was very much clear and it was using no backdoor channel to establish link with Israel.
It is pertinent to mention here that Pakistani authorities, keeping in view Israel s position in global scenario, have many a time met Israeli authorities on different occasions in the past. Israel and Pakistan are key allies of the US, and there have been indications of warming ties between them.
In 2005, Israels then-foreign minister, Silvan Shalom met his Pakistani counterpart, Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri, in Turkey, sparking protests from Islamic hard-liners in Pakistan. In September 2006, Musharraf had said Pakistans government would have to recognise Israel after an independent Palestinian state was established-but not before. We cannot do something that sidelines us from the Muslim world, Musharraf had said at that time. Another secret meeting between former President Musharraf and Israels defence minister took place in Paris in January 2008.
The two states have no diplomatic ties, and their officials rarely meet. But Musharraf and Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak held a scheduled 20-minute meeting in January 2008 in Paris.

Pak, Israel on way to establish diplomatic ties
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
israel is a reality whether we pakistani accept it or not.Lots of muslim countries have the relationship with israel,why dont we realise the truth and more over KEA HUM PAKISTANION NE ISLAM KA THEKA OTTA RAKHA HAI.:13:

Mujhay nahi maloom ka Pakistan ne Islam ka Theka otta Rakha hai ya nahi lakin maloom hota hai ke tum ne Yahoodi Theka zaroor otta rakha hai....
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Zaidi Bhai has beautiful summed it up.
What will be the benefits for the state of Pakistan to recognizing State of Israel, in present circumstances.
What has Turkey achieved after recognizing Israel and Turkey is a much stronger nation than us, economically and politically.

Do we want to have another centre of consipiracies in Islamabad after US and UK embassies?
Think NOT.
 

Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
israel is a reality whether we pakistani accept it or not.Lots of muslim countries have the relationship with israel,why dont we realise the truth and more over KEA HUM PAKISTANION NE ISLAM KA THEKA OTTA RAKHA HAI.:13:

جی ہاں شفیق صاحب بلکل ٹھیک کہا ہم پاکستانیوں نے اسلام کا ٹھیکہ اٹھا رکھا ہے اسی میں ہماری بقا ہے اور اسی میں ہماری ترقی ہے جو لوگ پاکستان اور اسلام کو مختلف تناظر میں دیکھتے ہیں دراصل وہی غلطی پر ہیں آج جس جگہ ہمارا ملک واقع ہے یہ علاقہ کبھی بھی ہندوستان کا جزو لا ینفک نہیں رہا یہاں عربوں ترکوں افغانیوں منگولوں یونانیوں اور ایرانیوں نے باری باری حکومت کی اور اسی وجہ سے یہاں آپ کسی ایک قومیت کی بنیاد پر ملک کھڑا نہیں کر سکتے حتیٰ کہ اسلام کی لڑی میں اس قوم کو پرو نہ دیں اور آپ جتنی بھی موہنجو داڑو اور ہرپا کی کھدائی کر لیں اور اس قوم کو ایک ثابت کرنے کی کوششیں کر لیں آپ کبھی بھی اس قوم کو ایک جھنڈے کے نیچے کھڑا نہیں کر سکتے جب تک کہ وہ جھنڈا اسلام کا جھنڈا نہ ہو اور یہی ہماری قدر مشترک بھی ہے اور ہماری طاقت بھی اسی نظریے کے تحت اگر ہم چلے تو دنیا میں ایک عظیم قوم بن کر ابھریں گے ہماری جغرافیائی حدود بھی پھیلیں گی اور ہم اقبال کی بات بھی درست ثابت ہو گی کہ

رہے گا راوی و نیل و فرات میں کب تک
تیرا سفینہ کہ ہے بحر بے کراں کے لیے

کیا یہ ہماری قوم کے لیے سعادت کی بات نہیں ہو گی کہ ہم ہی دنیائے اسلام کے محافظ کہلائیں؟

پچھلی صدی میں اسی نظریے کو پین اسلامزم کا نام دیا گیا یہ نظریہ یوروپین نظریہ قومیت کے متضاد ہے جس میں انسانوں کی رنگ زبان اور نسل کی بنیاد پر تفریق کی جاتی ہے خود تو وہ لوگ اب یوروپین یونین کی باتیں کرتے ہیں جو عیسیٰےیت کی نمائندہ ہے اور ہمیں مذکورہ بنیادپہ آپس میں لڑانا چاہتے ہیں اسی لیے میں بار بار کہتا آیا ہوں کہ اس مملکت خداداد میں جو سیاسی جماعتیں کسی ایک نسل یا لسانی گروہ کی نمائندہ بن کر سیاست کر رہی ہیں دراصل وہ رقص ابلیس میں مصروف ہیں اور اس ملک کے وجود کو سب سے بڑا خطرہ بھی ایسے ہی شیطان صفت لوگوں سے ہے
 
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mrcritic

Minister (2k+ posts)
yes humnay THEKA uthaya hu hai cos aur koi mai ka laal nahi hai is dunya mien jo uthany ko tayar hai!! Arabs sarey soye parhey hain - woh apnay petrol kay dollars mien dobay huey hain. Pakistan and Iran are the ONLY resistance to Israel and will inshalah remain so.
 

Adeel

Founder
the religious personality? only one name comes to mind....Maulana Diesel who will do anything for money/power
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

جی ہاں شفیق صاحب بلکل ٹھیک کہا ہم پاکستانیوں نے اسلام کا ٹھیکہ اٹھا رکھا ہے اسی میں ہماری بقا ہے اور اسی میں ہماری ترقی ہے جو لوگ پاکستان اور اسلام کو مختلف تناظر میں دیکھتے ہیں دراصل وہی غلطی پر ہیں آج جس جگہ ہمارا ملک واقع ہے یہ علاقہ کبھی بھی ہندوستان کا جزو لا ینفک نہیں رہا یہاں عربوں ترکوں افغانیوں منگولوں یونانیوں اور ایرانیوں نے باری باری حکومت کی اور اسی وجہ سے یہاں آپ کسی ایک قومیت کی بنیاد پر ملک کھڑا نہیں کر سکتے حتیٰ کہ اسلام کی لڑی میں اس قوم کو پرو نہ دیں اور آپ جتنی بھی موہنجو داڑو اور ہرپا کی کھدائی کر لیں اور اس قوم کو ایک ثابت کرنے کی کوششیں کر لیں آپ کبھی بھی اس قوم کو ایک جھنڈے کے نیچے کھڑا نہیں کر سکتے جب تک کہ وہ جھنڈا اسلام کا جھنڈا نہ ہو اور یہی ہماری قدر مشترک بھی ہے اور ہماری طاقت بھی اسی نظریے کے تحت اگر ہم چلے تو دنیا میں ایک عظیم قوم بن کر ابھریں گے ہماری جغرافیائی حدود بھی پھیلیں گی اور ہم اقبال کی بات بھی درست ثابت ہو گی کہ

رہے گا راوی و نیل و فرات میں کب تک
تیرا سفینہ کہ ہے بحر بے کراں کے لیے

کیا یہ ہماری قوم کے لیے سعادت کی بات نہیں ہو گی کہ ہم ہی دنیائے اسلام کے محافظ کہلائیں؟

پچھلی صدی میں اسی نظریے کو پین اسلامزم کا نام دیا گیا یہ نظریہ یوروپین نظریہ قومیت کے متضاد ہے جس میں انسانوں کی رنگ زبان اور نسل کی بنیاد پر تفریق کی جاتی ہے خود تو وہ لوگ اب یوروپین یونین کی باتیں کرتے ہیں جو عیسیٰےیت کی نمائندہ ہے اور ہمیں مذکورہ بنیادپہ آپس میں لڑانا چاہتے ہیں اسی لیے میں بار بار کہتا آیا ہوں کہ اس مملکت خداداد میں جو سیاسی جماعتیں کسی ایک نسل یا لسانی گروہ کی نمائندہ بن کر سیاست کر رہی ہیں دراصل وہ رقص ابلیس میں مصروف ہیں اور اس ملک کے وجود کو سب سے بڑا خطرہ بھی ایسے ہی شیطان صفت لوگوں سے ہے

very well said brother.

Neil Ke Sahil Say Lekar Taba Khak e Kashgur.
 

LeftBrain

MPA (400+ posts)
Isreal can be recognized once they quit from the teritories illegaly occupied from the palestinians.It can be recognize as a legit Government once they allow a free and stable palestinian state. They can be recognized once they allow Muslims to get the east part of Jerusalem.They can be recognized once they allow unhinderence entry to our sacred mosque without any provocations. Isreal can be recognized once they gave the palestinian dignity and respect they deserved.Israel can be recognize once it quit conspiring with the enemies of Muslim Countries ( i.e India). Isreal can be recognized when they allow the thousands of refugees who were forced to left out their land and subsequently occupied by isralei settlers.Isreal can be recognize once they stop illegal expansions of settlements in Palestinian land and allow jews of new york to grab their orchard and land.Isreal can be recognized once they apologize for the intentional messacre of muslims in sabra and shatila camps and for all their crimes against innocent Palestinian civilians who got killed.Before that the SYMPATHIZERS of Isreal should stop this none sense promoting their agenda.

so USA has occupied Afghanistan and Iraq......India has occupied Kashmir.............. why your masters have ties with them? Using your twisted logic, we shouldnt have ties with them either.............. yet during the rulership of all "holy people" and "holy forces" USA was always no. 1 ally.............. why your tongue stop talking when it comes to USA, because USA give bread and butter to you and your masters?