FATA guys couldn't keep it together. They invited the Taliban. Sheltered them. Supported them. The Taliban are killing Pakistanis. I think Waziristan's allegiance is fairly obvious by now. They don't give a crap about Pakistan. As for other geographical locations, for example Kashmir, Bangladesh, Delhi?, etc. they are not killing Pakistanis everyday all over Pakistan. But Waziristan is like that cancer that has grown and grown and has now metastasized. It is now spreading all over the country. Cancer has no cure. You cut it out.
Malala: Path of Bullet, Skull replacement, Depth of Wound ! Magical recovery or Classic Makeup ???
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Hell yeah. But since I am here I might as well make the most of it, shouldn't I? ;)
tz00007
Minister (2k+ posts)
sorry my bp was high at that time... kuch log ghussa dila dete hein.. am also PTI supporter... and am from dir.. i also know wat they did.. and i also know wat army did..
the point is... malala was shot by taliban.. and she got famous... there is not much in it... no one is farigh enough to to create conspiracy and waste time... once again sorry for my bad words...
the point is... malala was shot by taliban.. and she got famous... there is not much in it... no one is farigh enough to to create conspiracy and waste time... once again sorry for my bad words...
Sohraab
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
And the Awards goes to, Drama QUEEN
bohut khoob watanDost
mere dil main aap ki izzat mazeed barh gayi hai
Three things:
1- Cutting out a cancer is not a complete option either. You cut the cancer out and it still comes back to kill you (I lost my father with cancer).
2- No one 'invited' the Taliban. TTP was created out of these same tribal folks. TTP are indigenous tribal people who sprung up as a response to Pakistani military aggression.
3- This point follows from the previous point and my previous post about the "Durand line". When the tribal people rejected division of the Pashtun belt between Afghanistan and Pakistan, it follows that any aggression inside Afghanistan will always have a fall out in Pakistan's northern belt and vice versa. In fact, the Pashtuns on the Pakistani side are at least 3x more than in Afghanistan. The Pakistani side is therefore THE ACTUAL hub of all Pashtun activity. The day America decided to attack Afghanistan and oust the Taliban any person who is even remotely aware of the geopolitics of this region could see that this would affect Pakistan's northern belt (and all of Pakistan by extension).
Lastly, just to reiterate the proper sequence of events, please note that when the Americans came after Taliban/AQ in Afghanistan it was the logical drift that the Talibs would move into the tribal areas for cover rather than just hang around in Kabul and Kandhaar and make sitting ducks out of themselves for American bombings. The Afghan Taliban (and AQ affiliates) were naturally being given cover in our northern belt (because since 1996 they - i.e. the FATA tribals - had given allegiance to Mullah Umar). The Talibs would regroup in the tribal areas of Pakistan over the winter season and launch their offensive inside Afghanistan through spring and summer (and this continues till date).
In 2003/2004 America - being the smart asses that they are and knowing the history of the region - ratcheted pressure on the Pakistani army to go into the Tribal area and prevent the movement of Talibs and prevent them from regrouping. Obviously, this would NEVER sit well with the tribal customs who are blood brothers of the Afghan Pashtun. So the resistance began and Musharraf's buckling under American pressure had a terrible fallout that we are still paying the price for.
Pakistan should have steered clear of this American problem. I still say that if the Americans want to control the region on their terms then the Pakistani army should just admit that they are a bunch of jokers and tell the nation that they can't stop either the Taliban nor the Americans. Just tell the damn nation that we don't have the balls to say 'no' to America so please forgive us for allowing the Americans to go into Waziristan themselves. If we can allow drones in FATA then we might as well go the whole nine yards.
The tragedy here is that the Americans are smarter than this. They KNOW the cost of going into FATA. They know from history that it is North/South Waziristan that is the killing field of the Pashtuns. They know the terrain there is such that a regular army is just doomed to fail there. That is why America is fighting the ground war in Waziristan through its Pakistani lackeys and only committing itself in there with drones.
Pakistanis HAVE to be the dumbest nation on Earth. These pro-war 'liberals' (bloody, liberals are supposed to be anti-war by definition!) are just a good example of that.
1- Cutting out a cancer is not a complete option either. You cut the cancer out and it still comes back to kill you (I lost my father with cancer).
2- No one 'invited' the Taliban. TTP was created out of these same tribal folks. TTP are indigenous tribal people who sprung up as a response to Pakistani military aggression.
3- This point follows from the previous point and my previous post about the "Durand line". When the tribal people rejected division of the Pashtun belt between Afghanistan and Pakistan, it follows that any aggression inside Afghanistan will always have a fall out in Pakistan's northern belt and vice versa. In fact, the Pashtuns on the Pakistani side are at least 3x more than in Afghanistan. The Pakistani side is therefore THE ACTUAL hub of all Pashtun activity. The day America decided to attack Afghanistan and oust the Taliban any person who is even remotely aware of the geopolitics of this region could see that this would affect Pakistan's northern belt (and all of Pakistan by extension).
Lastly, just to reiterate the proper sequence of events, please note that when the Americans came after Taliban/AQ in Afghanistan it was the logical drift that the Talibs would move into the tribal areas for cover rather than just hang around in Kabul and Kandhaar and make sitting ducks out of themselves for American bombings. The Afghan Taliban (and AQ affiliates) were naturally being given cover in our northern belt (because since 1996 they - i.e. the FATA tribals - had given allegiance to Mullah Umar). The Talibs would regroup in the tribal areas of Pakistan over the winter season and launch their offensive inside Afghanistan through spring and summer (and this continues till date).
In 2003/2004 America - being the smart asses that they are and knowing the history of the region - ratcheted pressure on the Pakistani army to go into the Tribal area and prevent the movement of Talibs and prevent them from regrouping. Obviously, this would NEVER sit well with the tribal customs who are blood brothers of the Afghan Pashtun. So the resistance began and Musharraf's buckling under American pressure had a terrible fallout that we are still paying the price for.
Pakistan should have steered clear of this American problem. I still say that if the Americans want to control the region on their terms then the Pakistani army should just admit that they are a bunch of jokers and tell the nation that they can't stop either the Taliban nor the Americans. Just tell the damn nation that we don't have the balls to say 'no' to America so please forgive us for allowing the Americans to go into Waziristan themselves. If we can allow drones in FATA then we might as well go the whole nine yards.
The tragedy here is that the Americans are smarter than this. They KNOW the cost of going into FATA. They know from history that it is North/South Waziristan that is the killing field of the Pashtuns. They know the terrain there is such that a regular army is just doomed to fail there. That is why America is fighting the ground war in Waziristan through its Pakistani lackeys and only committing itself in there with drones.
Pakistanis HAVE to be the dumbest nation on Earth. These pro-war 'liberals' (bloody, liberals are supposed to be anti-war by definition!) are just a good example of that.
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Raaz
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
یار وطن دوست بھائی ، ایک سوال ہے ، اگر اجازت ہو
میرا خیال ہے برا نہی مانیں گے
آپ کا کیا خیال ہے کہ ملاله کی سکول وین پر گولی نہی چلی گئی ؟؟ ، یا اسکو چوٹ نہی لگی ؟؟
آپ کا کیا خیال ہے ان دونوں باتوں میں
اب یہ تو کوئی شک نہی ہے کہ یہ جو بھی کچھ ہوا ہے طالبان نے ہی کیا ہے ، کیوں کہ وہ دوبارہ بھی اس کو مارنا چاہتے ہیں
میرا خیال ہے گولی تو ضرور چلی ہے ، ہو سکتا ہے کہ مللہ کو نا لگی ہو لیکن اس کی سہیلی کو ضرور لگی ہے بازو میں
اس کی سہیلی کے بارے میں تو کوئی شک نہی ہے نا کسی کو
جس وین میں گولی چلی ہو اور اس میں اگر میری بیٹی یا بہن بیٹھی ہو تو کیا میں اسکو قاتلانہ حملہ نہی کہوں ہو گا ؟؟
مطلب یہ ہوا کہ قاتلانہ حملہ تو ضرور ہوا ، اتفاق ہے بچت ہو گئی ، باقی ملاله نے ڈرامہ کر لیا ، لیکن کیا یہ ظلم کم ہے کہ سکول کے بچوں پر حملہ کیا جاۓ؟؟؟
بس اتنا ہی کہنا تھا ، امید ہے آپ برا نہی مانیں گے
میرا خیال ہے برا نہی مانیں گے
آپ کا کیا خیال ہے کہ ملاله کی سکول وین پر گولی نہی چلی گئی ؟؟ ، یا اسکو چوٹ نہی لگی ؟؟
آپ کا کیا خیال ہے ان دونوں باتوں میں
اب یہ تو کوئی شک نہی ہے کہ یہ جو بھی کچھ ہوا ہے طالبان نے ہی کیا ہے ، کیوں کہ وہ دوبارہ بھی اس کو مارنا چاہتے ہیں
میرا خیال ہے گولی تو ضرور چلی ہے ، ہو سکتا ہے کہ مللہ کو نا لگی ہو لیکن اس کی سہیلی کو ضرور لگی ہے بازو میں
اس کی سہیلی کے بارے میں تو کوئی شک نہی ہے نا کسی کو
جس وین میں گولی چلی ہو اور اس میں اگر میری بیٹی یا بہن بیٹھی ہو تو کیا میں اسکو قاتلانہ حملہ نہی کہوں ہو گا ؟؟
مطلب یہ ہوا کہ قاتلانہ حملہ تو ضرور ہوا ، اتفاق ہے بچت ہو گئی ، باقی ملاله نے ڈرامہ کر لیا ، لیکن کیا یہ ظلم کم ہے کہ سکول کے بچوں پر حملہ کیا جاۓ؟؟؟
بس اتنا ہی کہنا تھا ، امید ہے آپ برا نہی مانیں گے
IMKKK
Minister (2k+ posts)
WatanDost
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
راز بھائی
مسلہ یہ نہیں کہ ٹی ٹی پی کے امریکی کتوں نے گولی ماری یا نہیں ماری
مسلہ یہ ہے کہ
ملالا کو چارہ بنا کر استعمال کیا گیا
پہلے " فرضی نام " سے ایک ڈایری لکھی گئی جو ملالا نے نہیں لکھی
بلکہ
چند ذہین پروپوگنڈہ " ذہنوں " نے ایک سکرپٹ لکھ کر اسے " بی بی سی " پر چھپوایا
پھر رائے عامہ ھموار کی گئی
اور
بلآخر " چارا " سامنے لا کر کانٹے سے لگا کر دریا میں ڈال دیا گیا
تا کہ
امریکی پالتو " ٹی ٹی پی نامی مگرمچھ " منہ مارے اور " امریکی اور پاکستان دشمن میڈیا " ہا ہا کار
مچا سکیں -
ٹی ٹی پی امریکی پالتو " خنزیر " ہے اور " امریکی مفادات " کے تحت اور ان کی ضرورت کی مطابق کام کرتا ہے
اب امریکا نے حاصل کیا کیا ؟؟؟
امریکا نے ملا ریڈیو اور گروہ کو " پاک فوج " کے سامنے " ٹیسٹ کیس " کے طور پر کھڑا کیا تھا
اور
مقصد تھا کہ پاک فوج یہاں یقیناً ناکام ہو گی اور امریکی شور مچا کر دنیا کو باور کروائیں گے
کہ
طالبان اسلام آباد سے ٢٠٠ کلو میٹر دور رہ گئے اور " پاکستان کے ایٹمی " ہتھیار غیر محفوظ ہو گئے ہیں
اور
عالمی نگرانی میں لیے جائیں
لیکن
پاک فوج نے سوات میں " ناممکن " کو ممکن کر دکھایا اور امریکی منصوبہ " بیمثال فوجی قربانیوں " کے باعث ناکام و نامراد رہا
لیکن
ملالا کا ڈرامہ رچا کر امریکا نے " تمام اچیومنٹ " کو ضایع کرتے ہویے " سوات ایشو " کو ہمیشہ کے لئے " سلگا " دیا
آج جس حساب سی " دجالی " قوتیں ملالا کو پزیرائی دے رہی ہیں
اس کا مقصد اس کے سوا کچھ نہیں کے ملالا کو مستقبل میں پاکستان کی سیاست میں " پلانٹ " کر کے " بخوبی استعمال " کیا جاے
تعلیم کا " ماسک " ہے باقی نشانہ اقتدار کی منازل طے کروانا ہے
مجھے کوئی اعتراض نہ ہوتا اگر
ملالا کو امریکی / برطانوی / یورپی شہریت دے دی جاتی اور اس کو وہاں پر بہترین تعلیم دے کر دنیا میں " علم کے فروغ " کا تاحیات " صفیر بنا دیا جاتا
لیکن
معاملہ " کہیں پے نگاہیں ، کہیں پے نشانہ " کا ہے
آپ بھی دیکھیں ہم بھی دیکھتے ہیں " ملالا ڈرامہ کا ڈراپ سین " کیا ہوتا ہے
حرف آخر
نماز جمعہ سے پہلے " سورہ کہف " کی تلاوت کو معمول بنا لیں
انشاء الله " دجالی " دجل کو سمجھنے میں الله سبحان ہو تعالیٰ آسانی پیدا فرما دیں گے
1. Cutting out Cancer is the ONLY option. People have lived atleast 10 more years if you catch it early. I am deeply sorry about your father. Had I known I would have never used such a harsh example. Please accept my sincerest apologies.
2. If TTP was created out of these same tribal folks, it's all the more reason to treat them as our enemy.
3. Look, I am aware of the issue of the Durrand line, but as a Pakistani I cannot recognize this line as anything but being the boundary of my country. And I expected People who are Pakistani citizens to keep the interest of Pakistan BEFORE the interest of their ethnicity. As Jinnah once stated, You are a Pakistani first, second and last. Obviously these Pushtuns didn't buy that.
You cannot negotiate with these people. All they ever understood was war. They are great tumors in whichever empire or country they are in. Always causing problems for the British, Soviets, Americans and Pakistan.
2. If TTP was created out of these same tribal folks, it's all the more reason to treat them as our enemy.
3. Look, I am aware of the issue of the Durrand line, but as a Pakistani I cannot recognize this line as anything but being the boundary of my country. And I expected People who are Pakistani citizens to keep the interest of Pakistan BEFORE the interest of their ethnicity. As Jinnah once stated, You are a Pakistani first, second and last. Obviously these Pushtuns didn't buy that.
You cannot negotiate with these people. All they ever understood was war. They are great tumors in whichever empire or country they are in. Always causing problems for the British, Soviets, Americans and Pakistan.
Ali raza babar
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yeah when you have no answer ,......... Bull Crap like this stat to come out ....... Isnt it ?
Come with a logical counter answer , Either Put up or Shut up
Sohraab
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
kal raat ko aap hote to aap dekhte , yeh malala ki khatir mujhe maa behen ki gaaliyan de raha tha , 2 moderators us waqt maujood thay , simple and peaceful aur Naeem , sab ne woh gaaliyan dekhi lekin yeh banda ban na hua , main ne waseem ko bhi mail ki lekin yeh banda ban na hua
Sohraab
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
When helicopter arrived malala was in washroom. Hospital staff transferred empty stretcher to heli while malala was running to words heli with his father.
ohhh zakhmi malala apne baap k saath aa rahi hai
Ali raza babar
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Choro paray , Aisay logon say behas na kia kero jo logic ki bajaye abuse say baat karain , Waisay bhi doosron ko extremist kehnay walay yeh khud sab say baray extremist hein
Sohraab
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
haan bilkul theek keh rahe ho , yeh loog khud sab se bare extremist hain , main in logon se behes kabhi nahi karta , main zyada tar apna comment karta hoon , yeh loog khud behes par uttar aate hain , aap zara post no 53 check karain , jo bachi helicopter ki taraf bhaag rahi hai us ka RED dress aur strecher per laiti malala ka dress bhi RED hai
Muhammad Mujtaba
Banned
O bhai jab aqal pee pathar pare hon kisi ke tou pathar bhi khuda lagta hai wohi aap ka haal hai. Batein logic ke kar rahe ho tum kisi parhay likhay samajhdar banday ko yah baat kaho woh hassay ga tumhari iss bachpanay pee. Aur dosri baat yeh jo dosra ghatiya aadmi tumhara dost hai Is ko galiyan iss liye parein kay iss ne galiyaan khanay wali baat ke thee. Jin ka zameer mar chuka ho woh hi aise baqwas sunn sakte hein. Iss ko pehle mein ne samjhaya ke banday ka puttar ban ja likin iss ko baat samajh nahi aye. Ek dost ke kehney par mein ne apne comments delete ker diye warna aap bhi un alfaz se lutfandoz hote.
