Rashna
Banned
It was a different system then. A monarchy type system and less of democracy. That's why they cared more for their treasury than the greater goal. Simple.
Outfit activist raises pro-Khalistan slogans : Zee News (Ache din:)
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modern.fakir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Doesnt matter ! ...a traitor is a traitor no matter what system you put them into. :biggthumpup:
modern.fakir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You tell me the maharani of kuch was RAPED in a prestigious temple (Vishwanath temple) in Banaras with the Hindu king requesting Aurangzeb to raze that temple because of that incident. If the muslims were so bad would the hindu king have said so ?? :biggthumpup:
Upset Pakistani
Senator (1k+ posts)
I think sikhs are not 8 crore all over the world
Punjab dont have industries. Its just agricultural land with high debt. Many have left punjab for western country.
Sikhs normally join army and police. Sikh community talk about recapturing lahore & nankana.
You would soon see that happen in future
Saadbaloch
Senator (1k+ posts)
HAHAHA you fil-thy Hindu stop disguising as a Zionists , you can clearly understand Urdu/Hindi you are a typical "Internet Hindu".
And 2% of 1.2 Billion is huge. Sikhs want their own country because its a separate Religion then Hindus and they want their own Identity.
جب وہ آپکے ظلم سے آزادی حاصل کرلیں گے، تو ظاہر ہے اپنے علاقے کو لیکر پاکستان سےدرخواست کریں گے کہ انہیں اس آزاد عظیم ملک میں شامل کرلیا جائے
ظاہر ہے سکھ ایک شریف قوم ہے اور ہماری دوست بھی،،
ہم ضرور انہیں اپنے ساتھ شامل کرلیں گے،تاکہ وہ آزادی سے ننکانہ صاحب کی زیارت کرسکیں
مگر بہادر سکھوں کے آپکی فوج سے نکلنے کے بعد،،آپکی فوج کاکیا مستقبل ہوگا اور کیا شکل ہوگی اسکی،،یہ سوچ کر ہنسی آتی ہے
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Every Hindu is a Sikh and Every Sikh respect hinduism.
Guru Govind Singh told this while fighting
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Jo bole so nihaal. Sat sri akal
We beat Mughals & soon,
RaJ khalenga Khalsa!
& Sikh empire will regain its glory, capture Punjab to peshawar under leadership of Modi.
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Hindus regard Sikhism as a branch of Hinduism. They are trying their best to corrupt Sikhism monotheistic beliefs to pantheism as their own religion. You see this in indian drams and films e.g Sikhs praying to the Hindus idols.
The intellectual Sikhs fully understand this and to protect their religion they need to have their own country.
15-20 MILLION Sikhs among 1 billion Hindus they are on a slippery ground, remember their religion is one of youngest in the world. Time will wipe them out??????
The intellectual Sikhs fully understand this and to protect their religion they need to have their own country.
15-20 MILLION Sikhs among 1 billion Hindus they are on a slippery ground, remember their religion is one of youngest in the world. Time will wipe them out??????
Rashna
Banned
This story is bizarre and I know you are getting carried away by the video (old) you saw but this story has already been found to have discrepancies. The odd thing about history is u can't ever effectually prove it. In the case of Aurangzeb's cruelties his own family was a victim and the thousands of razed down temples are a mute testament to what was going on in India during his rule. Also bear in mind why is Akbar not called a villian? or for that matter shahjehan? or the other kings who preceded Aurangzed or even succeded him? What was so special about Aurangzeb? Obviously he did something that earned him his current reputation. The holes in the rape story are given below. You can choose to believe anything but i believe that the odds are stacked against Aurangzed.
Dr Elst first mentions several “holes” in this story:
Dr Elst first mentions several “holes” in this story:
- The story is very bizarre, to say the least. First of all, it has Aurangzeb go to Bengal. Yet, in the extant histories of his life and works, no such journey to Bengal, or even any journey as far east as Varanasi, is recorded. There are fairly complete chronicles of his doings, day by day; could B.N. Pande or any of his quoters give the date or even the year of this remarkable episode?
- Nether was Aurangzeb known to surround himself with Hindu courtiers.
- And did these Rajas take their wives along on military expeditions? Or was it some holiday picnic
- How could the Mahant kidnap a Rani who was there in the company of other Ranis, as well as the appropriate courtiers and bodyguards? Why did he take such risk?
- Why did the Rajas wait for Aurangzeb to take exemplary action: did they fear his anger if they punished the priests or destroyed the temple themselves?
- And since when is demolition the approved method of purifying a defiled temple, an eventuality for which the Shastras have laid down due ritual procedures?
“He (B N Pande) himself writes: Dr. Pattabhi Sitaramayya, in his famous book, The Feathers and the Stones, has narrated this fact based on documentary evidence. So, we have to go one more step back in time to find this intriguing “documentary evidence”.
Let us turn to this book, now hard to find, to see what the documentary evidence is on which this whole wave of pro-Aurangzeb rumours is based, but which no one has cared to reproduce or even just specify.
This is what Gandhian Congress leader Pattabhi Sitaramayya wrote in his prison diary:
Let us turn to this book, now hard to find, to see what the documentary evidence is on which this whole wave of pro-Aurangzeb rumours is based, but which no one has cared to reproduce or even just specify.
This is what Gandhian Congress leader Pattabhi Sitaramayya wrote in his prison diary:
“…There is a popular belief that Aurangazeb was a bigot in religion. This, however, is combated by a certain school. His bigotry is illustrated by one or two instances. The building of a mosque over the site of the original Kasi Visveswara Temple is one such. A like mosque in Mathura is another. The revival of Jazia is a third but of a different order. A story is told in extenuation of the first event…”
Rashna
Banned
Sikhs in India worship hindu gods too . Like-wise there are hindu sindhis who follow the guru- granth sahib and most of their events take place in gurudwaras. When you believe in om then you are already monotheistic in your approach.
Om or Aum is of paramount importance in Hinduism. This symbol (as seen in the image on the right) is a sacred syllable representing Brahman, the impersonal Absolute of Hinduism — omnipotent, omnipresent, and the source of all manifest existence. Brahman, in itself, is incomprehensible; so a symbol becomes mandatory to help us realize the Unknowable. Om, therefore, represents both the unmanifest (nirguna) and manifest (saguna) aspects of God. That is why it is called pranava, to mean that it pervades life and runs through our prana or breath.
Sikhism's basic tenet is "Ek Onkar" Which accepts the supremacy of Brahman the absolute power.
Om or Aum is of paramount importance in Hinduism. This symbol (as seen in the image on the right) is a sacred syllable representing Brahman, the impersonal Absolute of Hinduism — omnipotent, omnipresent, and the source of all manifest existence. Brahman, in itself, is incomprehensible; so a symbol becomes mandatory to help us realize the Unknowable. Om, therefore, represents both the unmanifest (nirguna) and manifest (saguna) aspects of God. That is why it is called pranava, to mean that it pervades life and runs through our prana or breath.
Sikhism's basic tenet is "Ek Onkar" Which accepts the supremacy of Brahman the absolute power.
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Rashna
Banned
The mughals were no different. They fought amongst each other too. So call all of them traitors including your own divisive experiment. :biggthumpup:
Rizwan2009
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Every Hindu is a Sikh and Every Sikh respect hinduism.
Guru Govind Singh told this while fighting
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Jo bole so nihaal. Sat sri akal
We beat Mughals & soon,
RaJ khalenga Khalsa!
& Sikh empire will regain its glory, capture Punjab to peshawar under leadership of Modi.
اس خواب کو ديکھتے ديکھتے تمھارے آباؤ اجداد فوت ہوچکے ہيں تم بھى فوت ہوجاؤ گے مگر تمھاري يہ تمنا کبھي پوري نہيں ہوگي
Rizwan2009
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اس خواب کو ديکھتے ديکھتے تمھارے آباؤ اجداد فوت ہوچکے ہيں تم بھى فوت ہوجاؤ گے مگر پاکستان کا انشاءاللہ کچھ نہيں بگڑے گا
ايک دفعہ عمران خان کو حکومت ميں آنے دو پھر ديکھنا اگر تمھارے مودي سرکار کا پيشاب نہ نکال ديا تو کہنا
Rashna
Banned
History has been survival of fittest hasn't it. It is called history because it was in the past. The reason we study history is so we can avoid making the same mistakes. The question is what do you learn out of your history? You ask for proof? Proof is all around in India. Indians are living examples of their past. Our holy books, and epics are our biggest proof.
Compared to current day muslims, hindus are a sea of peace. lol. Buddhism reached its peak in India and gradually faded out from India. Because it involves a high level of "giving" up on real life, it was not an easy religion for people to follow. Buddhism was born out of extreme violence creating disgust for killing and mayhem and therefore its view is an extreme shunning of violence. But like with most religions what is preached is never practised. Same goes for buddhists today. The point to take home is if you preach non violence at least 1% people will follow it and 90% people will become less violent. There are always gonna be those 10% who will kill and hurt humanity. They are the game-changers. They give birth to new religions, new paths, and change the way the world is.
Nothing remains static not even religious beliefs. That is the way it is meant to be.
Setting up empires isn't important, what's important is what remains behind for the next generation and the next to come. Those empires couldn't prevent the absolute poverty in the sub-continent today. That is the reason why our past can at the most be a motivational factor for us to believe in ourselves but it can never replace hard work in the present.
Sanskrit is always going to be alive because its the mother of modern languages. You can't be writing what u are without sanskrit.
Muslims were happy in India because they got everything and lots more. Only a fool would want to lose that. :biggthumpup:
Compared to current day muslims, hindus are a sea of peace. lol. Buddhism reached its peak in India and gradually faded out from India. Because it involves a high level of "giving" up on real life, it was not an easy religion for people to follow. Buddhism was born out of extreme violence creating disgust for killing and mayhem and therefore its view is an extreme shunning of violence. But like with most religions what is preached is never practised. Same goes for buddhists today. The point to take home is if you preach non violence at least 1% people will follow it and 90% people will become less violent. There are always gonna be those 10% who will kill and hurt humanity. They are the game-changers. They give birth to new religions, new paths, and change the way the world is.
Nothing remains static not even religious beliefs. That is the way it is meant to be.
Setting up empires isn't important, what's important is what remains behind for the next generation and the next to come. Those empires couldn't prevent the absolute poverty in the sub-continent today. That is the reason why our past can at the most be a motivational factor for us to believe in ourselves but it can never replace hard work in the present.
Sanskrit is always going to be alive because its the mother of modern languages. You can't be writing what u are without sanskrit.
Muslims were happy in India because they got everything and lots more. Only a fool would want to lose that. :biggthumpup:
modern.fakir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I am not getting carried away with any video that I posted for you as the video stems from facts and its backed by facts as well. Secondly, your getting carried away by history that has been altered by the westerners to create a wedge between the hindus and muslims ...
Now all his so called "holes" are non existant because of these facts:
1. The maharani of kutch was indeed raped :biggthumpup:
2. The Vishwanath temple was razed and then rebuilt and the "Farmaans" associated with the rebuilding of not only the vishwanath temple but many other temples are also present in the government records of modern day india!!
3. Temple destruction where desecration had taken place was the prefered method of revenging honour crimes in those days. Remember many hindus did the same thing during that time.
Now all his so called "holes" are non existant because of these facts:
1. The maharani of kutch was indeed raped :biggthumpup:
2. The Vishwanath temple was razed and then rebuilt and the "Farmaans" associated with the rebuilding of not only the vishwanath temple but many other temples are also present in the government records of modern day india!!
3. Temple destruction where desecration had taken place was the prefered method of revenging honour crimes in those days. Remember many hindus did the same thing during that time.
modern.fakir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
They were NOT. As they united hindustan from 550 independant states into one country.
Gave it a great education system, language, architecture, identity and economy.
It were these achievement which made the british come down to loot and plunder hindustan in collusion with your traitorous ancestors who can collude with anyone to loot and plunder india.
Raja sangha was a classical example ![hilar][hilar]
Gave it a great education system, language, architecture, identity and economy.
It were these achievement which made the british come down to loot and plunder hindustan in collusion with your traitorous ancestors who can collude with anyone to loot and plunder india.
Raja sangha was a classical example ![hilar][hilar]
Rashna
Banned
What proof u have that this happened? The only thing which is for real is that the vishwanath temple was razed down and there exists a mosque next to it. I only know that every where in India where there is an important hindu temple there is a mosque. Allow us to build a temple at Badshahi mosque Aurangzeb fakir. Let's see how benevolent u modern day mughals are. lol. How many temples are left in pakistan? Any count?
Rashna
Banned
The mughals had the advantage of being in a country with mild people. None of the muslim countries today has inherited any mild subjects. lol. That is why you were never able to make a mark in the world. No matter what you sow, you can only reap the benefits if you have a fertile land and a hard working farmer. The landowner became rich but the farmer never got anything. That is the reality of the situation. They even lost their dignity in the process. This 25% GDP was inside the coffers of the King, the poor were being taxed and they got poorer and poorer. When u cannot ensure equitable distribution of wealth u have a single monarch who has looted all that the land has to offer. That is why it became so easy for another monarch to overcome the mughal monarchy and loot that 25% wealth. Had it been distributed this would never have happened.
modern.fakir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Philosophy and hallucination have no place in cold hard facts :biggthumpup:
Bring me evidence...
I can talk with facts which you so badly lack !
Where is this "sea of peace" with 125 independance movements and 700 000 troops massed up in kashmir with the rest spread out in the jungles of the red corridor ??[hilar]
Lets here what your elders had to say about the butcher aryan race and your so called mythical peacefull hindu race that NEVER existed :
“The Aryans were so barbaric that they did not even have a word for brick in Sanskrit “.
` History of Science and Technology in Ancient India - The Beginnings ' - D. Chattopadhyaya,
Firma KLM Pvt. Ltd. Calcutta 1986 an excellent rebuff of the opponents of the Aryan invasion idea; quotes from all the following ref's of Kosambi and Chanda .
M.K. Gandhi says, "Hindus (Aryan high caste Hindus) are not considered to be original inhabitants of India."
----- M.K. Gandhi, Hindu Dharma, Bombay, 1991, p. 33.
The coming of the Aryans into India raised new problems - racial and political. The conquered race, the Dravidians had a long background of civilization behind them, but there is a little doubt that the Aryans considered themselves vastly superior to them and a wide gulf seperated the two.
------- Jwaharlal Nehru in 'Discovery of India' (Page 62).
The Ramayana story is one of Aryan expansion to the South. - "Discovery of India" (Page 82).
On the contrary, the Aryans had to learn the languages peculiar to those races and to adopt a portion atleast of their civilization - "Collected work of Sir R. G. Bhadarkar" (Vol III at page 10)
Savarkar: "Hindutva". Vinayak Damodar Savarkar, Savarkar Samagra:
You see chandbibi, you have everyone from major historians to "Bappu" confessing of your immigrant ancestory in India along with the barbaric acts that were committed in the 550 independabnt states that your founding fathers are forced to admit their atrocities.
Setting up of empires to protect your territory is a basic trait of a successfull civilization. Since hindus were never one civilization and they were certainly NEVER successfull hence they never created one :biggthumpup:
which is why no one created in because you had nothing to create it. You were too busy pouring lead into the ears of shudras for listening to the vedas when MuHammad bin Qasim came down to save a damsell in distress [hilar][hilar]
sanskrit is the most useless dead language that has been eliminated in india as no one is willing to speak it. Today the hindutvas are trying hard but even that is going to fail as their is serious opposition from within India to not learn this language and maybe learn german in lieu of it !
INdia is on fire and it needs the muslims to bring it back together than- thats for sure
Bring me evidence...
I can talk with facts which you so badly lack !
Where is this "sea of peace" with 125 independance movements and 700 000 troops massed up in kashmir with the rest spread out in the jungles of the red corridor ??[hilar]
Lets here what your elders had to say about the butcher aryan race and your so called mythical peacefull hindu race that NEVER existed :
“The Aryans were so barbaric that they did not even have a word for brick in Sanskrit “.
` History of Science and Technology in Ancient India - The Beginnings ' - D. Chattopadhyaya,
Firma KLM Pvt. Ltd. Calcutta 1986 an excellent rebuff of the opponents of the Aryan invasion idea; quotes from all the following ref's of Kosambi and Chanda .
M.K. Gandhi says, "Hindus (Aryan high caste Hindus) are not considered to be original inhabitants of India."
----- M.K. Gandhi, Hindu Dharma, Bombay, 1991, p. 33.
The coming of the Aryans into India raised new problems - racial and political. The conquered race, the Dravidians had a long background of civilization behind them, but there is a little doubt that the Aryans considered themselves vastly superior to them and a wide gulf seperated the two.
------- Jwaharlal Nehru in 'Discovery of India' (Page 62).
The Ramayana story is one of Aryan expansion to the South. - "Discovery of India" (Page 82).
On the contrary, the Aryans had to learn the languages peculiar to those races and to adopt a portion atleast of their civilization - "Collected work of Sir R. G. Bhadarkar" (Vol III at page 10)
Savarkar: "Hindutva". Vinayak Damodar Savarkar, Savarkar Samagra:
You see chandbibi, you have everyone from major historians to "Bappu" confessing of your immigrant ancestory in India along with the barbaric acts that were committed in the 550 independabnt states that your founding fathers are forced to admit their atrocities.
Setting up of empires to protect your territory is a basic trait of a successfull civilization. Since hindus were never one civilization and they were certainly NEVER successfull hence they never created one :biggthumpup:
which is why no one created in because you had nothing to create it. You were too busy pouring lead into the ears of shudras for listening to the vedas when MuHammad bin Qasim came down to save a damsell in distress [hilar][hilar]
sanskrit is the most useless dead language that has been eliminated in india as no one is willing to speak it. Today the hindutvas are trying hard but even that is going to fail as their is serious opposition from within India to not learn this language and maybe learn german in lieu of it !
INdia is on fire and it needs the muslims to bring it back together than- thats for sure
