Muhammad S.A.W is Super Power! we have to get Mumtaz Qadri released

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Pak Falcon

Minister (2k+ posts)
look u r wasting ur time by making senseless arguments.... they were about to release her ,, salman taseer said in his numerous interviews that president is willing to sign pardon for her... ALLAH bless mumtaz qadri who ruined their plan... and we are willing to pay double the amount that was paid against remaind devis departure :) hopefully u can make a deal between us

Hopefully you dont get that amount by kidnapping, extortion or bank robbery and yes im really wasting my time with a most farigh person and a fasadi molvi there is no need to do any argument with those who only understand the language of weapon
 

akmal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
آپ کی گنگا الٹی ہی بھنی ہے اور بہ رہی ہے ، سیدھا کہیں کہ اس نے بھی غلطی کی ہے ، اور میں نے کہاں کہا ہے کہ اس کو قتل کر دیں ، آپ ابھی تک اس بات کی طرف نہیں آ رہے کہ اصل معاملہ کیا ہے


الله کا قانون انسان نہیں بدل سکتے یہ آپ کی غلط فہمی ہے ،اس کا اطلاق یہاں آپ کیسے کر رہے ہیں ؟؟؟' کیا الله کا قانون ناقص ہے آپ کی رائے میں اس لئے وہ انسانوں سے کہتا ہے کہ اس سے نتیجہ نکالو ؟؟؟ انسان اس کا پیدا کردہ ہے یا نہیں ؟؟؟ اگر ہے تو بنانے والا زیادہ جانتا ہے یا جو اپنے بنانے والے کے خلاف بولے ؟؟

انسان واقعی خط کا پتلا ہے ، جیسے میں نے اوپر کہا اس طرح کی خطا پاکستان میں جان بوجھ کر بھی کروائی جاتی ہے اور غریب بے چارہ پھنس جاتا ہے


اب مجھے نہیں پتا بتی مافیا پاکستان میں کیا چاہتا ہے ، پاکستان میں تین افراد کے قاتل کو امریکا پاکستان کی خود مختاری کو اپنے پاؤں میں روندتے ہوئے لے جا رہا تھا اور یہ بتی مافیا اس کے خلاف بھی کیوں نہیں نکلا ، بلکہ ان خاندانوں کو قائل کرنے میں پیش پیش تھا



کہاں لکھا ہے یہ قانون کہ گستاخ کی سزا موت ہے؟
یا گستاخ کے ساتھ پریس کانفرنس کرنے کی سزا بھی موت ہے؟
 

aimless

Minister (2k+ posts)
:) lol another person who havent read history of islam... first go n read it ... u will find many such cases ,,,, let me tell u one secret thing dont tell anyone shhhhsss .....there were munafiqs in the days of sahaba who usually criticised these type of acts done by sahaba.... havent u know Nabi PAK pbuh ordered a ghustakh to be killed who was hiding behind the curtains of kaaba

LOL calling an other muslim munfiq :P wow i can understand how good muslim ur and how much u read, anyway :) no i don't know that incident you mention care to share a source ... btw when i talk i know what is written in Quran and in hadith where if you follow some molvi who don't even know what Islam means what can i do :) ...

still I am ready to listen to you if you can bring one proper source from Hadith or Quran , where a person is allowed to kill other person without being in war or having authority from govt. as rem in mumtaz qadari case he is individual not a govt. authority :) I will wait for your reply .. becz what he did is called murder in the eyes of Islam ...

And if you will not able to bring even one source then :P i think u will give a fatwa to kill me :P right


 

OnlyPK

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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LOL calling an other muslim munfiq :P wow i can understand how good muslim ur and how much u read, anyway :) no i don't know that incident you mention care to share a source ... btw when i talk i know what is written in Quran and in hadith where if you follow some molvi who don't even know what Islam means what can i do :) ...

still I am ready to listen to you if you can bring one proper source from Hadith or Quran , where a person is allowed to kill other person without being in war or having authority from govt. as rem in mumtaz qadari case he is individual not a govt. authority :) I will wait for your reply .. becz what he did is called murder in the eyes of Islam ...

And if you will not able to bring even one source then :P i think u will give a fatwa to kill me :P right


i told u about how munafiqs behaved ok ,, i will give u the source :) we will see than how u behave
 

Pak Falcon

Minister (2k+ posts)
dnt be a cry child :) u think sc is the authority in islamic principles ... i pray O ALLAH do my hashar with mumtaz qadri ... u r like other ignorants who just and dnt accept facts

Since im not a fasadi, dont do bomb blasts and dont kill anyone in the name of islam I can only cry and pray to Allah to save us from khawariji fitna and fasad. As I said earlier if you think sc is wrong go and attack it just like ur brother qadri attacked taseer. But you wont attack SC because you know you would be killed and burned in hell nobody would save you!
 

aimless

Minister (2k+ posts)
i told u about how munafiqs behaved ok ,, i will give u the source :) we will see than how u behave

Sure :) and if you can't then i will see how you behave :) ... and we can talk like educated ppl .. as our intention should be to help each other rather than to show how other person is lower :) ... so i will wait for the source and hope we can have a nice educated debate rather than :) funny useless one
 
http://www.urduplanet.com/showthread.php?t=23372
Sure :) and if you can't then i will see how you behave :) ... and we can talk like educated ppl .. as our intention should be to help each other rather than to show how other person is lower :) ... so i will wait for the source and hope we can have a nice educated debate rather than :) funny useless one
i m sorry if i hurt ur feelings .. read it ... few people were killed even if they were hiding behind the curtains of kaabad http://www.urduplanet.com/showthread.php?t=23372
 

aimless

Minister (2k+ posts)
http://www.urduplanet.com/showthread.php?t=23372 i m sorry if i hurt ur feelings .. read it ... few people were killed even if they were hiding behind the curtains of kaabad http://www.urduplanet.com/showthread.php?t=23372

Ok it was long but i try to read all (if you find that i miss something please do ref me again) ... i didn't find any ref. which proves an individual can go and kill an other without being an authority ... Thought the majority of ref. in the read do not belong to hadith books still if i agree to all .. it clearly shows that the orders were given after the govt. of makkah was made and then all orders came from govt. (authority)

That is my point , that no individual can decide what is right and wrong and then act to kill other it will bring only fitna .. lets say for argument , if a shia think sunny is against islam or if a sunny think shia is against islam can we allow them to kill ... thats y govt. exist and courts exist ... and if someone don't believe in court then he/she should do hijrat as going in a war against muslim country / army is not allowed too in Islam. and if one think he she can't do hijrat then they can live like they are in a non muslim country ... and there are no. of times its been told how a muslim should follow the law of the land.






 

Allah_Ka_Banda

Senator (1k+ posts)
u mean there is no difference between tolerance and begherti ..... if some one abuses ur family would u be tolerant than? aasiya maloona is a ghustakh still in imprisoment, not hanged , even after his death sentence. salman taseer wanted to get him released .. his plans was ruined by our hero mumtaz qadri ...salute to mumtaz qadri :) the ghazi aalamuddin of the 21st century

You have a right to disagree....

Just wonder, if any of the Sahaaba Karaam (companions of Muhammad SAW) tried to kill the woman who used to throw rubbish on our beloved Prophet SAW ?
Certainly NOT....
All his life he himself preached
Tolerance & forgiveness
and always prayed for the Hadayat of non believers...

May Allah guide us to inspire non-believers through our good conduct rather than us trying to impose our religious beliefs on others.... it only creates hate & rebellion....

Lets spread love, harmony & peace.... as Allah & His Prophet Muhammad SAW always preached PEACE...
 

Tyrion Lannister

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ohh i think u dnt watch tv or your cable got disconnected .. i tell u the whole background .. we took legal process and got aasiya convicted in blasphamy than salman taseer went to meet her ..said she is innocent than openly announced to get pardon for her ,, than we tried to launch fir against salman taseer but police refused to do so ..... i think u wanted salman taseer to get assiya out of the jail and than amend the law of blasphamy, after that blasphamy cases would skyrocketed :) thanks to mumtaz qadri he put a fullstop to that .
lol lge rho hur chopo sb ko maro
 

Sam Sam

Senator (1k+ posts)
ایک پاگل آدمی نے تھریڈ شروع کیا ہے اور آپ لوگوں کو پاگلوں کی طرح اپنے پیچھے لگا لیا ہے بہتر نہ ہو کہ آپ اس پہ اپنا وقت برباد نہ کریں اور نہ اس پہ کوئی کمنٹس کریں تاکہ یہ پاگل پن اپنی موت آپ مر جائے.
 

Allah_Ka_Banda

Senator (1k+ posts)
this is called absence of knowledge ... u dnt knw that in the days of makkah every muslim was prohibited to reply or fight back to any type of aggression ... it was not allowed by ALLAH ... when muslims were allowed to retaliate than a blind sahabi killed a women who used to say bad things about NABI pak pbuh . this is similar to when muslims were not prohibited to drink alcohol they used to drink when ALLAH made that illegal than muslims refrained from doing so. In the early days of islam no sahabi used to retaliate even if they were dragged on the streets of makkah

So you are saying that our Prophet SAW taught us to kill anyone who says anything bad about him or against him? He taught us No tolerance? Is that what you mean?
Well no matter what you believe I won't belittle or mock you about knowledge.... Irony is religiously emotional or ignorant people from same religion have killed each other just on the basis of different sect and everyone think they are superior and have more knowledge and they are the only one from those 70 sects that will go jannat... if that is the case with in people like you from same religion then I am not gonna waste any further time on talking about tolerance for non believers when the tolerance within believers is at that level that they are emotionally charged to take each other's life.... May Allah guide us...

I see this religion as religion of PEACE, FORGIVENESS, TOLERANCE, & COEXISTENCE.
 
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Allah_Ka_Banda

Senator (1k+ posts)
lol ... every one runs away when i present facts ,,, u r not exception .. here is ur religion of peace read it
حضرت عبداللہ بن عباس رضی اللہ عنہما سے روایت ہے کہ ایک نابینا کی ام ولد باندی تھی جو نبی ا کو گالیاں دیتی تھی اور آپ کی شان میں گستاخی کرتی تھی یہ اس کو روکتا تھا مگر نہ رکتی تھی، یہ اس کو ڈانٹتا تھا مگر وہ نہ مانتی تھی۔ راوی کہتے ہیں کہ جب ایک رات پھر نبی کریم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کی شان میں گستاخیاں کرنی شروع کی تو اس نابینا نے ہتھیار(خنجر) لیا اور اس کے پیٹ پر رکھا اور وزن ڈال کر دبا دیا اور مار ڈالا۔ جب صبح ہوئی تو یہ واقعہ حضور اکے یہاں ذکر کیا گیا۔ آپ ا نے لوگوں کو جمع کیا پھر فرمایا: اس آدمی کو اللہ کی قسم دیتا ہوں، جس نے کیا جو کچھ کیا، میرا اس پر حق ہے کہ وہ کھڑا ہوجائے تو نابینا کھڑا ہوگیا، لوگوں کو پھلانگتا ہوا ، اس حالت میں آگے بڑھا کہ وہ کانپ رہا تھا حتیٰ کہ حضور صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے سامنے بیٹھ گیا اور عرض کیا کہ یا رسول ا میں ہوں اسے مارنے والا، یہ آپ کو گالیاں دیتی تھی اور گستاخیاں کرتی تھی، میں اسے روکتا تھا وہ رکتی نہ تھی، میں دھمکاتا تھا وہ باز نہ آتی تھی اور اس سے میرے دو بچے ہیں جو موتیوں کی طرح ہیں وہ مجھ پر مہربان بھی تھی لیکن آج رات جب اس نے آپ کو گالیاں دینی اور برا بھلا کہنا شروع کیا تو میں نے خنجر لیا اس کے پیٹ پر رکھا اور زور لگا کر اسے مار ڈالا ۔ نبی پاک ا نے فرمایا : لوگو گواہ رہو !اس کا خون بے بدلا (بے سزا) ہے۔
(ابو داؤد ص۶، جمع الفوائد ص۲۸۴ بحوالہ ابو داؤد ، نسائی، کنزالعمال ج۷،ص۳۰۴)


”اگر وہ عہد کرنے کے بعد اپنی قسموں کو توڑ ڈالیں اور تمہارے دین میں طعن کریں تو ان کفر کے پیشواوئں کے ساتھ جنگ کرو۔“ (التوبہ، ۱۲)
حافظ ابنِ کثیر اس آیت کے ضمن میں واضح حکم لگاتے ہیں: ” جو آنحضرت اکی شان میں بدگوئی کرے ، کوئی طعن یا عیب لگائے ، وہ قتل کیا جائے گا“۔ (تفسیر ابنِ کثیر، ج۲، ص۳۷)


حضرت علی رضی اللہ عنہ سے روایت ہے کہ ایک یہودیہ عورت نبی ا کو گالیاں دیتی اور برا کہتی تھی تو ایک آدمی نے اس کا گلا گھونٹ دیا ،یہاں تک کہ وہ مر گئی تو رسول ا نے اس کے خون کو ناقابل ِ سزا قرار دے دیا۔ (ابو داؤد ص ۶۰ ، مطبع نور محمد)

حضرت عمررضی اللہ عنہ کے دور خلافت میں ان کو خبر ملی کہ ایک مسجد کا منافق پیشِ امام ہر نماز میں سورة عبس پڑھتا ہے۔ یہ سن کر حضرت عمر رضی اللہ عنہ کو غصہ آیا کہ سورہ عبس تو وہ سورة ہے کہ جس میں رسول ا کو تنبیہ کی گئی تھی ، یہ امام ہر نماز میں اہتمام سے کیوں پڑھتا ہے ۔ (سورة عبس کا شان ِ نزول یہ ہے کہ حضور اکرم احریص تھے کہ مکہ کے سردار بھی ایمان لے آئیں تو ابو جہل کی رکھی گئی شرط پر کہ ہم رئیسانِ مکہ کی الگ محفل رکھو تو ہم تمہاری بات سنیں گے، ان کو دعوت ِ دین دے رہے تھے۔ اتنے میں ابن مکتوم جو نابینا صحابی تھے محفل میں آگئے۔ حضور کو ناگوار گزرا کہ کہیں اس بات پر یہ لوگ اٹھ کر نہ چلے جائیں تو اللہ تعالیٰ نے سورة عبس کی آیات نازل کیں)۔ حضرت عمررضی اللہ عنہ اس منافق پیش امام کے گھر تشریف لے گئے۔اس امام کو گھر سے باہر بلوایا اور پوچھا کہ تم ہر نماز میں سورة عبس کیوں پڑھتے ہو؟ اس امام نے کہا ”بس مجھے پسند ہے“۔ حضرت عمررضی اللہ عنہ نے اسی وقت تلوار نیام سے نکالی اور اس کا سر قلم کردیا۔
(تفسیر روح البیان، ج ۱۰،ص۳۳۱، علامہ اسماعیل حقی )

02 questions
How many people has Prophet Muhammad SAW killed himself just on the basis that they had a disagreement with him or did bad with him?

Which sect out of 70 is is the right one? And are the rest of the sect Waajib ul Qatal?
 

x2zak

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
He is a killer no matter what, he killed a simple human being, he must be hanged and by the way who the hell are you to request to the public to help him released so he will kill any body again , We all have the Iman that Muhammad S A W is the Khatam ul nabeein, and Allah is the only super power dont spread wrong words Agar tum ney nahin parha tau phir parho the last Khutba of our prophet,we know the islam better than you and Islam says if any one killed any human being (no matter what is his religion) he must be punished and Qasas is to kill him dont creat some stupid words to help him he is a killer and punishment is to be hanged Allah o Akbar
 

Dr.Sangar

Citizen
Is Taraf to koi tawaju hi nahi daitha bhai saab,,,main to kehta hoon Rehne do Qadri ko,Time ke saath yahi raaz samne ajayega...!!!
 

Afaq Chaudhry

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

کہاں لکھا ہے یہ قانون کہ گستاخ کی سزا موت ہے؟
یا گستاخ کے ساتھ پریس کانفرنس کرنے کی سزا بھی موت ہے؟

آپ کی سمجھ سے باہر ہیں یہ باتیں؟ کہاں یہ لکھا ہے کہ توہین کرو ؟ گستاخی کرو ؟؟؟ کون سا مذہب یا دین اس بات کی اجازت دیتا ہے ؟ کیا کسی مسلمان کو عیسائیت ، یہودیت . ہندو یا کسی اور مذہب کی توہین کرتے دیکھا ہے یا میڈیا نے اس کو اچھالا ہے ؟؟ یا تو پاکستان میں کوئی مرضی سے اسلام قبول کر لے تو بتی مافیا میدان میں نکل آتا ہے ، آپ کیا کہنا چاہتے ہو ؟؟
 

hammadmn

Councller (250+ posts)
People say me alot much bad & retarded.............I given alot much reason to my point have seen on first Day once the thread was open not alot much ppl were Supporting me.............But I know many people are have same feeling as like me .........but to my bad I open this thread at night time of Pakistan as soon morning in Pakistan Now many people with my supporting comments defending my logical with stronger argument :) Thanks to all how are supporting on this....................................

And special Thanks to those who come against these argument and this allow all of us to give reason and tell you all history and I can say now more strongly thread we need to save Mumtaz Qadri people are saying again & again mai nh manta ....they need to read comments of those person how is giving in favour of this thread.....the good thing who are supporting this case they given very good example of events nearing Muhammad (PBUH) life........
 
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