gazoomartian
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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MQM , ANP, Terrorism......Need your advice. Important
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sorry but i do not agree
most pakis know that mqm is a killer party working for india and america,but they still vote for it and will keep on voting for it till allah kills them in some sort of azaab
mohajir will vote for mohajir and seraiki will vote for seraiki and jatt will vote for jatt and so on and so forth
same is case with anp.anp is a party close to india and against creation of pakistan,but nationalist pakhtoons vote for it blindly even though anp sided with soviet union previously to kill pakhtoons and now is siding with america to kill the remaining pakhtoons
our nation is blind in prejudices and cast worship
till a big slap on face from above does not come they wont learn anything,and alas this big giant slap seems very near that will shake it all
ConcernedPakistani
MPA (400+ posts)
It does seem to be a problem with Pakistani people
Bro my advise to myslef and you is stay away from this closed minded approach. Labeling a whole nation Kafir, ghaddar, anti Pakistan is a fasadi mentality in itself.
May be, just may be, the problem is with those who act as Suumun Bukmun Umyun, act like aqal ke andhey when it comes to any thing other then Punjab?
Have you think about the fact that in Pakistan every single linguistic group is termed as Ghaddar, Anti Pakistan and FOriegn agent some time or other?
Bengali were accused of trying to break Pakistan and labelled as Anti pakistan and Indian Agent
Baluch were accused of Anti Pakistana activities, trying to break Pakistan and labelled as Ghaddar
Pashtoon are accused of trying to break Pakistan, labelled as Ghaddar and Indian / Afghan agent
Sindhi were accused of trying to break Pakistan and labelled as Ghaddar and anti Pakistan
Mohajirs were accused of trying to break Pakistan and labelled as Ghaddar and anti Pakistan
Every body in this country, except offcourse Punjab and Punjabis were accused of working against Pakistan, accused of breaking or trying to break Pakistan, labelled as Ghaddar, anti Pakistan, agents of RAW or MOSAD/Yahudi forces, agent of USA etc. etc. and all those accusitions came from Punjab........
May be it is Punjab who is at fault? Just some food for thought.
ConcernedPakistani
MPA (400+ posts)
Panjab has been accused of this since Pakistan's creation. Its a fashion to label Panjab of every wrong doing in the country. The problem is not with Panjab but with the whole elite class of Pakistan. This elite class uses ordinary people for their own benefit. e.g, Altaf Hussain used anti Panjab slogan while Nawaz Sharif used anti MQM slogan. Both get elected and both get power in their respective areas. Abolishing the provinces is something the present poltical elite dont want as this is what they use for their benefit.
Think about it. you are being used for anti panjab slogan. My advice is dont go for that instead go for anti-ruling elite slogan.
Think about it. you are being used for anti panjab slogan. My advice is dont go for that instead go for anti-ruling elite slogan.
You are correct bro, but unfortunately ruling class belong to Punjab as well. Foe beureaucracy, Just see the list of all federal and provincial secretaries that wer appointed in the whole country, you will see how the power is tilted towards one province, same goes for politicians, Punjab holds more seats in assembly then all three provinces combined, so all three provinces combined can not do any thing while Punjab, if willing, can bring whatever change to provide relief to Pakistani people, they never did it. And do I need to say any thing about our beloved armed forces, which province they belong!!!!!!!!!!!
Bura to lagta hey, magar karwa sach yehi hey merey bhaai ke sari Bueareucratic, political and forces ki taqat Punjab ke paas hey lekin us ne kabhi is mulk ko sahee karney ka naheen socha.
YAHYA87
Senator (1k+ posts)
He yeald at media, He said all political leaders are Ullo ka Pathas, he did badtameezi...What else???Do anyone here think that people even care about those stuff when their distances of hours shorten by minutes or quarters of an hour????No one cares about all this when they saw TV they found other leaders also involved in Rape, credit card theft, Fake degrees and other such issues as well and this is just yelling and Badtameezi stuff to consider...The fact is when people went outside their house away from TV and travel around the city through Signal free corridors and Liyari express way which has almost shorten the distances which took people 2-3 hours at least to cover are now covering it in 1/2 hours at average speed they definitely didnt tired giving that person their blessing and their appreciation even though he is with them or not...That is the thing which I think people living outside Karachi who visit Karachi rarely wont able to understand and this is the reason why even media cant bring up stuff against him because viewers of that channel would perceive it as "Character Assassination" and nothing else and what this could cause media its viewership where they earned their profit from....
Their were thousands of blames put on MQM in 90s when media was controlled by Govt. but despite of those thousands of blames and accusation people voted that party why did they didnt listen to media back then?????People say that most mean stream media is headquartered in Karachi but in fact only AJJ TV is headquartered in Karachi while GEO TV is running from Dubai, ARY also from Dubai, EXPRESS NEWS from Lahore (I think) and DUNYA TV is also from Lahore (I think)...So tell us why they dont show against MQM after that????Their must be some kind of explanation for that???Let me give you example of ARY NEWS this channel which is considered most pro-MQM Channel is owned by Abdur Rehman Yaqub who is Memon and also a leader of WMO (World Memon Organization) if we analyze the situation of 90s in Karachi then the most effected people among them were also Memons as they were the biggest Business community of Karachi and due to political term oil of 90s in Karachi their Businesses were effected the most but despite of that today they mostly support MQM...Why they support MQM despite their Businesses were loss at that time???Because no one else would come to their help other then MQM just recently they saw that when all other parties were trying to make MQM-Blackwater nexusit was MQM workers who were working as volunteers to clean up the mess that left after fire in Boltan market and it was also MQM who started donars campaigns and was also asking Govt. to evaluate the losses due to arson and when Chelum blast happened it was also MQM whose workers were asked to donate their blood for injured due to that Blast and 8 of them lost their lives in blast at Jinnah Hospital among them their was a nazim of Saddar town as well....Even it was MQM who stood up against Taliban on the first place when all other parties accepted Nizam-e-Adle and it was also MQM who was warning about them in Karachi and since now many Taliban commanders have been arrested including Mulla Brader....
After going through all those what else has left for media to criticize???Altaf's speech in India discussed number of times, Accusations of 90s and NRO discussed, 12 may discussed, Musharraf discussed, Article six discussed what else is left for them to discuss from them and asked them to answer????Nothing MQM has answered so many things associated with them that they dont have left things to many questions about them....Now even media understand their role and their stand on issues and this might be the reason why media favor them....
Their were thousands of blames put on MQM in 90s when media was controlled by Govt. but despite of those thousands of blames and accusation people voted that party why did they didnt listen to media back then?????People say that most mean stream media is headquartered in Karachi but in fact only AJJ TV is headquartered in Karachi while GEO TV is running from Dubai, ARY also from Dubai, EXPRESS NEWS from Lahore (I think) and DUNYA TV is also from Lahore (I think)...So tell us why they dont show against MQM after that????Their must be some kind of explanation for that???Let me give you example of ARY NEWS this channel which is considered most pro-MQM Channel is owned by Abdur Rehman Yaqub who is Memon and also a leader of WMO (World Memon Organization) if we analyze the situation of 90s in Karachi then the most effected people among them were also Memons as they were the biggest Business community of Karachi and due to political term oil of 90s in Karachi their Businesses were effected the most but despite of that today they mostly support MQM...Why they support MQM despite their Businesses were loss at that time???Because no one else would come to their help other then MQM just recently they saw that when all other parties were trying to make MQM-Blackwater nexusit was MQM workers who were working as volunteers to clean up the mess that left after fire in Boltan market and it was also MQM who started donars campaigns and was also asking Govt. to evaluate the losses due to arson and when Chelum blast happened it was also MQM whose workers were asked to donate their blood for injured due to that Blast and 8 of them lost their lives in blast at Jinnah Hospital among them their was a nazim of Saddar town as well....Even it was MQM who stood up against Taliban on the first place when all other parties accepted Nizam-e-Adle and it was also MQM who was warning about them in Karachi and since now many Taliban commanders have been arrested including Mulla Brader....
After going through all those what else has left for media to criticize???Altaf's speech in India discussed number of times, Accusations of 90s and NRO discussed, 12 may discussed, Musharraf discussed, Article six discussed what else is left for them to discuss from them and asked them to answer????Nothing MQM has answered so many things associated with them that they dont have left things to many questions about them....Now even media understand their role and their stand on issues and this might be the reason why media favor them....
ConcernedPakistani
MPA (400+ posts)
Friend, The political system is such that 56 % population is in Panjab therefore they have majority seats in Parliament. In senate every province has equal number of representatives. That is how parliamentary system works. Dont get me wrong, i donot support the parliamentary system at all. Now secondly the 56 % Panjab parliamentarians are divided into different political parties and political parties rule not the province e.g, PPP is ruling which has seats from all the provinces.
I mentioned the solution is abolishing provinces and making administrative units.
It is not Army's job to rule however they did come into power. Lets see the track record of Dictators,
Ayub Khan (then NWFP), Yahya Khan(then NWFP), Zia-ul-Haq (Migrated from India), Musharraf (Migrated from India).
I mentioned the solution is abolishing provinces and making administrative units.
It is not Army's job to rule however they did come into power. Lets see the track record of Dictators,
Ayub Khan (then NWFP), Yahya Khan(then NWFP), Zia-ul-Haq (Migrated from India), Musharraf (Migrated from India).
ConcernedPakistani
MPA (400+ posts)
Please do not forget the business community and where do they come from?
So my friend my point is simply that there is a ruling class. An elite ruling class, which includes Pakistanis from all over Pakistan. Ordinary people throughout Pakistan are suffering which is the majority 1.e, more then 80%.
So my friend my point is simply that there is a ruling class. An elite ruling class, which includes Pakistanis from all over Pakistan. Ordinary people throughout Pakistan are suffering which is the majority 1.e, more then 80%.
This post smells of FITNA, to make members come out and fight each other. Interestingly one who wrote this post in Karachi did'nt mention Peoples Party[PPP] and Jiye Sindh[JSQM][which believes in independence of Sind from Pakistan], I live in Karachi and yet unaware of any ghunda tax or bhatta from any party apart from Jiye Sind, the real problem in Karachi is Peoples party with help from KWSB chief Sajjad Abbasi stealing water from residential areas and giving them to Tanker mafia by building illegal hydrants all thru out Karachi. Water problem is growing and yet no one is debating about these important issues which are affecting locals, just one Peoples party member leaving a Fitna for everyone to fight on. To all Karachiites, understand one thing Mustafa Kamal is gaining popularity and they will call him from criminal to terrorist in coming days just to keep MQM away from Punjab and Sind, so JUST LAUGH OFF, WHAT MUSTAFA KAMAL HAS BUILT FROM BRIDGES TO ROADS SPEAKS MORE LOUDER THAN ANY PROPAGANDA, SO DONT TAKE THE BAIT AND INSTEAD INFORM and DISCUSS WITH PEOPLE ABOUT REAL PROBLEM KARACHI'S POPULATION IS SUFFERING FROM IN THE HANDS OF THUGS OF PEOPLES PARTY.
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barhaich
Senator (1k+ posts)
Bro
You are talking about the fundamental problem with Pakistan. All I'm saying is that we need to get our anchors and journalists talk more about the Mutahahida terror.
Did we establish that they are more terrorists then say Army? or PML N or Jamat Islami? How? When? Did I miss some thing
Chaudhry_1960
Minister (2k+ posts)
I think we have tried all Wadera, Jagirdar, maulvi and Industrialist parties like PPP, PMLN, JI and PMLQ etc with zero results infact results in negative. I think it's worth a shot especially after seeing the work done by Mustafa Kamal in Karachi. But I think even if they win some seats from Punjab they will have trouble running any kind of govt because corruption is at it's peak and MQM is known for their strict dicsciplinary actions so would people of punjab be able to handle it ??? big question mark...
barhaich
Senator (1k+ posts)
Bro
I have lived in KHI all my life. I am Urdu-speaking Pakistani and my parents have migrated from India. Many of my relatives have been slaughtered by MQM only on the basis that we do not like Altaf.
People talk about Jamat e Islami and PML N terror all the time which is good. But the Media never underlines MQM terror.
Aijazahmed
Minister (2k+ posts)
And how about Punjabi vote only Punjabi?
That's why MQM got popularity, otherwise before MQM, Muhajirs of Karachi used to vote Asghar Khan of Abbott Abad from Bruns Road area contituency in Karachi.......
Now Muhajirs got the lesson, they are not being fooled by others anymore. They are voting the people who own Karachi and Pakistan.
ConcernedPakistani
MPA (400+ posts)
Panjabi is not a cast or a race. Similarly, Mahajir is not any cast or a race. Baloch and Pakhtoons are races. Then there are many casts and races in Panjab and Sindh; Jats, Cheemas, Arain, Gujjars, Native Sindhi castes, Converted Hindu castes, Rajpoots are some of the castes and races who have been living here for thousands of years, Mughals, Arab castes, Turkish Castes, Persian castes being the ones who came with foreigners over period of centuries.
my point exactly, I lived all my life in Karachi as well, in Aziz Abad to be exact, I saw every thing from up close, and I never saw any thing like that, there are ghunda gardi issues, like with every other party operating in Pakistan.
So it is your personal opinion, my opinion is completely opposite.
I will ask the same question again, How to establish what you are saying is true and what I am saying is wrong? What is the criteria? Which yardstick should we use?
