Madrassas breeding terrorism

[aligul11]

Taliban have destroyed hundereds of schools.... Isnt it time that madrassas should also be destroyed like they did to the schools???/

 

[PakPatriot1]

How dare you are to say that? If you are really a Muslim, do not target the madarassas. They are teaching our relegion. Taliban ki saza sub ko mut do.

 

[aligul11]

Well, you will agree with me that Taliban are "procuct" of madrassas

 

[GraanG2]

Taliban have destroyed hundereds of schools.... Isnt it time that madrassas should also be destroyed like they did to the schools???/

Look at this zoinist hindu ...Now he wants us to destroy our holy madrasas....Where children learn Quran and Islamic courses...Not every madrasa teach terrorism....Never ever open ur mouth against Madrasas.What ever taliban do ,u will do the same ...then what is the difference between u and them.

 

[GraanG2]

Well, you will agree with me that Taliban are "procuct" of madrassas

Now I am sure u dont know nothing abt Talibans ...cos Taliban never went to madrasas. if they had they would have some knowledge of Islam and they wont be doing all this...Madrasas are the places where we are being taught abt peace and the actual Islam.Dont be deceived by the propaganda of the west against Madrasas.

 

[aligul11]

well please believe me i am from the land of madrassa, and know alot more about what goes on in madrassas than anyone.... done be emotional, see what we are into?

 

[nation.lost.in.past]

Well, you will agree with me that Taliban are "procuct" of madrassas

Now I am sure u dont know nothing abt Talibans ...cos Taliban never went to madrasas. if they had they would have some knowledge of Islam and they wont be doing all this...Madrasas are the places where we are being taught abt peace and the actual Islam.Dont be deceived by the propaganda of the west against Madrasas.

Oh please.... Taliban r not from Madrasas. In madrasas they teach about "REAL ISLAM".. Its not a propaganda, its the truth, there students r started with Quran recitation or hifz, then their FIQAHS, then AHADITHS (which supports that school of thaught), and then in the end QUARAN-ul-Kareem, why, why, why, this whole system is nonsense in 1st sight, but then it makes perfect sense, they start brainwashing students at really early age. And then he will not think or question about his FIRQA ever.....
I dont care if some1 call me qadiyani,hindu,zionest or whatever, truth of the matter is that Shiites r funded by Iranians (I m not shiite so i dont know much about them) and majority of sunni madrasas r being funded by Saudiis which is Wahabi school of thought, In Pakistan wahabiis r also funding Deo Bandiis as the difference between Deo Bandis and Wahibiis is only in praying style, worst thing is that our Sunni brothers dont even know it and because of media propaganda against suffiism in 90s and 80s there are not many real Sunnis like Barelwiis (A TRUE SOFTER IMAGE OF ISLAM) left. Even Peerzadas have turned into Wahabiis without knowing. REAL ISLAM WAS ESTABLISHED THROUGH SUFFIIS NOT WAHABIIS LIKE AL QAEDA OR DEO BANDIIS LIKE TALIBAAN
Not a believer inside the mosque, am I
Nor a pagan disciple of false rites
Not the pure amongst the impure
Neither Moses, nor the Pharoh

Bulleh! to me, I am not known

Not in the holy Vedas, am I
Nor in opium, neither in wine
Not in the drunkards intoxicated craze
Niether awake, nor in a sleeping daze

Bulleh! to me, I am not known

In happiness nor in sorrow, am I
Neither clean, nor a filthy mire
Not from water, nor from earth
Neither fire, nor from air, is my birth

Bulleh! to me, I am not known

Not an Arab, nor Lahori
Neither Hindi, nor Nagauri
Hindu, Turk (Muslim), nor Peshawari
Nor do I live in Nadaun

Bulleh! to me, I am not known

Secrets of religion, I have not known
From Adam and Eve, I am not born
I am not the name I assume
Not in stillness, nor on the move

Bulleh! to me, I am not known

I am the first, I am the last
None other, have I ever known
I am the wisest of them all
Bulleh! do I stand alone?

Bulleh! to me, I am not known

 

[nation.lost.in.past]

I M NOT INFAVOR OF DESTROYING MADRASAAS BUT I CERTAINLY WANT GOVERNMENT TO TAKE CHARGE OF IT FROM WAFAQUL MADARIS, SEE WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM!!! JUST LIKE INDIAN GOVERNMENT HAS DONE IN DEOBAND...
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[PakPatriot1]

I think every school of Pakistan, whatever category or class they belong to, must be turned to real Islamic Madarassas, Where alongwith Islamic ideology all the physical and social sciences must be taught.
The salybus must be the same in all over Pakistan in each and every school. Basic norms of Islam that are common and agreed by every
firqah can be taught at the school level.
At college level an student should have liberty to choose its field of specilization. Whether he/she wants to be an engineer, doctor, IT Pro, Accountant or an Islamic Aalim/Aalima. Now he can choose the teachings of the firqah he/she belongs to or likes to.
But bottom line is, at the school level, each and every Pakistani child must get similar kind of education. No more seperate madarassas and no more seperate schools. Everything must be combined. Every Pakistani child (Including Balawal Zardari and his sisters) must get this basic level of education.
The only exception should be for the children who want to be a Hafiz/Hafiza. Within the same school, they should have their special classes with longer hours. Govt. must fund these Hafiz students, because they are doing extra work and serving not only the relegion but also the whole Umma. But these Hafiz shouldn't be taught any firqah related topics.
BTW, the common Islamic norms are:
1- Tauheed (Allah ko aik manna), No Shirk at all.
2-Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) ko aakhri Nabi manna.Tamam Ambiya per eeman.
3- Jhoot na bolo
4- chori na karo.
5- Amanat Daari
6-Dhoka na dena
7- Do not hurt the feelings of others either by your Zabaan or actions.
8- Gheebat na kerna
9- Jhootey Ilzam or Buhtaan na lagana.
10- Nasha or Zana na kerna
11- Bhatta na lena (Kuch Brothers ko kush ker raha hoon :lol: ) etc.
We can make a list like these and teach our kids in the schools.
Leave complex issues for college and University level education.
How's that? Please comments.

 

[Murshad Jee]

@...........PakPatriot1
some times I think that you are just making us fool by replying or posting everything in the favour of MQM.
I think you are really nice person and.........this kind of person can not support MQM
:o

 

[Reliver_Male]

Salams, I wonder that Pakistani people has no ability and also not capable to pursue the real and fundamental causes of problem in pakistan, every one crying against Madrasas and Taliban but they dont considering what has been doing since long time Politicians, Army and other subordinates of Pakistani High profiles, while in pakistan have difference system of education, every one has their own education system according to their standard then must problem would be created and differents groups take advantages through their mental approaches and believings. actually in pakistan rulers, politicians, hight profiles Army Officers has no experience of lower muslim society and they always keep up talking about such things which only related to high level and hight profiles they never talk and think about their common generation, common lower living standard, last time Army had full supported the Taliban agains Russian and now they are talking against Taliban, while u interfere and look in the other's house then ownder of other's house must interfere in your hous late or sooner. Also they have no dare and ability to look at the characters of Politicians and Army Officer what they have been doing with common people of pakistan and pakistan, they self has been instabling pakistan and its common peopl throuhg harsh negligency, bribes, looting, and consider themselves Field Gods, no respect for common people of pakistan , no justice for common pakistani, so, pakistan and its peple whould face the problems and crisis which are being happened nowadays, but still hey have not learned any lesson through past and playing same games, killing, arresting, investigation is not a solution, solution only one that immediately release rights of everyone in pakistan and bring all guilties in the court of justice they should ask for apologises or should face punishment otherwise present going situation remains till one party destroyed or pakistan.

 

[mcuk2001]

Taliban have destroyed hundereds of schools.... Isnt it time that madrassas should also be destroyed like they did to the schools???/

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yayyyyyyyyyyyyy good idea

 

[abdulhaseeb23]

very good pak patriot app ka comment ki qadar kerta hoon aur agar aesa govt kerna chahe tu mein govt ki favor karon ga aur inshallah sab ko hidayat bhi karon ga ke ais kaam mein govt ka sath dou

 

[abdulhaseeb23]

aligul11 & nation.lost.in.past

app logo ke comment sai app logo ki deoband ke barre mein kia knowledge hai aus ka andaza hota hai,,, shyad app ko pata nahi hai ke jis tarah ke app ne comment kie hain ais harkat se ek bohat bari firqa-e-wariat ki sard jung shroo ho sakti hai ais jo enemies of pakistan phele hi plan ker chuke hian abb ais ko implement kerne ja rahe hain jis mein app logo ka comment ya tu nadan dost yar phir dana dusman ka kirdar ada karee gaa jis ka saboot jang akber mein shaya hone wali khabar hai jo mein ais post mein attached ker raha hoon phele app aise read karo ais ke bad mein app ki deoband ki knowledge ke barre mein izaafa kerta hoon [attachment=0:4t9vpv58]usa.gif[/attachment:4t9vpv58]

abb joo appne deoband ke barre mein kaha aus ka jawab sun loo...

han app ka kehna hai ke islam ka asli shakal barelvi hai aur deoband galat hai tu pheli baat tu soun loo ke quaran mein aya hai ke 73 firqee banen gai jis mein sai ek sahi hoga (Kami beshi allah maaf kare) tu app ko kis ne haq dia hai ke app kisi ko sahi kaho aur kisi ko galat jahan tak baat app ne ki deoband ki tu mein abb app ko saree firqae ke barre mein bata dou takee app ki knowledge mein izzafa hoa aur app apni taraf sai koi baat kehne ke bajai haqiqat ko janoo aur phir kahao..



dou ahem firqaee

Sunni & Shitte/Shia

Shia
Shia's mein bhi kuch firqae hain lekin q ke mein shia nahi hoon ais liya mein ain ke baree mein unn ke naam aur zaida tafsil bayan nahi bata sakta

Sunni

Sunni Mazhab mein firqae ki tafseel

Sunni Mazhab mein 4 Imam guzre
1. Imam Abu Hanifa
2. Imam Malaik
3. Imam Shafi
4. Imam Ahmed bin Hambel

ain charoon imamoon ke manne wale alag firqoon mein bate hoe hain

abb Imam Abu Hanifa ke mane wale dou firqoon mein batte hoe hai aur ain firqon mein bhi firqae hain,,, aur yeh dou firqae hai Deoband aur Barelvi,,, jahan tak deoband ke firqon ka taluk hai deoband mein bhi kahi firqae hai jin mein Tableegi Jamat jin ko lead kerte hain Haji Abdul Wahab Sahab jinho ne bayan dia tha ke asle ke zoor per shariat nafiz nahi ki jasakti,, second hai jamat-e-islami jo siasat mein hai aur siasat mein janee ki wajah sai ain ka tableegi jamat sai ikhtilaaf hai,, third tanzeem-e-islami jin ke head hain Dr. Israr Ahmed jo islami inqilaab lanee ki baat kerte hain ,, forth Sip-e-Sahaba jo Shia ke khilaaf hai,, Fifth Aalimi Majilis-e-Tahafuz e Khatam-e-Nabuwwat Wale hain jo Qadyani aur ais tarah ki tanzeem ke khilaaf kam kerte hain,, and Sixth is Taliban jo jihad ke liye mashoor hain aur ain mein kuch criminals log ghus chuke hai jis mein Threek-e-Taliban pakistan awal no. per hai warna asal taliban jo hai woh tu Mullah Umer Hai jis ne apne khat mein likha tha ke Threek-E-Taliban Pakistan sai humara koi taluk nahi aur PAkistani Fauj se larna haram hai aur musalmanoo ke khilaaf khud kush hamle haram hain,,, aur ais ke ellwah bhi deoband mein bohat sai firqae hain jese kee Threek-e-Nifaz-Shariat-Mohammadi (SAW) hai

tu mere bhai bagiar ain ke baree mein kuch janee app sab ko aik line mein rakh ker galat keh dou yeh sahi nahi hoga aur ais se firqa-e-Wariat ki aag ko hawa mille gii

2. Barelvi

Barelvi mein jo teen ahem firqai hai unn mein sab se bara Dawat-e-Islami hai aus ke bad Ahle-e-Sunnat.. Dawat-e-Islami ko lead kerte hain Moulana Ilyaas Qadri aur woh ais jammat ke Quaid bhi hain,,, Abb Ahl-E-Sunnat ain ko lead kerte hain Mufti Muneeb-ur Rehman jo Ruyat-e-Hilal Comitte pakistan ke Chirman bhi hain aur Dar-ul-Allom Naimiya ke Head bhii ain donu firqoo mein farq yeh hai ke Dawat-e-Isalmi wale Haree(Green) immame phente hain aur jab ke jab ke ahle sunnat wale yeh immame nahi phente aur dosra bara farq yeh hai keh dawat-e-islami wale Azan se phele Darood perte hain aur jamat khari hone sai phele bhi,, jab ke Ahl-e-Sunnat walo mein aesi baat nahi,,, Abb Dawat-e-Islami wale hazrat jo hain woh MAkkah aur Madina ke imam ke peche namaz nahi perte lekin Ahl-e-Sunnat walon mein ais baree mein ikhtilaaf hai....


Saudi Arab mein joo log hain unn mein ziada ter log Imam Abdul Wahab ki talimat sai mutasir hai jab ke Imam Abdul Wahab khud ziada Imam Ahmed Bin Humbal ki talimat sai mutasir thee tu yeh kehna galat nahi hoga ke Imam Wahab aur Imam Ahmed bin Humbel ke manne walo ka nazariya taqreeban aik hai yeh log apne app ko Salfii kehte hain jinko app log Tanqeedan Wahabi kehte hoo,,, darasall logon ne yeh Mohar Imam Wahab ki talimaat sai mutasir hone walon per lagai thi lekin abb ahesta ahesta app jese kaam knowledge wale log ne ais mein barelvi jammat ke ellawah sab ko logon shamil ker dia hai,, lekin yeh aik galat faail hai humme koi haq nahi pohancha ke hum kisi per tanqqed karen q ke sahabaon ke waqt mein bhi logon ke apas mein ikhtillaf thee lekin tab koi aesi harqat nahi kerta tha yeh sab kuch know ki kammi ki wajah sai hota hai...

Sunni mein aik firqaa aur bhi hai jo kisi Imam ki pervi nahi kerta yahan yeh baat bayan ker doon keh ais ka matlab yeh nahi hai ke woh Charon Imam ko nahi mante hai woh sab imam ko mante hain lekin woh ziada ter quran aur hadees ke mutabiq chalte hain aur yeh log apne app ko Ahl-e-Hadith kehte hain,, ais ke illwah uar bhi bahot sai firqae hai jin ka zikar kerte kerte shayd do char forum bhar jaen gai abb app ko shayad andaza nahi hai ke ek firqaa aesa bhi hai jo yeh kheta hai kai Topi phena Biddat hai,,, aesi liye meine yeh app ko bayan kiya q ke bagair kuch janee peshchanne abb kab comment dene sai aik tasadum janam le sakta hai,, aur wese bhi quran mein friqae banne ka kaha gya hai tu hum kon hotte hai kissi ko galat aur sahi kehne walee yeh kaam sirf Allah Ka hai

 

[khalid100]

I think every school of Pakistan, whatever category or class they belong to, must be turned to real Islamic Madarassas, Where alongwith Islamic ideology all the physical and social sciences must be taught.........

Well said brother PakPatriot1. Really nice suggestions.
Just to add one thing, don't worry about any Firqa or Fiqh. There is an easy solution to it. First of all shutdown any madrassa that teaches sectarianism. From any i mean ANY. Allah made us Muslims and thats all. He doesn't want us to be SUNNI, SHIA, DEV BANDI, BARELVI, HANFI, SHAFI, MALKI etc etc etc...
Just teach the Quran and famous Books or Hadith(in Arabic).
But before that make Arabic compulsory and so that the kids can understand what they are reading. Becoming Hafiz or Hafizah is a good thing but becoming a Scholar is even good thing. Look at Ahmad Deedat, Dr. Zakir Naik, Yusuf Estes, Haroon Yahya, Professor Ghamdi....and the list continues....
These people should be the role models rather than any Corrupt religious scholars (i won't name any here, we all know most of them...)

 

[PakPatriot1]

@...........PakPatriot1
some times I think that you are just making us fool by replying or posting everything in the favour of MQM.
I think you are really nice person and.........this kind of person can not support MQM
:o

Thanks Brother,
This is all misunderstandings about MQM and its supporters. Allhamdullillah, they are all muslims and pakistanis. Whay we support MQM, it is a long story and this thread is not suitable for that. There has already been discussed a lot on this issue on this web site.
So always think big, think Islam and think Pakistan and then think small, think MQM, PPP, PMLN, PTI etc.

 

[Reliver_Male]

Firqon par behas karna time zaya karna hey,har firqa ensaf, aman aur emandari par yaqeen rakhta hey, magar firqe ke leader yeh bat to karte nahee bus apni apni dukane chamkane me aur mal binane me masroof hen, agar yeh sare firqe sirf ensaf aur emandaree ke leye khare hojaen jaise Taliban khre hue hen to tamam firqon ke logon ke masael hal hojaenge, magar pakistani nation ne sirf bato kee kushtee larnee hey, doosron ko ghalt aur apne apko sahee sahee sabat karte hue marjana hey. America aur London ke vise ke line me to har firqe ka banda lag jata hey, magar pakistan me ensaf, emandari ke haq me aur rishwat, milawat aur agencies ke zulam ke khilaf ek line me nahee khare hona, wah pakistanio apkee zahanat par rona ata hey, apne apko golie marlene ko jee chahta hey

 

[aligul11]

Pakistan's achievements since independence.... world's biggest silt dam "Tarbela," many world and olympic championships in "Hockey," Cricket world cup, Squash world cups, motorway, nuclear power, world's best production in sports goods, surgical instruments, cotton fabric, and many more/////......
QUESTION:
Can someone tell me how many of these were achieved by Madrassa graduates.......????????????????

 

[mehwish_ali]

It is very necessary that Pak Madariss and Pak Schools, all of them should be 100% under the control of Government, and there should be same Books which should be controlled by Government.

The biggest Problem with Present System of Madaris is this that it is run by Boards which are run on "Sectarian Bases". This should come to an end. This fitna is bigger than of not having enough Islamic Education in normal Schools.

So, there are 2 ways step needed.

1st: Take back all Madaris from the control of all these "Sectarian" Boards.

2nd: Introduce more Islamic Education in all Schools.

After that name it Schools or Madrissas, it doesn't matter.

*******************

By the way AliGul is right too that in Areas of SWAT and FATA, these Madaris are the main reason of producing brain washed suicide Bombers. [These Bombers have not been sent by Allah directly from heavens, but they are the products of these same Madaris].

There may be neutral Madaris in rest of Pakistan who are producing Good Alims, but at least all such Madaris which are doubted for producing extremism, they should be closed and taken back from these extremists. One example is Jamia Hafsa and LaL Mosque where Mullah like Ghazi openly threatening the State that 100s of Suicide bombers will hit if Government takes any action against their illegal terrorist activities.

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

It is very necessary that Pak Madariss and Pak Schools, all of them should be 100% under the control of Government, and there should be same Books which should be controlled by Government.

The biggest Problem with Present System of Madaris is this that it is run by Boards which are run on "Sectarian Bases". This should come to an end. This fitna is bigger than of not having enough Islamic Education in normal Schools.

So, there are 2 ways step needed.

1st: Take back all Madaris from the control of all these "Sectarian" Boards.

2nd: Introduce more Islamic Education in all Schools.

After that name it Schools or Madrissas, it doesn't matter.



By the way AliGul is right too that in Areas of SWAT and FATA, these Madaris are the main reason of producing brain washed suicide Bombers. [These Bombers have not been sent by Allah directly from heavens, but they are the products of these same Madaris].

There may be neutral Madaris in rest of Pakistan who are producing Good Alims, but at least all such Madaris which are doubted for producing extremism, they should be closed and taken back from these extremists. One example is Jamia Hafsa and LaL Mosque where Mullah like Ghazi openly threatening the State that 100s of Suicide bombers will hit if Government takes any action against their illegal terrorist activities.

Ah, how simple it is and how much simplified you made it. If the government was able to even run those public schools which it has in throught out the country., we wouldn't be seeing any of these Madarsas coming to provide the education, shelter and food to the hungry children.... If the rulers had conscious ,our current education policy would have been far superior than any of the neighbouring countries.Now, you are asking them to take the burdon of these madarsas as well. They can't even manage the public schools, look after the students and the buildings of the public schools in Pakistan, yet you were expecting them to run thousands of these madarsas ?

aarzoo kay khaak bashud