MQM WALOO TOOBA KARLO
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Muttahaida
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keamari r u jamati????????? ye nam nehad islam pasand tanzeem kai mullaho nai hamarey pakistan ka bera gharak kerdiya tum pahalay apni islah karo pir dosro per kafir honay ka ilzam lagatey raho QADYANI musalman nahi magar pakistani hai or un ko har kisam ki azadi honi chaye jeye altaf hussain atleast altaf hussain talks without any hasitation(((((((dosakh mai kon jaye ga is ko allah per choro in mullaho per nahi))))))jeye altaf bhai
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Murshad Jee
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I think Altaf could be a Qadiyani too that is why he is supporting them openly or both (MQM and Qadiyani) using each other, Altaf want to open a MQM office in Rabwah (ONLY)not in Punjab because in Punjab there is no space for this kind of Anaconda............................
I swear if Dr. Amir liaqat Hussain become the Cheif of MQM instead of this one [altaf] I will be the first user of Siasat.PK who will join MQM.
I swear if Dr. Amir liaqat Hussain become the Cheif of MQM instead of this one [altaf] I will be the first user of Siasat.PK who will join MQM.
I even don't have any word to say for Mr. [altaf] , the only thing I can do is to pray Allah, that may Allah show him and his followers (workers) a right path, and give him taufeeq to understand the true Islam and give him hidayah (amin).
May Allah Guide [altaf] on the Right Path, the path of those upon whom HE have bestowed favors..
NOT of those upon whom wrath is brought down, nor of those gone-astray.
It is narrated in Saheeh al-Bukhaarie by Ibn Abee Mulaikah, who said:
I met thirty companions of the Prophet (saw) and each one of them was afraid of becoming a hypocrite, and none of them said that he was as strong as Jibreel or Meekaa-eel. And Hasan (al-Basrie) said: It is only a believer who fears from hypocrisy, and it is only a hypocrite who feels safe from it (hypocrisy). (Saheeh al-Bukhaarie, Kitaab ul-Eemaan, chapter 36)
May Allah Guide [altaf] on the Right Path, the path of those upon whom HE have bestowed favors..
NOT of those upon whom wrath is brought down, nor of those gone-astray.
It is narrated in Saheeh al-Bukhaarie by Ibn Abee Mulaikah, who said:
I met thirty companions of the Prophet (saw) and each one of them was afraid of becoming a hypocrite, and none of them said that he was as strong as Jibreel or Meekaa-eel. And Hasan (al-Basrie) said: It is only a believer who fears from hypocrisy, and it is only a hypocrite who feels safe from it (hypocrisy). (Saheeh al-Bukhaarie, Kitaab ul-Eemaan, chapter 36)
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abbasiali
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It make me feel me that this time Altaf Bhai have let down his followers, He has proved in his latest interview, that he is the only person who can think and can say anything which he would like to say, Every follower of him has to say YES
I would really like to hear from my dearest friends from MQM, how they will defend him.
Will they also accept Ahmadis as Muslim, as Altaf Bhai have endorsed, that Ahmadi have same Kalma and they believe on Prophet Mohammad (PBU) as last prophet, but he didn't mention, who was Mirza Ghulam Mohammad, and why Ahmadis called their preacher as MESIAH.
I would really like to hear from my dearest friends from MQM, how they will defend him.
Will they also accept Ahmadis as Muslim, as Altaf Bhai have endorsed, that Ahmadi have same Kalma and they believe on Prophet Mohammad (PBU) as last prophet, but he didn't mention, who was Mirza Ghulam Mohammad, and why Ahmadis called their preacher as MESIAH.
Muttahaida
Councller (250+ posts)
abbasiali said:
yar abbasi bhai ap sai mojhey ye umeed nahi thi sathi ajj ki khaber hai jung mai altaf bhai nai kaha hai jo hazoor salla lahu alay wasalam ko akhri nabi nahi manta wo musalman nahi lakin dost qadyani pakistani tou hai kia un ko jenay ka haq nahi aj hum apnay ap ko musalman kehtey hai kia hummay apas mai tazad nahi chaye wo shia,sunni,deoband ya barelwi kia hum log ka maktab-e-fiker different nahi is bat sai kisi ko inkar nahi hona chaye kai hamarey apas mai ikhtilaf nai jabhi hamari masjiday alag hai bohat si bato per hum aik dosrey ko kafir kehna shuro nahi kerdaitey kia hum aik dosrey kai rituals ko biddat nahi kehtey hai ye kerwa sach hai accept it in mullaho nai hamarey islam ki shakal bigari aj hum jin ko musalman kehtey hai wo aj hamarey gallay katrahay hai qazi husain sahab bohat baray mutabir mullah bantey hai jin honay jehad kai namper kitnay massom baccho ko merwadiya lakin apnay baccho ko boston university sai phd kerwaya tou ye kon sai musalman kahailwanay kai laiq hai mai aik musalman ((((((lakum dino kum waliya deen)))))) tumhara deen tumharey sath mera deen mairey sath....abbasi bhai ap ko pata hai jabar sai qomey or mazboot hoti hai mqm per zulm hoa ye ap ko pata aj hum aik or mazboti sai obher ker duniya kai samnai aye hai hai agar aj hum qadyanio ko dabaye gai tou kia ye apni practice kerna chordaigay hamarey hazoor nai islam husn-e-salook sai pehlaya nakay talwar ki nok sai hum keo nahi in ki islah karay nakay in ko kafir keh ker isolate karay (((((haqeqat tou ye hai apnay mazhab kai dalaiel har koi daita hai agar mai or ap aik minority hoker sochay jaha qadyanyo ki hukmarani ho pir bi kia hamari ye mentality hoti ye bat kisi sai dhaki chupi nahi kai in kai sath zulm hota hai or aj tak horaha hai abbasi bhai aj mai or ap canada mai rehtey hai jaha sab ko apnay religion ki practice kernay ki ijazat hai agar ap ko qadyanyo kai freedom sai ikhtilaf hai tou ap ko is canada mai exsist nahi hona chaye keo kai yaha tou qadyaneo kai pas rights hai ap yaha baithay ho wo isi leye yaha aman hai ya ka nizam ap ko soot kerta hai or agar hum qadyanyo ko kafir samjhtey hai tou hum nai dr abdus salam ki khidmat keo li???????
MUTAHIDA BHAEE JEENAY KA HAQ WAGHAIRA WAGHAIRA KI WAZAHAT KAR DAIN TO ACHA HAI JAHAN TAK BAAT UN KAY HAQOOQ KI HAI TO WOH OR PK WALOO KI TARHA YA MAIN SAMAJTA HOON UN SAY BEHTAR JEE RAHAY HAIN IBBADAT KA HAQ BHEE HAI UNKO JAISAY APNAY KHI MAIN HEE RAMBO CENTER SADDAR KAY PEECHAY UN KI IBADAT GAH HAI HAMAY TASHVEESH OR BAATO KI HAI HAMAY ISS SAREE CHEEZ SAY KUCH OR HEE BOO AA RAHE HAI
OR JOO AAP NAY AKHREE LINE MAIN LIKHA HAI KAY AGAR HUM QADYANEEO KO KAFIR SAMAJTAY HAI TO MUJHE AAP PAR REHIM AA RAHA HAI ISS MAIN KOEE RATEE BARABAR BHEE SHAK NAHEE HONA CHAHIYEE OR BHOLAY BHAEE AGAR AAP CANADA KI MISAAL DAytay hoo TO BHAEE WOH TO GHAIR MUSLIM MULK HAIWAHAN KA QANOON OR HAI OR CHALAY AGAR AAP KO MOLVEEO SAY CHIR HAI TO KAM AZ KAM AAEENN E PK KO TO MAAN LEEJEEAY
Muttahaida
Councller (250+ posts)
keamari12 said:
dost keamari yaha tum meri bat bohat ghalat samjh gaye mai aik musalman ho or apnay rasool ko akhri nabi manta hoo or mai ye bhi manta ho jo hazoor ko akhri nabi nahi manta wo musalman nahi hosakta.......mera kehna ka matlab tha hum jab un ko kafir kehtey hai tou dr abdus salam sai khidmat keo li gaye.
a) DOES ANYONE HERE THINK QADYANIS ARE LESSER PAKISTANIS THAN THE REST OF US?
If Yes, then please state in what respect?
b) DOES ANYONE HERE THINK QADYANIS ARE WAJIB-UL-QATL?
Yes/No would suffice!
c) DOES ANYONE HERE THINK QADYANIS SHOULD BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN SECULAR MATTERS (EDUCATION/HUMAN RIGHTS)?
Yes/No and some reasoning please
d) IF A MUSLIM KILLS A QADYANI FOR NO REASON, HAS THAT MUSLIM NOT COMMITTED MURDER?
(I am asking since that has happened in the past)
e) DOES ANYONE HERE THINK A QADYANI HAS A LESSER RIGHT TO LIVE IN PAKISTAN THAN A MUSLIM?
Yes/no would suffice
f) WHAT'S BETTER - A RE-INTEGRATION OF QADYANIS THROUGH POLITE AND HUMANE OUT-REACH, OR EXPULSION INTO A TOTALLY SEPARATE COMMUNITY?
In the end what do we want?? Don't we ALL want Qadyanis to become part of the 'mainstream' islam and abandon their incorrect beliefs.
What's the best way to achieve that? Killing and expulsions? anyone?
If Yes, then please state in what respect?
b) DOES ANYONE HERE THINK QADYANIS ARE WAJIB-UL-QATL?
Yes/No would suffice!
c) DOES ANYONE HERE THINK QADYANIS SHOULD BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN SECULAR MATTERS (EDUCATION/HUMAN RIGHTS)?
Yes/No and some reasoning please
d) IF A MUSLIM KILLS A QADYANI FOR NO REASON, HAS THAT MUSLIM NOT COMMITTED MURDER?
(I am asking since that has happened in the past)
e) DOES ANYONE HERE THINK A QADYANI HAS A LESSER RIGHT TO LIVE IN PAKISTAN THAN A MUSLIM?
Yes/no would suffice
f) WHAT'S BETTER - A RE-INTEGRATION OF QADYANIS THROUGH POLITE AND HUMANE OUT-REACH, OR EXPULSION INTO A TOTALLY SEPARATE COMMUNITY?
In the end what do we want?? Don't we ALL want Qadyanis to become part of the 'mainstream' islam and abandon their incorrect beliefs.
What's the best way to achieve that? Killing and expulsions? anyone?
shaheedchoudry
Minister (2k+ posts)
DOES ANYONE KNOW THE BASIS OF ALTAF'S REFUGEE CLAIM IN UK? MAY BE HE DID IT SHOWING HIMSELF AS QADYANI
Muttahaida
Councller (250+ posts)
shaheedchoudry said:
choudry sab wut kina shaheed r u jo mar kai zinda hojata hai ya mernay jaraha hota hai dont be ridicolus if u not satisfy with something then summerize ur thoughts dont just talk rubbish.....
Zaidi Qasim
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
It seems to me that Altaf( Pir of London Sharif) is up to something new now. I don't know for fact, however, I have a suspecion that either he is changing his religion or all of a sudden he is given a task to prove Qadyanis as muslims as can be by his assylum providers. He is initiating a propaganda war for qadyanis and likes every MQM workers to support him.......Mr. Pakpatriot, Jury and others get your bundles of archives ready to prove Qadyanis as innocent as they can be. You got a hard job in front of you Boys, But since it is your pir who is leading, there is no way you can stop following him yet alone condome him for his interview.
bhitai said:
-Please carefully read the starting article, the scholars of islam and the constitution of Pakistan declare qadiyanis as Non Muslims, nowhere they have used the word kafir.
-As written in the article and also my personal experience, that it is the qadiyanis who consider all the muslims as Non Muslims and consider themselves as true muslims. It is this sort of attitude that causes some resentment amongst muslims in Pakistan and all over the world.
-The constitution of Pakistan also forbid the qadiyanis to call their place of worship Masjid.
-If qadiyanis follow the constitution of Pakistan and stop anti muslim propaganda they have full Pakistani citizen's rights as any other minorities.
-I have not seen or heard any sane scholar of islam advocating killing/expulsion of qadiyanis which is obviously not acceptable to anyone let alone muslims.
-I understand if a muslim intentionally kills a qadiyani for no legitimate reason than he has committed murder and should be punished.
-Muslims should continue to invite qadiyanis to the true Islamic path with wisdom, patience, good manners and humbleness. But I am afraid that Muslims may be involved in more negative activities than positive regarding propagating the true Islamic beliefs.
-The most important point is that all the Muslims should be aware of qadiyani,s belief and must support each other morally and physically so that we don't fall prey to qadiyani propaganda which can be multi prong, hitting the spiritual as well as socio-economical needs of humans.Please warn fellow Muslims that turning away from true path for the sake of some monetary/social benefit is a sure road to Allah wrath.It is not worth it.
I sincerely believe and hope that Mr Altaf Hussain would see that on this matter his very loyal followers who almost all are true believers of islam are not accepting his guidance.
^obviously you don't want to answer the 'hard' questions. Let me repeat them for you:
I am aware of the Qadyani religion , and personally think that ONLY A RETARD muslim will fall for it in this day and age (in the presence of so much free material to counter their propaganda).
Let go of the fear you guys, Qadyanis are no winning any more converts. In fact they are losing their membership quicker than any other group esp after the ascension of their fifth 'caliphs'.
My point is: no matter how I feel personally about qadyanis, I HAVE TO YIELD THEM THE SAME RIGHTS AS I WOULD WANT FOR MYSELF AS A PAKISTANI.
I am aware of the Qadyani religion , and personally think that ONLY A RETARD muslim will fall for it in this day and age (in the presence of so much free material to counter their propaganda).
Let go of the fear you guys, Qadyanis are no winning any more converts. In fact they are losing their membership quicker than any other group esp after the ascension of their fifth 'caliphs'.
My point is: no matter how I feel personally about qadyanis, I HAVE TO YIELD THEM THE SAME RIGHTS AS I WOULD WANT FOR MYSELF AS A PAKISTANI.
I think we should treat Qadyanis the same way we want to be treated by non muslims in non muslim countries.
bhitai
1. Qadyanis are just as patriotic Pakistanis as anyone one else, unless proven otherwise.
2. Wajib ul qatl is that person who leaves Islam and accepts some other religion, if a person is born Qadiyani, I don't think he or she is wajib ul qatl.
3. No... they should be treated the same way as any other Pakistani.
4. If a muslim kills any one, be it qadiyani, thats murder.
5. In true Islamic state they will have to pay more taxes, but they will not have to defend the state in case of war. A Qadiyani child ill not inherit anything from his parents....just to name few differences, In Pakistan, however, they should have equal rights, since Pakistan is not a true Islamic state.
6. The problem is we want easier way out, we want to just prosecute anyone who has different opinion than ours. The right thing in dispute or difference of opinion would be to find out what are the arguments the other side is presenting, then counter those arguments with logic. As far as I am concern I have total and absolute faith in Islam. I have studied many religions and have come to the conclusion that Islam is the true religion, no religion can even come close to Islam. I am not saying this because I am a muslim, but I am saying this because I have studied Islam in depth, that is why nothing bothers me, be it cartoons or any other nonsense. In the end I would like to say don't push anyone away try to to pull them towards you with good behavior and treatment. I know its hard but thats our beloved Prophet's (saw) way.
bhitai
1. Qadyanis are just as patriotic Pakistanis as anyone one else, unless proven otherwise.
2. Wajib ul qatl is that person who leaves Islam and accepts some other religion, if a person is born Qadiyani, I don't think he or she is wajib ul qatl.
3. No... they should be treated the same way as any other Pakistani.
4. If a muslim kills any one, be it qadiyani, thats murder.
5. In true Islamic state they will have to pay more taxes, but they will not have to defend the state in case of war. A Qadiyani child ill not inherit anything from his parents....just to name few differences, In Pakistan, however, they should have equal rights, since Pakistan is not a true Islamic state.
6. The problem is we want easier way out, we want to just prosecute anyone who has different opinion than ours. The right thing in dispute or difference of opinion would be to find out what are the arguments the other side is presenting, then counter those arguments with logic. As far as I am concern I have total and absolute faith in Islam. I have studied many religions and have come to the conclusion that Islam is the true religion, no religion can even come close to Islam. I am not saying this because I am a muslim, but I am saying this because I have studied Islam in depth, that is why nothing bothers me, be it cartoons or any other nonsense. In the end I would like to say don't push anyone away try to to pull them towards you with good behavior and treatment. I know its hard but thats our beloved Prophet's (saw) way.
Answer this Altaf Hussain Qadiani
Let me explain, I should not say explain let me tell these MQM supportors:
1) If Even your Qaid [altaf] would have said that Qadianies are muslim
2) if even he would have said that I am Qadiani
3) If even he would have said that Qadianis are only muslim and holy prophet(pbuh) was not the last prophet.
They would defend him in these words
1) Yaar whats wrong if he said that these Mullas are jahil and they dont know anything first they fix them self them talk about our dear Altaf bhai
2) So what if he is Qadiani, we dont care what his faith is, we just know that he is a great pakistani
3) So what if he said that, he said what he felt he have the freedom of expression, we dont vot him cause he is Muslim ,
what these muslim Mullas has given us nothing, We love Altaf bhai becuse he is a true leader.
So dear brothers, We all are smashing our heads of the wall , these MQM supportors, the dont have any sham or religion they just follow what their leaders say, let them go to ____ with [altaf] [altaf]
Let me explain, I should not say explain let me tell these MQM supportors:
1) If Even your Qaid [altaf] would have said that Qadianies are muslim
2) if even he would have said that I am Qadiani
3) If even he would have said that Qadianis are only muslim and holy prophet(pbuh) was not the last prophet.
They would defend him in these words
1) Yaar whats wrong if he said that these Mullas are jahil and they dont know anything first they fix them self them talk about our dear Altaf bhai
2) So what if he is Qadiani, we dont care what his faith is, we just know that he is a great pakistani
3) So what if he said that, he said what he felt he have the freedom of expression, we dont vot him cause he is Muslim ,
what these muslim Mullas has given us nothing, We love Altaf bhai becuse he is a true leader.
So dear brothers, We all are smashing our heads of the wall , these MQM supportors, the dont have any sham or religion they just follow what their leaders say, let them go to ____ with [altaf] [altaf]
