No more debate about Zaid Hamidss faith after watching this ; Yousaf case Myth

[ambroxo]

i didnt c what kind of muqbla was there
but of course ball has important role to play ;)

@Legend, @ambroxo

Its mean, it was Ball to Ball Muqabla . . ​

 

[ambroxo]

????? ??? ?? ??????? ?? ??? ???? ??
?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?? ?
?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?? 7:45 ?? ?? ???? ???? ??

 

[Khalid]

i will .... but first you have to go through this ...

Aafia's research :

The research helps us understand the limits of learning when we need to copy a certain action sequence, be this tying shoelaces, swinging a golf club or learning tai chi.
The study suggests that for short action sequences we may be better off waiting until we watch the whole thing before attempting it ourselves.

LINK
http://mindhacks.com/2008/08/13/fbis...-on-imitation/

and this video ...

............

at this point either you will defend him or will say he is a bloody liar ...

do a good search on google before jumping to conclusion ... and please be honest ...

on the basis of your comment we'll cont ... and yes i will too with open heart

My sipmle request to watch first the whole case ,, I assure you , you will not be able to say anything .. pick out any point out of these vidoes which is wrong

 

[Khalid]

yaara aap tou ghussa kur gaye ...

bhai, aap yeh video aur article dekhen aur batayen aap ki raye hai is barey mein

..........................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0lVLohhDuk&feature=player_embedded

Aafia's research :

The research helps us understand the limits of learning when we need to copy a certain action sequence, be this tying shoelaces, swinging a golf club or learning tai chi.
The study suggests that for short action sequences we may be better off waiting until we watch the whole thing before attempting it ourselves.

LINK


http://mindhacks.com/2008/08/13/fbis...-on-imitation/

and this video ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cIEU_wf9USU

I was amazed when the biggest hater uploaded a video of Zaid Hamid as a proof against Zaid Hamid which in my opinion is the most suitable answer for the anti Zaid Hamid group.

اللہ تعالہ کی حکمت کو جتنا میں سمجھا ہوں اس کے مطابق حدائت صرف اللہ ہی کے پاس ہے۔ انسان صرف کوشش کرسکتا ہے۔ جب اس طرح کی مسغریاں کر کر کے ہلڑی بازی مچائی جاتی ہے تو اندازہ ہوتا ہے کہ کس قدر کٹھن زمہ داری ہے حق گوئی کی۔ اختلاف رائے کرنا ایک الگ بات ہے مگر اس طرح گالم گلوچ کرنا اور وہ بھی ایک دینی مسئلے میں' ایک انتہائی افسوسناک بات ہے۔ صرف اتنا اختلاف ہے کہ زید حامد آج بھی ثابت کرنا چاہتا ہے کہ کسی پر غلط الزام ہے۔ آخر کیا برائی ہے اس میں اگر وہ ثابت کرنا چاہتا ہے تو۔ حالانکہ خود اس مزکورہ ویڈیو میں زید صاحب نے کہا ہے کہ ہوسکتا ہے یوسف پر الزام ٹھیک ہو مگر شریعیت کیا کہتی ہے ایک الزام کے بارے میں اور اس کے کیا تقاضے ہوتے ہیں۔ اتنا تک زید حامد نے کہہ دیا کہ اگر شریعی عدالت میرے پیش کردہ ثبوت ناقافی ہوئے تو مجھے یوسف کو کزاب کہنے میں کوئی قباحت نہیں ہوگی۔
مگر بات صرف اتنی سی ہے کہ سب دلائل اور منطقیں ادھوری رہ جاتی ہیں جب مقابلے میں ہلڑ باز یا بھانڈ قسم کے انسانوں سے پالا پڑ جائے۔ اور ٹکے ٹکے کی باتیں سننی پڑتی ہیں۔ اس لیے میں صرف ان کے لیے دعا ہی کر سکتا ہوں جو کہ ہر حادی کا آخری طریقہ ہوتا ہے۔ یہ لوگ ابھی بھی مجھے یاد کر رہے ہیں کہ میں ان کی باتوں کا جواب کیوں نہیں دیتا۔ شائد یہ مجھے بھی مجبور کرنا چاہتے ہیں کہ میں ان کی سطح تک گر جاوں جو کہ میں نے اب تک نہیں آیا۔ اور میں آنا بھی نہیں چاہتا چاہے یہ مجھے جتنا بھی اس سطح تک لانے کی کوشش کریں۔ شائد میں مزید بحث کر بھی لیتا مگر اب کچھ مصروفیت ایسی آن پڑی ہے کہ اتنا وقت نکالنا آسان نہیں۔ مزید صرف یہ کہنا چاہتا ہوں کہ میں کوئی پارسا بننے کی کوشش نہیں کررہا بلکہ انتہائی گناہگار انسان ہوں۔ صرف دل میں ایک جزبہ تھا ہے کہ کسی طرح میں بھی حق گوئی کر سکوں اور یقیناً کروں گا مگر پھر کسی وقت۔ اس لیے برائے مہربانی مجھے خواہ مخواہ کسی پوسٹ میں مینشن یا کوٹ نہ کیا جائے۔ اللہ تعالہ ہم سب کو حدائت دے۔ آمین۔

 

[Khalid]

it was not planned ... but it was his destiny so nobody could stop it ...

btw ... just to update you on the same ... Dr. has declared the ball has irrepairable damage ... it has to be replaced ASAP ... they are looking for donor ...
please forward this message to all ZH fans ... otherwise they'll be responsible for loosing 4G battle ..

@Legend, @ambroxo

Its mean, it was Ball to Ball Muqabla . . ​

 

[Ayazzkhan]

????? ??? ?? ??????? ?? ??? ???? ??
?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?? ?
?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?? 7:45 ?? ?? ???? ???? ??

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Beta afsos he tmpe.. aur tmhari knowledge, tme ye ni pta k yousaf ko saza nabi hony ka dawa karny par nahi rather khud ko khilfa kehny par hoe the, Nabi hony ka blame sabit he ni hua, so tm phly judge k faisly ki statement parh lo to behtr ha,, fazol behs kiye ja rahy ho
aur jo admi as a witness paish hua tha usne yousaf par zina ka elzam pe lagaya tha jo sabit nahi hua so uski dosri gawahi be qabol ni ho sakti according to sharia..

 

[ambroxo]

beta afsoos to is baat hay kah aik to kazab ko sacha sumjtay ho, phir logon ko us ki traf bulatay bhi hoo
yusuf aik kazab tha aur us ko isi case main saza hoi .. uper case post kr dia hay kisi nay pr loo
or yah marddo lalu us ka khalifa tha

Beta afsos he tmpe.. aur tmhari knowledge, tme ye ni pta k yousaf ko saza nabi hony ka dawa karny par nahi rather khud ko khilfa kehny par hoe the, Nabi hony ka blame sabit he ni hua, so tm phly judge k faisly ki statement parh lo to behtr ha,, fazol behs kiye ja rahy ho
aur jo admi as a witness paish hua tha usne yousaf par zina ka elzam pe lagaya tha jo sabit nahi hua so uski dosri gawahi be qabol ni ho sakti according to sharia..

 

[Ayazzkhan]

for me zaid hamid died when he himself accepted that he had link with yousaf kazab and he is still suporter of him...


Now do not want to waste my time on him anymore.

for you ,,, is first to prove, that whether yousaf have declared hmself as nabi or not, so please first investigate , have a detailed study, my sincere suggestion

 

[Ayazzkhan]

beta afsoos to is baat hay kah aik to kazab ko sacha sumjtay ho, phir logon ko us ki traf bulatay bhi hoo
yusuf aik kazab tha aur us ko isi case main saza hoi .. uper case post kr dia hay kisi nay pr loo
or yah marddo lalu us ka khalifa tha

beta ilzam sabit he ni hua tha, aur dawa nabi ka nahi khilafat ka tha. us ki gawahi qabol he ni ho sakti , judge ne faisala unbaised ho k dia tha kia ya molvis k pressure aur threats me aa k. ho sakta ha yousaf kazzab ho but phly sabit to ho jaye, zaid be yahe kehta ha , beeta shariat ka mazaq ni urrao,, aqal se kam lo jo ha nahi tmahry pas.. us aadmi ki gawahi qabol ha kia.. tm yaha qun khamosh ho en pe
aur sab log adalt k faisal pe he usay kazab kehty hen

 

[ambroxo]

haan bayta us ko saza isi liay hoi thi kah woh aik kazab tha

beta ilzam sabit he ni hua tha, aur dawa nabi ka nahi khilafat ka tha. us ki gawahi qabol he ni ho sakti , judge ne faisala unbaised ho k dia tha kia ya molvis k pressure aur threats me aa k. ho sakta ha yousaf kazzab ho but phly sabit to ho jaye, zaid be yahe kehta ha , beeta shariat ka mazaq ni urrao,, aqal se kam lo jo ha nahi tmahry pas.. us aadmi ki gawahi qabol ha kia.. tm yaha qun khamosh ho en pe
aur sab log adalt k faisal pe he usay kazab kehty hen

 

[Temojin]

beta ilzam sabit he ni hua tha, aur dawa nabi ka nahi khilafat ka tha. us ki gawahi qabol he ni ho sakti , judge ne faisala unbaised ho k dia tha kia ya molvis k pressure aur threats me aa k. ho sakta ha yousaf kazzab ho but phly sabit to ho jaye, zaid be yahe kehta ha , beeta shariat ka mazaq ni urrao,, aqal se kam lo jo ha nahi tmahry pas.. us aadmi ki gawahi qabol ha kia.. tm yaha qun khamosh ho en pe
aur sab log adalt k faisal pe he usay kazab kehty hen

Leave it mate, this hooligans have been on a go since zia's time due to endless funds. You can see them rise again in the form of difa e Pakistan council yet in fact they hate anyone who talks about the really strong and stable Pakistan, who takes these takfiris head on. You have done what you had to, now don't even reply upon this thread.

It was not proven that Yousuf Ali was a kazzab at all, it was just another propaganda shoot out like this clown ashrafi is doing these days. I always have a question to this clown of a person ke bhai agar itne hee perwanay ho deen ke to Zaid Hamid islamabad mein hee rehta hai why don't you go there and have a conversation with him and finish the story of kazzab's follower once and for all. No they will keep on challenging on youtube etc. and the only time they started to burn again was when ZH emerged as a proPakistan figure, otherwise, where were they when ZH was living in Pakistan for these many years after death of Yousuf.

ZH is welcomed in and by all madrissahs, shrines and scholars except the ones where these takfiris rule.

My brotherly advice to you is to leave this matter as it is. Time is almost there when these clowns will be shoved into tiny holes and this is not my word but Sufi Barkat Ali sahab's words.

 

[hamzabaloch]

for you ,,, is first to prove, that whether yousaf have declared hmself as nabi or not, so please first investigate , have a detailed study, my sincere suggestion

Better for U to open ur mind.. He said that dr israr support him.U can find dr israr video on net, he reject yousaf and point him as "kazab". Same tanzeem E Islami change their stance when they come to know about zahid affilation with yousaf kezab.

 

[xshadow]

yaara aap tou ghussa kur gaye ...

bhai, aap yeh video aur article dekhen aur batayen aap ki raye hai is barey mein

..........................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0lVLohhDuk&feature=player_embedded

Aafia's research :

The research helps us understand the limits of learning when we need to copy a certain action sequence, be this tying shoelaces, swinging a golf club or learning tai chi.
The study suggests that for short action sequences we may be better off waiting until we watch the whole thing before attempting it ourselves.

http://mindhacks.com/2008/08/13/fbis...-on-imitation/

and this video ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cIEU_wf9USU

Your second link didn't work.

Though, you should watch all the interview but your answers start from 6:20.

Back off now. I don't have time to change your point of view.

We believe Zaid Hamid's words because we think he is an honest person. If you don't want to believe, so what? Do whatever you want to.

 

[Ayazzkhan]

Leave it mate, this hooligans have been on a go since zia's time due to endless funds. You can see them rise again in the form of difa e Pakistan council yet in fact they hate anyone who talks about the really strong and stable Pakistan, who takes these takfiris head on. You have done what you had to, now don't even reply upon this thread.

It was not proven that Yousuf Ali was a kazzab at all, it was just another propaganda shoot out like this clown ashrafi is doing these days. I always have a question to this clown of a person ke bhai agar itne hee perwanay ho deen ke to Zaid Hamid islamabad mein hee rehta hai why don't you go there and have a conversation with him and finish the story of kazzab's follower once and for all. No they will keep on challenging on youtube etc. and the only time they started to burn again was when ZH emerged as a proPakistan figure, otherwise, where were they when ZH was living in Pakistan for these many years after death of Yousuf.

ZH is welcomed in and by all madrissahs, shrines and scholars except the ones where these takfiris rule.

My brotherly advice to you is to leave this matter as it is. Time is almost there when these clowns will be shoved into tiny holes and this is not my word but Sufi Barkat Ali sahab's words.

Thanks, yes Im of the view, if Ziad is wrong , He can never come on news channels and talk shows. simple for them is to go courts and prove him gulity.. if he is.

 

[Ayazzkhan]

haan bayta us ko saza isi liay hoi thi kah woh aik kazab tha

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you have no answer , was that witness acceptable, you have no answer,
debate is concluded here..
Im leaving

 

[ambroxo]

buy buy ;)
but kazab will remain kazab and jehli sahabi cannot be real, both r murtad

[

you have no answer , was that witness acceptable, you have no answer,
debate is concluded here..
Im leaving

 

[Khalid]

try this LINK

please go through it ... and then watch this video again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0lVLohhDuk&feature=player_embedded

Your second link didn't work.

Though, you should watch all the interview but your answers start from 6:20.

Back off now. I don't have time to change your point of view.

We believe Zaid Hamid's words because we think he is an honest person. If you don't want to believe, so what? Do whatever you want to.

 

[Khalid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0lVL...layer_embedded

Aafia's research :

The research helps us understand the limits of learning when we need to copy a certain action sequence, be this tying shoelaces, swinging a golf club or learning tai chi.
The study suggests that for short action sequences we may be better off waiting until we watch the whole thing before attempting it ourselves.

LINK
http://mindhacks.com/2008/08/13/fbis-most-wanted-neuroscientist-on-imitation/

and this video ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=cIEU_wf9USU

Leave it mate, this hooligans have been on a go since zia's time due to endless funds. You can see them rise again in the form of difa e Pakistan council yet in fact they hate anyone who talks about the really strong and stable Pakistan, who takes these takfiris head on. You have done what you had to, now don't even reply upon this thread.

It was not proven that Yousuf Ali was a kazzab at all, it was just another propaganda shoot out like this clown ashrafi is doing these days. I always have a question to this clown of a person ke bhai agar itne hee perwanay ho deen ke to Zaid Hamid islamabad mein hee rehta hai why don't you go there and have a conversation with him and finish the story of kazzab's follower once and for all. No they will keep on challenging on youtube etc. and the only time they started to burn again was when ZH emerged as a proPakistan figure, otherwise, where were they when ZH was living in Pakistan for these many years after death of Yousuf.

ZH is welcomed in and by all madrissahs, shrines and scholars except the ones where these takfiris rule.

My brotherly advice to you is to leave this matter as it is. Time is almost there when these clowns will be shoved into tiny holes and this is not my word but Sufi Barkat Ali sahab's words.

 

[Ayazzkhan]

@ Temojin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0lVL...layer_embedded

Aafia's research :

The research helps us understand the limits of learning when we need to copy a certain action sequence, be this tying shoelaces, swinging a golf club or learning tai chi.
The study suggests that for short action sequences we may be better off waiting until we watch the whole thing before attempting it ourselves.

LINK
http://mindhacks.com/2008/08/13/fbis-most-wanted-neuroscientist-on-imitation/

and this video ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=cIEU_wf9USU

what copy paste you doing man..
afia is a neurologist or having some other studies.. there are news favoring him and disfavoring at the same time.. your wikipedia, the biggest source of knowledge, still says she is a neurologist,, and google these words Afia A neurologist there were more than ten links saying that she is a neuroscientist.. so it becomes a controversal.. every one is confused.. then why to blame only zaid hamid
speak up ??

 

[Temojin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0lVL...layer_embedded

Aafia's research :

The research helps us understand the limits of learning when we need to copy a certain action sequence, be this tying shoelaces, swinging a golf club or learning tai chi.
The study suggests that for short action sequences we may be better off waiting until we watch the whole thing before attempting it ourselves.

LINK
http://mindhacks.com/2008/08/13/fbis-most-wanted-neuroscientist-on-imitation/

and this video ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=cIEU_wf9USU

Really don't want to get indulged into a debate when I have instructed another mate otherwise. I know some things, everybody knows things, we are all humans, some luckier to know some more while some are not. I have access to some quarters for information which have more info than generally we are supposed to know (as decided by the power brokers) yet what say, leave it mate.