Let's unite...not divide for moderators and members

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Today is Friday. As per Abbasiali bhai, today the moderators will decided how they will run the religious threads on this site. All opinion are in and feedback are geathered. A decision can come any time ....

We Pakistani muslims are all ready divided into many catagories... I think in this time of crisis we should nto be labeled as Sunni, Shia, wahabi, deobandi ect.

We all have our own faith and we are all adults responsible for our own deeds. Everyone of us is answerable himself or herself for the act he committed and faith he held so dear to himself.

Let's also remember that we are not Ullama, Mutajahid, Ayatuallah but normal people with limited knowledge. Insulting each others faith is not only disrespecting Allah but also violating Human Rights ( hakook ul abad ) which is a basic right of all of us.

Living most of my life in US and Canada, I have learned that we all might have different views about life, Islam and our faith but we have learned from these Mushreek people to respect other people's faith. Yes there are bad apples everywhere who don't agree.

You are free to go to Church, Mosque, Imambargha, Minder without name calling or insulting others. Similarly within Muslims, you can go you a sunni mosque, Imambargha, ahlahadees Mosque ect. but when we meet and greet each other, we do it with respect.

Today while driving from my office, i thought about it. Something jumped at me. Why make catagories such as:

Sunni thread, Shia thread, Wahabi thread, salfi thread ect. to disrespect each other or to lable with a sec name...we can do the same thing with RESPECT.

Let's have threads under following titles:

Muslim Fidaeen Allah and Quran....(Lover of Allah and Quran)

Muslim Fidaeen Allah and Muhammadpbuh....( Lover of Allah and Muhammad)

Muslim Fidaeen Allah, Muhammadpbuh and Ahlaybaat Muhammad pbuh( Lovers of Allah, Muhammad and his progeny)

This will not disrespect anyone or label anyone with sect and people will express their faith without fear to be labled.

If you like this idea, please write comments and send PM to Abbasiali bhai to work on it so we all can talk about our faith without hurting other peoples feelings.

:jazak:
 
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Salik

Senator (1k+ posts)
I dont like my self to be named with a sect... having topical threads is a good idea with the thread maker being responsible.....
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Monson4u, Please do not portray yourself so innocent after sabotaging the Islamic corner...

Monson4u,

Please do not portray yourself so innocent after sabotaging the Islamic corner...


molson4u, please avoid commenting religious threads as you have been found biased and your heart is filled with hatred for Muslims having believe other than yours. A very little search of posts by molson4u will expose you (note: I probably spend 5 minutes). After reading following comments, made by molson4u on this forum, it is very obvious that molson4u is Shia. His hatred in heart is very obvious in his following comments.

Re: The first Khalifa, Ameer al Mo'meneen Abu Bakr Siddiq
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?52432-The-first-Khalifa-Ameer-al-Mo-meneen-Abu-Bakr-Siddiq

Read the following comments by molson4u, you will note the hatred Shia have toward Sahaba (RA). Also note that he is using (AS=Alaihe Salam) for fourth Khalifa-e-Rashid Ali (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) but is not even using (RA=رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ ) for Khulfa-e-Rashideen, Abu Bakr (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) and Umer (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ). To me it is insult to Sahaba (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) if beside Hazrat Ali (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ), you do not mention (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) after their name. Read his comments below you will understand what he implies. He is telling an unauthentic story (no source is mentioned) just to disgrace (Nauzobillah) Abu Bakr (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) and Umer (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ). Beyond this I do not have courage to explain what he implies….

Here is the fact:
Though many of the Meccans had embraced Islam and called themselves Muslims they still worshipped their idols secretly and performed many of their old rites which Islam had forbidden. The Prophet (S.A.W) received a revelation in the form of Sura Baraat from Allah forbidding these people from doing such unIslamic rites. As the Prophet (S.A.W) himself could not go to Mecca he deputed Abu Bakr to carry the Sura to Mecca and recite it before the pilgrims, and explain to them its significance and its meanings. Abu Bakr taking his friend Umar and some three hundred people with him left for Mecca. The Prophet (S.A.W) also gave him two hundred camels to sacrifice them on his behalf. Hardly Abu Bakr had gone some distance when the Prophet (S.A.W) received another revelation from Allah asking the Prophet (S.A.W) to either proceed himself with the mission or send somebody who was "from him. As the Prophet (S.A.W) could not go himself he asked Ali (A.S.) to rush and take the Sura Baraat from Abu Bakr and fulfil the mission himself. The Prophet (S.A.W) also gave his own camel Ghadzba to Ali (A.S.) so that it may take Ali (A.S.) faster to catch Abu Bakr. The Prophet (S.A.W) also instructed Ali (A.S.) to take Abu Bakr with him, but if he refuses to accompany him then ask him to return.


Re: Umar Ibm Al Khattab: By Mohammad Yacoob !!!

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?52796-Umar-Ibm-Al-Khattab-By-Mohammad-Yacoob-!!!&p=296084#post296084

A memeber posted an article to praise Umar Ibm Al Khattab (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ). In his response the sarcasm ([FONT=&quot]طنز[/FONT]) is clearly visible.

Nice. brother why u didn't copy and pasted the whole book.


Re: Last recorded Dua of Dr. Israr

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?52748-Last-recorded-Dua-of-Dr.-Israr&p=295918#post295918

Here he is using the word marduood ([FONT=&quot]مردود[/FONT]) for Dr. Israr Ahmed.

Atensari--- Its about the marduood not about u and me so no reason to be personal. We all have out opinions...thatz all
Wives of the Prophet SAW are AhlaBait and you ppl are their enemies.
You ppl are murder of Hazrat Ali R
You ppl scripted Karbala
No Due is acceptable without the love of Ahlaybaat. What he said about them... they will be waiting to give him the reward. One thing i know he can't go to Hazay Quaser because Ali is incharge and He can't enter Janaat because Ali son's Hussan and Hussain are the leader of Jana....that only leave.....u got the point.


Re: A renowned scholar (Dr. Israr Ahmed) provoking people to attack Milaad events.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?52519-What-is-shirk-(شرک-کیا-ہے)&p=294991#post294991

Here he is sending Dr. Israr Ahmed to the bottom of hell.

Guys don't worry. He has already reached the destination. Hamul naraya( the bottom of hell) so to be followed by his followers.

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Re: Re: boom blast at hadir saeen darbar [Yesterday 03:31 PM]

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?55717-bomb-blast-at-hadir-saeen-darbar&p=319429#post319429

Look at his mentality he wish to “Nuke” Afghanistan. The only reason I can think of is that there are least Shia Muslims in Afghanistan. He is prepared to punish 99% of the population of Afghanistan just because of some barbarian non-Islamic acts done by Talibans.
He does not have a slight idea how destructive a nuclear weapon may be. It can destroy parts of Pakistan, Iran and China; and after effects will remain for almost 100 years.

These are the same people who support Talibans and premote their NEW ISLAM " made in Saudi Arabia. They follow those who said " let me win the land for muslim with sword and Muhammad is not needed as Quran is enough for us.

I wish Pakistan or US and throw a nuke on Afganistan to send it to stone age as save us from these animals you get forign money to distroy my PAKISTAN.

Please read Surrah Fateha for the Shaheed's of this blast.
 
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molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Brother, i have feeling that the thread will not be closed because it bring traffic and revenue from google so we have to do our best and I think this will be the best compromise.
 

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Brother Pakistani1947... please be respectable and not ignorant. I will not justify anything because its like throwing pearls infront of a swine. Simply this just for you:

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Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.

STOP POSTING THOSE CLIPPING... Those clipings are taken from History book which I didn't write. Secondly, all Ullamah of muslims faith except wahabi have issued a Fatawa about Dr. Israr that he is a wahabi agent who insulted and lied about rawaat about Hazarat ALI with his comments and denied the verses of Quran that says Ahlaybaat are purified.

You are making fool of yourself. I know the reason but this is not a religious thread. ITS AN ADVISE WHICH MANY PEOPLE HAVE APPRICATED EXCEPT YOU AND YOUR FOLLOWERS.

Did I talk about you in the tread, yes I remeber, I did said something about "apples"...read it again.
 
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nasir ahmed

Voter (50+ posts)
you know shia constitute less then 10 % of the true muslim world hence this is a sect while the sunni are over 90% hence the majority are on the true path like the hadith of abdullah ibn umar (RA). The majority will never fall in to error by the grace of Allah
 
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Newt0n

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Pakistan 1947 ---- i dont like to act all secterian, but since u pointed out, i wud like to tell that i m also a shia, n v dont use RZ with 3 Caliphs, for Maula ALI the case is different, and everyone knows tht about shias... so if v r saying anything tht suits us i think u shud not object as everyone has the ryt to talk according to his faith.... i dont see any insult in tht post....

U saw the insulting words Molson used for Israr ahmed, but u didnt noticed the insulting tone used by atensari.....

And not using is not R.A. is not an insult, coz v usually dont do it, i never do it... cant guarantee about everyone, but i hope u didnt happened to know about this just after Molson's post....
 
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Newt0n

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
@Pakistan1947 ---- Bro, y do v always have to talk about what someone said days ago, y cant v stick to the current discussion... the suggestions Molson gave, were they OK or NO... dont u think this is what u, me n everyone shud b talking about.
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Let's have threads under following titles:

Muslim Fidaeen Allah and Quran....(Lover of Allah and Quran)
Muslim Fidaeen Allah and Muhammadpbuh....( Lover of Allah and Muhammad)
Muslim Fidaeen Allah, Muhammadpbuh and Ahlaybaat Muhammad pbuh( Lovers of Allah, Muhammad and his progeny)
:jazak:

molson4u, It is fundamental part of every Muslim's believe to love Allah, His messenger Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), believe that Quraan is word of Allah and respect and love all Sahabah (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) including the family of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).

قُلْ إِن كُنتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللَّهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللَّهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ ۗ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
Yusuf Ali 31: Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
[FONT=&quot]کہہ دو اگر تم الله کی محبت رکھتے ہو تو میری تابعداری کرو تاکہ تم سے الله محبت کرے اور تمہارے گناہ بخشے اور الله بخشنے والا مہربان ہے[/FONT]

Look inside your hearts, and if you love your family and wealth and your life more than the Prophet, you are in a real trouble. The Prophet said:”

Narrated Anas: The Prophet said "None of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father, his children and all mankind." (Sahih Bukhari;Book #2, Hadith #14)

In Islam the Status is based on "Taqwa" not based on relationship with anybody:

'A'isha, the wife of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), reported that the Quraish were concerned about the woman who had committed theft during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), in the expedition of Victory (of Mecca). They said: Who would speak to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) about her? They (again) said: Who can dare do this but Usama b Zaid, the loved one of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)? She was brought to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and Usama b. Zaid spoke about her to him (interceded on her behalf). The colour of the face of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) changed, and he said: Do you intercede in one of the prescribed punishments of Allah? He (Usama) said: 'Messenger of Allah, seek forgiveness for me. When it was dusk. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up and gave an address. He (first) glorified Allah as He deserves, and then said: Now to our topic. This (injustice) destroyed those before you that when any one of (high) rank committed theft among them, they spared him, and when any weak one among them committed theft, they inflicted the prescribed punishment upon him. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, even if Fatima daughter of Muhammad were to commit theft, I would have cut off her hand. He (the Holy Prophet) then commanded about that woman who had committed theft, and her hand was cut off. 'A'isha (further) said: Hers was a good respentance, and she later on married and used to come to me after that, and I conveyed her needs (and problems) to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). [Sahih Muslim, Book# 017, Hadeeth# 4188]

I do not have hate for any of my Muslim Brother regardless of what sect they belong. I understand my Muslim brother are not directly responsible for having wrong Islamic believes. They are just protecting their father's and for-father's religion. They are still better than those Muslims who do not care about their religion. My Muslim brother's participation on this Islamic forum show that they are sincere to their religion. The problem is that they are happy with what they have and do not want to investigate the truth.

No Muslim will openly say I am disobeying the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), but how many of us ask for the proof on issues of beliefs and practices and look to see what is the truth.
Another problem is the setting up of groups and parties with members, then being loyal only to that party, believing in the beliefs and aims of that party - not questioning it. Allah has warned against this:

مِنَ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا ۖ كُلُّ حِزْبٍ بِمَا لَدَيْهِمْ فَرِحُونَ (Surah ar-Room 30:32)​
Yusuf Ali 32:
Those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!
جنہوں نے اپنے دین کو ٹکڑے ٹکڑے کر دیا اور کئی فرقے ہو گئے سب فرقے اسی سے خوش ہیں جو ان کے پا س ہے
 
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hans

Banned
molson4u you Rock MAN!!!!

All Salfi members are after you.... I do hope you don't live in Pakistan. Or better you are not a Doctor.
Presumably Shia Doctors are not loved by SSP.

Me and my Big Mouth [hilar]
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
@Pakistan1947 ---- Bro, y do v always have to talk about what someone said days ago, y cant v stick to the current discussion... the suggestions Molson gave, were they OK or NO... dont u think this is what u, me n everyone shud b talking about.

Newt0n, It is not the issue of "someone said days ago". Just yesterday he posted something unbelievable, which is not expected from a mature person:

Look at his mentality he wish to “Nuke” Afghanistan. The only only reason I can think of is that there are least Shia Muslims in Afghanistan. He is prepared to punish 99% of the population of Afghanistan (including women and children) just because of some barbarian non-Islamic acts done by Talibans.He does not have a slight idea how destructive a nuclear weapon may be. It can destroy parts of Pakistan, Iran and China; and after effects will remain for almost 100 years.

These are the same people who support Talibans and premote their NEW ISLAM " made in Saudi Arabia. They follow those who said " let me win the land for muslim with sword and Muhammad is not needed as Quran is enough for us.

I wish Pakistan or US and throw a nuke on Afganistan to send it to stone age as save us from these animals you get forign money to distroy my PAKISTAN.

Please read Surrah Fateha for the Shaheed's of this blast.
 
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Newt0n

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
@Pakistan1947 ---- ok mere bhai, i do agree on this, this is ws not a sensible argument from his side.... i m against talibans but not against Afghanis, n even if one innocent man is killed and v r ok with tht,i say there is smething really wrong with us...
 

AbdulRehman

Moderator
Staff member
Ok Members enough of the sectarian discussion on this thread.
Please make comments only on the thread suggestions presented by Molson4u so these comments/ suggestion can be implemented for
our Islamic Section.
If any posts with sectarian flavor will be deleted.
 

Classified

Senator (1k+ posts)
اپنی صفوں میں اتحاد برقرار رکھنا اس وقت مسلم امّہ کی اولین ضرورت ہے- جس دور سے ہم سب گزر رہے ہیں اس میں سب کو اپنا اپنا کردار فرد واحد کے طور پر پورا کرنا ہوگا اور الحمدللہ کرنے والے کر بھی رہے ہیں- شیعہ ، بریلوی ، اہل حدیث ، دو بندی ، وہابی سب کو مل کر بیٹھنا ہی پڑے گا اور جو بھی تکفیر سے کام لے دراصل اصل فتنہ گر وہی ہے!

میرا ووٹ برادر مولسون فور یو کے لئے ہے!

 

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Communicator brother. I am sorry, the intention of this thread was to seek if people like the advise so we can be together. Pakistani1947 has hijacked this thread and started his hate mongering properganda on baseless issues. If you like, you can delete his remarks and mine...its your choice but let people read what the thread is about and you urslef support the idea. I have got so many positive responses except from few apples. I do appreciate you concern....
 

sahiL

Senator (1k+ posts)
but Molson4u bro
take a look at ur categories once again plz
love of Allah n Quran
Love of Allah n Prophet PBUH
.........................................n Ahle beyt

no Muslim is a muslim w/o the love of Prophet Mohammad pbuh.....so how can u separate these into 3 catergories whereas i see em in 1 single catergory
.....Love of Allah Quran and Prophet
 

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Brother sohil... there are people who believe Allah and Quran is enough. Muhammad(PBUH) was a servent like we all are servants of Allah and if you offer them Hadith Rasool, they will say how come what hadith says its not in Quran so Qurn s enough for us...This is the Saudi brand of Islam.
 

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Mr. Pakistani1947, the better way to express your feeling was to say, your advice is good but I think we should all stay under on banner called muslim and consider building tolerance for each other. Everyone including me would have admire your comments and commended you for it...you took the extreme wrong turn.
 

Faiza

Moderator
بھائیوں ایک دوسرے کی غلطیاں درگزر کیجئے
ہم سب مسلمان ہیں اگر کسی سے کوئی غلطی ہو گی ہے تو بھی درگزر سے کام لیں

There should be only one category Muslim
 
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