Mian Nawaz Sharif & Lord Ahmed column by ShakirQureshi

[PakPatriot1]

Pak patriot

No doubt that Nawaz sharif was the product of General Zia,but can you also doubt that fact that Since 1993,after his first govt dissolved by Ghulam Ishaq Khan,he came out from General Zia shadow and make his own name in politics.Since 1993,His party never contested election in an alliance form ,always on its own and now People like Ijaz-ul-haq,Humayun Akhtar ,Sheikh Rasheed and Chaudry brothers are not in his party any more and if he is taking those people back again in the party then i am with you that he doesn't learn form his mistakes.

Yes,you are also right that he didn't punish anybody in his party and only supreme court gave Judgment against Akhtar Rasool and Tariq Aziz,and he should give explanation on this.But at the same time due to his party current struggle for the restoration of judiciary shows that he learned from his past mistakes.

I welcome Shakir sahib on this forum

So, you are telling us there is nothing wrong with NRO, there is nothing wrong with Musharaf if he changes his course of action and forms his party. There is nothing wrong with sitting Cheif Justice, MQM, PMLQ, PPP, Imran Khan and MMA who all supported this Musharaf one way or the other? Are you ready to do that?

If Nawaz Sharif enjoys pardon why not others?

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

I have no idea where you get these arguments which you always present in defense of the leaders you like.There is no doubt in my mind that your favourite dictator is in lots of trouble and it is also true that you are on one hand trying to distance from him and on the other hand you like to defend him as well.

You know that your favourite dictator always liked to make decision of national interest on his own without consulting anyone close to him. The supreme court of Pakistan not only proved him wrong it also proved him a lier on many matters.They cleaned up their house and advised the others to clean up their parts.

Right from the day one, when he took over the democratic elected Government by force, He used his waight to force judges and replaced them with his own favourites.For Nawaz Sharif, he gleefully put everyone in his family in to the plane and sent them without their will( Shehbaz shariff was never asked to be sent abroad) ? You think the whole family needed to be deported against their will to another country ? And then you call it a deal which forced by Nawaz ? Also when he entered Pakistan after the court decision, Musharraf forced him to board the plane and after a topi drama on airport, sent him back to Saudi Arabia. You think that was also fair ? And if you think that was fair, then I have to changed the defination of fairness.

The big beneficiary of NRO was PPP and then MQM. Nawaz Shariff never got the benefit of NRO.He still doesn't like it and call for its abolation. You Pir in London never spoken aganist this discremanitaory Ordinance which allow the fig fishes to swallow the money they took from Pakistan and declared themselves innocents.

I don't understand what is your point here. You seem to always argue without any logic.Your couter arguments are nothing but the deflection of the accusation on your party or on Musharraf. Instead of answer the accusations and clarify your party, you always pointed the fingers on others. Grow up and present arguments which make sense.Don't praise the dictators and allow them to be dignified without any justification.

 

[PakPatriot1]

I have no idea where you get these arguments which you always present in defense of the leaders you like.There is no doubt in my mind that your favourite dictator is in lots of trouble and it is also true that you are on one hand trying to distance from him and on the other hand you like to defend him as well.

You know that your favourite dictator always liked to make decision of national interest on his own without consulting anyone close to him. The supreme court of Pakistan not only proved him wrong it also proved him a lier on many matters.They cleaned up their house and advised the others to clean up their parts.

Right from the day one, when he took over the democratic elected Government by force, He used his waight to force judges and replaced them with his own favourites.For Nawaz Sharif, he gleefully put everyone in his family in to the plane and sent them without their will( Shehbaz shariff was never asked to be sent abroad) ? You think the whole family needed to be deported against their will to another country ? And then you call it a deal which forced by Nawaz ? Also when he entered Pakistan after the court decision, Musharraf forced him to board the plane and after a topi drama on airport, sent him back to Saudi Arabia. You think that was also fair ? And if you think that was fair, then I have to changed the defination of fairness.

The big beneficiary of NRO was PPP and then MQM. Nawaz Shariff never got the benefit of NRO.He still doesn't like it and call for its abolation. You Pir in London never spoken aganist this discremanitaory Ordinance which allow the fig fishes to swallow the money they took from Pakistan and declared themselves innocents.

I don't understand what is your point here. You seem to always argue without any logic.Your couter arguments are nothing but the deflection of the accusation on your party or on Musharraf. Instead of answer the accusations and clarify your party, you always pointed the fingers on others. Grow up and present arguments which make sense.Don't praise the dictators and allow them to be dignified without any justification.

Read the following without any biasness in your mind against me. See what I wrote and try to understand my point. I clearly named Musharaf and MQM. If I like justice then I want it for all of us not for any particular one. This is my logic that you can not understand. Now read What I wrote in my last post:

So, you are telling us there is nothing wrong with NRO, there is nothing wrong with Musharaf if he changes his course of action and forms his party. There is nothing wrong with sitting Cheif Justice, MQM, PMLQ, PPP, Imran Khan and MMA who all supported this Musharaf one way or the other? Are you ready to do that?

If Nawaz Sharif enjoys pardon why not others?

The above quote was based on my two ponts (you have a right to deny these facts because of your inner tassub for a particular group of Pakistanis, I don't mind mere RAIWAND ke laadley):

1- Nawaz Sharif is also a product of another dictator. How come he hates Musharaf and accepts Zia ul Haque as a spiritual father?
2- What he did with his party members and workers when they attacked on Supreme court when he was PM? How come he is a champion of independent judiciary? Did he punish anyone of his fellows?

If you give Sharif pardon on these acts then what's wrong with others? They all committed the same crimes and they all are entilted to get the same treatment.
That's my logic and this one you will never understand. Clear enough?

 

[such bolo]

Bismillah ir Rahman ir Raheem,

Pakpatriot,, I am neither supporter or NS nor MQM....I just want you to keep discussing with zaid qasmi but on the other hand just want you to differentiate between mistakes and crimes. I think you are mixing Crimes with Mistakes. If you are supporter of a party and you want to pardon your party leader or party or any particular person for his mistakes then it is your right, but if someone has done any crime against nation or broken the law of the state then the Judiciary of that particular state should be allowed to take account of the crime.

Now if you start yelling because of your being a party supporter that you/your party/your leader have pardoned a criminal or law breaker then judiciary should also pardon and the whole nation should keep quiet then I think you are crossing your limits and trying to impose your mentality over the whole nation.

If Pervaiz/NS or any other leader or office bearer has done any crime against Nation or broken the law then I think let the Judiciary decide. Your affiliation or sampathy for someone can not be judged as just all the time,

-if you think that selling pakistani youth in the hands of america is not a crime but a mistake then keep assessing issues like this.
-if you think that handing over our sister Dr. Afia to America is not a crime and Musharref should be perdoned because NS has also done mistakes... I think it is your strange logic which I dont think is acceptable for a logical person.

And moreover you have the right to think that NS or any other leader (past or present) or office bearer of the state has done crime against nation but have not been accounted for... then I would advice you/your party/your leader to go to the courts and if you think that courts will never listen to you then trust on the day of judgment when the real Court of Allah (subhana wu taallah) will be establish and everybody will get justice.

May Allah guide us all to talk truth and always support truth.

 

[Mr-X2]

it seems lot of blindly beleavers of different political leaders are gathers here like some other sites as well.
top of that some fellows with dirty tounge are also showing up like
@xpakistani , he behaive like BKL (let him spend some time to get the meaning of BKL), any way YOU people can very easily be provoked
& most of you always destroy the topic to be discussed so far Shakir Qureshi's column is concerned
his 1st message is SOCHNA MANA HEY 2nd is M N Sharif is still better than all others 3rs is Lord Ahmed have done lot for Pakistan & Islam,
i think he is right. After Zardari M N sharif can be a right choice & you people keep in mind if M N sharif or any other leader harm Pakistan we all must punish him YES we can do it coz. we have VOTE , LITTER , CHITTER , DANDAY & SOUTEY we will use them & mar mar ke DUNBA bana sektey hain., but 1st of all we must stop Andha-dhund praising the leader we like & stop barking on the leader we don't like keep 1 standered koi acha hey tu acha hey bura hey tu bura hey .... khawah woh hamara apna hey.

@ Admin please stop abuses & gandi zuban on the site. ..................... warna Mr- X2 !!