Namaz py koi compromise nahi

[Citizen X]

By all means, if you feel comfortable performing the ritual Namaz go ahead. My family members do perform the ritual Namaz but, I don't anymore. Until and unless I find out the concrete meaning/understanding of the word Salat from the Quran, I just can't keep repeating the ritual Namaz over and over again with zero outcomes.
I could be wrong but, I don't believe that there is any verse in the Quran about sinning if, we do not perform "Namaz" (But as per some forum members, you are a sinner LOL!).

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[Citizen X]

By all means, if you feel comfortable performing the ritual Namaz go ahead. My family members do perform the ritual Namaz but, I don't anymore. Until and unless I find out the concrete meaning/understanding of the word Salat from the Quran, I just can't keep repeating the ritual Namaz over and over again with zero outcomes.
I could be wrong but, I don't believe that there is any verse in the Quran about sinning if, we do not perform "Namaz" (But as per some forum members, you are a sinner LOL!).

A similar argument to what Ghamdi saab makes which also sort of gives a very viable justification of why the details of the salah are not in the Quran.

For the moment I'm just weighing all the arguments from all sides, pro and con

 

[Mughal1]

Ok for my own clarification since I have a lot of doubt regarding this, I would like to ask both of you gentlemen what is the salah mentioned in the Quran multiple times, and there is a verse also that says that during battle one still has to perform them, when group is finished the other can come and perform them. Surah Nissah 103.

I have watched the detailed videos from Quran Centric on this but his explanations and arguments of "salah sessions" do not sit well with me. Ghulam Ahmad Pervez I consider to be for lack of a better word a lunatic, and I've come to this conclusion after hearing and watching him.

TBH the best conclusion that sits well with my intellect is what Ghamdi saab has come up with, but there is also a major flaw in his explanation that the ritual salah as performed by billions of Muslims was passed down to generation to generation going back to how people saw the Prophet s.a.w perform.

1st issue is that is the same issue with hadith, how can something be preserved flawless for centuries just by word of mouth, as even science proves human memory is not very dependable and unknowingly make up things over time. So even if there was a ritual prayer there is absolutely no guarantee that what we know as salah today is the same salah from the Prophets time.

2nd issue I find it hard to believe that Allah s.w.t would require us to go through such a ritualistic practice with really no real foreseeable benefit

So I'm at odds at to what really is salah, cannot totally disregard it as it is clearly mentioned and emphasized in the Quran quite a lot.

P.S : Specially for Mr Mughal saab please keep your answer free from perwez and precise, no one is going to read your novels or here, here and here and most of all free from "azeezum"

azeezam citizen x sb, I have explained already what salaah is not and cannot be and also what salaah is and can be. The quran uses word salaah many times but each time it needs to be interpreted within its own proper context which is not mazhab but al-deen al-islam. Mostly salaah means a group or party of people or a human society or community or ummah etc etc. For example, when the quran says, yuqeemoonassalaah in 2/3 it means they establish a proper human community or connect people together or form a community network or turn people into an ummah or human brotherhood or a family. Not only that it also tells us right there they spend fruit of their labour upon it. So it in a way is telling us what zakaah is. It is something that makes community strong through means of things of need or necessities of life or livelihood or maintenance. In simple, the quran here is telling us to come together to form a community network to ensure well being of everyone in the community.

I will here refer you to dr qamar zamaan marhoom's work on this subject who explains problems between mullaans' interpretations of the quran on this subject and his own understanding of things. You will have to read through to get hang of it. There are no short cuts here if you really wish to understand this subject. So please get on with it and all your confusion in this regard will hopefully disappear. Probably this is what everyone is looking for ie namaaz deen ka satoon kyun nahin ho sakti

or

why five daily prayers cannot be pillar of deen of islam.

regards and all the best.

 

[Citizen X]

azeezam citizen x sb

most of all free from "azeezum"

^^^^ Didn't read my post now did you.

Your post is trying to argue, that salah cannot be the five ritual prayers, I'm asking if not the five ritual prayers then what is it? That is my question, some of the explanations make sense but then fall flat when it comes to the context of Surah Nissah 103.

Reading the preceding verses and 103 it points towards something that has to be done routinely even when you are travelling and in fear of your life from your enemies hence you are allowed to have your weapons by you side.

None of the explanations on offer can resolve their conflict with verse 103 of surah nissah.