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(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Or as it's also known as Musnad Ahmed. This will be the third book of from the Sahih Sitta which forms the basis of the Sunni version of Islam which we will look into. Complied by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, contains around 27-30,000 hadith from 800 different narrators, it is strange to see as time progresses and the further you move away from Medina, the final city the prophet lived in, the number of hadith seem to increase in number exponentially.
The first known hadith are supposedly from Abu Hurairah's students 80 ish years after the prophet passed has around 130 ish odd hadith. The earliest compilation of hadith is The Muwatta of Imam Malik which has around 200-250 unique hadith from the Prophet. So going from Sahifa Of Hammam with only 138 hadith to 30,000 hadith, so in a period of less than 150 years it went from 138 hadith to 30,000 hadiths and we are not even counting over half a million hadith that had been memorized ( talk about super human memorization ability) got rejected by their "strict scrutiny"! So where did so many many hadith just come out of nowhere all of a student.
And seems like Ahmed Ibn Hanbal had a very high view of himself as the it reads in the introduction “I made this book an imam, if people differ about the Sunnah of the Messenger of God" So Ibn Hanbal has acquired the authority on hs own and is unilaterally declared his book an Imam of the hadith.
Well that's not even the beginning of the issues with Musnad Ahmed. Once again as always this collection comes in around 230 years after the Prophet left this earth. Then he teaches these 30,000 hadith to his two sons, Abdullah and Salih and two of his nephews Hanbal Ibn Ishaq and Said Ibn Mansur. So at least four people have been taught this musnad.
So this all too important task of "preserving the Prophet's sunnah" for future generations is transmitted by ONLY one person. Abdullah his son. Who went on to have great students like Abu Bakr al-Khallal, Abu Ya'la al-Farra, Ibn al-Mubarak and Abu Zur'ah al-Razi, who later themselves wrote books like Al Amali, Al Asrar and become fiqh and hadith scholars themselves.
BUT no one from all these great students transmit the Musnad Ahmed. And only one student of his transmits it. Aḥmad ibn Ja'far al-Qaṭī'ī. Now the issue here is, Al Qati is only 19 yrs of age, some even say he was only 16 when Abdullah dies, but we will be generous and say 19. So it is a bit of stretch, he as a Muslim boy will first learn the Quran and then usool and then maybe by 13 to 14yrs of age start studying hadith so only 4 to 5 years for learning all 30,000 hadith of the musnad, not to mention having the great responsibility on his shoulders of "preserving the sunnah" on his sole young shoulders
Renowned scholars has some choice words for Al Qati. Al Dahabi said, he makes mistakes, Al Hajjar also says the same, Abi Al-Fawaris says he added hadith which were not part of the musnad, and very skeptical about the reliability of these additions and had errors in his chains. SO overall not a very reliable transmitter as per these well known scholars. Not to mention his area sank in a flood and and he lost his copy of the Musnad.
Then, parts of his books were lost after that, so he copied them from a book which they said he had not heard from, so they criticized him for that.... However, he became confused at the end of his life, lost his sight, and became senile, until he did not know anything of what was read to him (History of Baghdad - 5/116)
Then from Al Qati only one highly problematic narrator Abu Ali ibn al Mudhib is the sole transmitter, his reliability is questioned due to instances of mixing authentic narrations with weak ones. Specifically, he appended his name to certain narrations without proper verification, casting doubt on their authenticity. And the Al Mudhib transmits to Abul Qasim Hibatullah. Thats 191 years the death of Ahmed Ibn Hanbal and 421 years after the passing of the Prophet. And still we don't have any copies by any of these people.
The earliest known copy we have is from 512AH by hanbali scholar Abu Bakr ibn Abd al-Aziz ibn Aḥmad al Ḥanbali at the Süleymaniye Library in Istanbul. A full 501 years after the Prophet passed away and 271 years from Ahmed Al Hanbal.
So basically Musnad Ibn Hanbal is as hadith sciences would put it Khabar wahid because we have 3 sole transmitters in its Isnad and cannot be once again classified as Sahih according to the hadith sciences and muhaditseen as it has unreliable transmitters in the chain.
So another book of the Sahih Sitta turns out to be not so sahih once. Thats 3 down already.
Wonder what we will find when we investigate the other three. Stay tuned!
Edit : For the haters, you can hate the messenger of this post i.e me as much as you want but it doesn't change the facts posted. Everything mentioned in this post is taken from established classical sunni sources, scholars and personalities. You can cross check them if you want or present facts refuting this evidence if you have any. If you just want to get emotional and aimlessly scream and shout, You're most welcome to do that too.
The first known hadith are supposedly from Abu Hurairah's students 80 ish years after the prophet passed has around 130 ish odd hadith. The earliest compilation of hadith is The Muwatta of Imam Malik which has around 200-250 unique hadith from the Prophet. So going from Sahifa Of Hammam with only 138 hadith to 30,000 hadith, so in a period of less than 150 years it went from 138 hadith to 30,000 hadiths and we are not even counting over half a million hadith that had been memorized ( talk about super human memorization ability) got rejected by their "strict scrutiny"! So where did so many many hadith just come out of nowhere all of a student.
And seems like Ahmed Ibn Hanbal had a very high view of himself as the it reads in the introduction “I made this book an imam, if people differ about the Sunnah of the Messenger of God" So Ibn Hanbal has acquired the authority on hs own and is unilaterally declared his book an Imam of the hadith.
Well that's not even the beginning of the issues with Musnad Ahmed. Once again as always this collection comes in around 230 years after the Prophet left this earth. Then he teaches these 30,000 hadith to his two sons, Abdullah and Salih and two of his nephews Hanbal Ibn Ishaq and Said Ibn Mansur. So at least four people have been taught this musnad.
So this all too important task of "preserving the Prophet's sunnah" for future generations is transmitted by ONLY one person. Abdullah his son. Who went on to have great students like Abu Bakr al-Khallal, Abu Ya'la al-Farra, Ibn al-Mubarak and Abu Zur'ah al-Razi, who later themselves wrote books like Al Amali, Al Asrar and become fiqh and hadith scholars themselves.
BUT no one from all these great students transmit the Musnad Ahmed. And only one student of his transmits it. Aḥmad ibn Ja'far al-Qaṭī'ī. Now the issue here is, Al Qati is only 19 yrs of age, some even say he was only 16 when Abdullah dies, but we will be generous and say 19. So it is a bit of stretch, he as a Muslim boy will first learn the Quran and then usool and then maybe by 13 to 14yrs of age start studying hadith so only 4 to 5 years for learning all 30,000 hadith of the musnad, not to mention having the great responsibility on his shoulders of "preserving the sunnah" on his sole young shoulders
Renowned scholars has some choice words for Al Qati. Al Dahabi said, he makes mistakes, Al Hajjar also says the same, Abi Al-Fawaris says he added hadith which were not part of the musnad, and very skeptical about the reliability of these additions and had errors in his chains. SO overall not a very reliable transmitter as per these well known scholars. Not to mention his area sank in a flood and and he lost his copy of the Musnad.
Then, parts of his books were lost after that, so he copied them from a book which they said he had not heard from, so they criticized him for that.... However, he became confused at the end of his life, lost his sight, and became senile, until he did not know anything of what was read to him (History of Baghdad - 5/116)
Then from Al Qati only one highly problematic narrator Abu Ali ibn al Mudhib is the sole transmitter, his reliability is questioned due to instances of mixing authentic narrations with weak ones. Specifically, he appended his name to certain narrations without proper verification, casting doubt on their authenticity. And the Al Mudhib transmits to Abul Qasim Hibatullah. Thats 191 years the death of Ahmed Ibn Hanbal and 421 years after the passing of the Prophet. And still we don't have any copies by any of these people.
The earliest known copy we have is from 512AH by hanbali scholar Abu Bakr ibn Abd al-Aziz ibn Aḥmad al Ḥanbali at the Süleymaniye Library in Istanbul. A full 501 years after the Prophet passed away and 271 years from Ahmed Al Hanbal.
So basically Musnad Ibn Hanbal is as hadith sciences would put it Khabar wahid because we have 3 sole transmitters in its Isnad and cannot be once again classified as Sahih according to the hadith sciences and muhaditseen as it has unreliable transmitters in the chain.
So another book of the Sahih Sitta turns out to be not so sahih once. Thats 3 down already.
Wonder what we will find when we investigate the other three. Stay tuned!
Edit : For the haters, you can hate the messenger of this post i.e me as much as you want but it doesn't change the facts posted. Everything mentioned in this post is taken from established classical sunni sources, scholars and personalities. You can cross check them if you want or present facts refuting this evidence if you have any. If you just want to get emotional and aimlessly scream and shout, You're most welcome to do that too.
