Khari Baat - 13th April 2011 - Imran Khan and Gen Rtd Hameed Gul

[arslan4u]

IN which part of pakistan does that really apply????
dont be naive to say all that crap you just said. Its the first time in history some one is chalenging the role of army in politics. So insha allah we will see these blood suckers wil pay for what they did

If it doesnt apply in Pakistan, tell your leaders to stop masquerading as DEMOCRACY lovers and stop claiming they have public mandate. Any democratic government elected by real public (not by fake voters) has full authority over Army and ISI. That is the fact and that is what PTI will show when it is elected by real voters.
Whoever fails to fulfill their responsibility for any reason whatsoever in a democratic government RESIGNS, even a Minister in Egypt resigned over a train accident for which he was NOT directly responsible. That kind of attitude cant be learned by these career politicians who think they have no responsibility and only come to fill their pockets.

 

[arslan4u]

ok I think you were not following all of my posts. my point is there was a hope in IK but with all his contacts with ISI and already obeying the orders. even if he gets the government he is distracted from the purpose and will be just a puppet PM controlled by army, like the present government.
he welcomed Musharaf government but went against him after musharaf refused to give him 100 seats. it seemed that now IK is against army rule.but with his recent contacts he proved us wrong.
the problem is that our army is very strong, they control every one. for example, R Davis case, Army controlled all the issue, it was a serious security issue so the security agencies ordered the governments to let them handle the issue. R Davis was released as expected by army. but both governments kept quite.yep our army is strong and every one is helpless against them. Every one including Judges, supreme court take actions against all critical misshandlings. and every one belive it was the major issue. but our judges are helpless, they cant just go to streets again. IK responded with a rally but was ordered to keep quite, so he never say any thing on their role in the issue against army or ISI. and never came out with a voice against R Davis again. Now he is planing to sit in pashawer against Drone attacks not R Davis. this is the similar stance as that of your army. so every one gov, oposition and judges are sadly contrlled by army. no way out.

Just tell me which order of ISI he obeyed and where is the proof of it?

 

[arslan4u]

Ethicaly Imran should also stop doing politics cause he has not been able to form a party in 15 years.
Ethicaly Imran should stop lying to the people and tell them he obeys his masters from ISI.
Ethicaly Imran should now show the greed for power. the lies and using peoples emotions for his own good.
Ethicaly a person living in 300 kanal house doess not have a right to even speak of poor.

Ethically, speaking in Islamic terms, every Muslim is allowed to accumulate wealth by legitimate means given that he spends in Allah's way i.e for the benefit of the poor and needy. I think the whole world knows this for a fact that Imran Khan has spent a lot of money, time and effort for the benefit of the poor and needy. If you still have a problem with it, you are speaking in unethical and unIslamic terms.

Ethically you cant tell IK to stop lying if you cant even prove he is lying. You have a prejudice against him but nothing to prove he is lying.

Ethically you should not be supporting Nawaz Sharif, who has been proven to be an American puppet, has lied many times on media about his deal with Musharraf and has corruption cases against him. He even has billions worth of assets whose legitimacy is highly questionable and should be investigated.

Ethically there is no reason to stop doing politics if you cant come in government for X amount of years. Do politics as long as your goal is not achieved. Only those that accept defeat are truly defeated.

Prove me wrong if you can with logic and facts. If you cant prove anything, then ethically you should stop throwing cheap allegations and teaching ethics to Imran Khan.

 

[Night-Hawk]

What credibility does this guy has. Just the lies he come up with. If he has the guts why he still have not denied meeting ISI general??
You are part of arslan team, Good luck to you and your new masters. the generals

مسٹر یو ایس ایم ! میں کافی دیر سے آپکے محترم ممبران پر ذاتی قسم کے حملے دیکھ رہا ہوں آپ نے مخالفت کرنی ہے تو اس لیڈر کی کریں جس نے آپ کی راتوں کی نیند حرام کی ہوئی ہے لیکن آپ کا غصہ "سپل اوور" ہو رہا ہے

عمران کے جرنیلوں اور اسٹیبلشمنٹ سے تعلقات کو ہم میں سے اکثر نا پسند اس لیے کرتے ہیں کہ ہمیں معلوم ہے کہ یہ فوجی اسے دھوکہ دیں گے اور بد نام کر دیں گے

میر کیا سادہ ہیں بیمار ہوے جس کے سبب
اسی عطا ر کے لونڈے سے دوا لیتے ہیں
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فوجیوں کو بھی معلوم ہے کہ نوجوانوں میں یہ شخص پاپولر ہے اور اگر عوام میں اپنے خلاف غم و غصہ کم کروانا ہے تو عارضی طور پر اس کا ساتھ دیا جاۓ



دوسری طرف شہباز شریف کی آرمی چیف سے ملاقاتیں اور نثار کی اشک شویاں بھی سمجھ میں آتی ہیں مجھے اندازہ ہے کہ "گفت و شنید" چل رہی ہے "بھاؤ" طئے ہو رہے ہیں جس کی وجہ سے ہارون الرشید جیسے "دانشوروں" نے شروع سے ہی دونوں کشتیوں میں پاؤں رکھے ہوے ہیں ---

تمھارے بھگوڑے لیڈر میں تو اتنی ہی ہمت تھی کہ معاہدہ کر کے سعودی عرب بھاگ گیا جبکہ اس "بھولے پتر" کو اس دور میں فوج نے دودھ پلایا جب اسے جلسے جلوسوں میں بولنا بھی نہیں آتا تھا ضیاء مرحوم کی تصویریں دکھا کے اس کی قبر پہ مرحوم کے مشن کو جاری رکھنے کی قسمیں کھا کے یہ منافق ڈرامے کرتا رہا اور ہمارے سادہ دل عوام اس پر یقین کرتے رہے

کچھ تھوڑا سا انتظار کرو یہ فوج کے ساتھ تعلقات کے ڈرامے کا ڈراپ سین ہونے والا ہے جیتے گا تمہارا لیڈر کیونکہ اسکے منہ کو خون لگا ہوا ہے اور بے غیرتوں میں وہ اپنا ثانی نہیں رکھتا
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[johny]

Just ask your self you seem to be intell, you will get the answer. and about proof thing it is a Zardari type answer, saying that he was 10 years in jail and was not prooved guilty. The thing I am saying is that IK is infected as well, now.

Just tell me which order of ISI he obeyed and where is the proof of it?

 

[Star Gazer]

All of you who are feeling the an guish and calling names to the Army Generals and others why don't you go out on to the roads and go and stop the NATO supply lines if you are not just as baigharat as you are calling others!
Or maybe you think you are too special, your only job is to call others baigharat and you will do your duty by doing that?
Ley me see how many of you braves have the guts to do that!

 

[samy99]

Nothing will change unless people come on the streets and do the long march against this govt and drone attacks but people are in deep sleep someone have to wake them up until the end ?

 

[Killthecorrupts]

He is the same hypocrate like any other politician. Crapy generals have taken our country to a point of no return. To heck with them and to heck with any one who is on there side.

He has been opposing all this since 2004. There is a difference between him and other politicians. I think you dont know the meaning of Hypocrate.

 

[Just_one]

Do you know what ethics mean? In does not mean "in the interests of PMLN thugs", FYI. LOL!

Ethicaly Imran should also stop doing politics cause he has not been able to form a party in 15 years.
Ethicaly Imran should stop lying to the people and tell them he obeys his masters from ISI.
Ethicaly Imran should now show the greed for power. the lies and using peoples emotions for his own good.
Ethicaly a person living in 300 kanal house doess not have a right to even speak of poor.

 

[Just_one]

What lies has he spoken? You are seriously disturbed in the head. He has NEVER denied meeting ISI chief, but accepted it. The meeting with Pasha took place at the end of last year which was about War on Terror.

What credibility does this guy has. Just the lies he come up with. If he has the guts why he still have not denied meeting ISI general??
You are part of arslan team, Good luck to you and your new masters. the generals

 

[Just_one]

There is proof against Zardari, his banglows in foreign countries, etc.

IK is NOT infected.

Just ask your self you seem to be intell, you will get the answer. and about proof thing it is a Zardari type answer, saying that he was 10 years in jail and was not prooved guilty. The thing I am saying is that IK is infected as well, now.

 

[abbasiali]

General Hameed Gul has permormed much better than Imran Khan, again Imran Khan have not a single word to say, why he didn't appear on that particular day, No solution brought forward by Imran Khan......talk, talks and talks.........I feel betrayed.

 

[johny]

IK have a simple solution now. just to do what his boos orders.

General Hameed Gul has permormed much better than Imran Khan, again Imran Khan have not a single word to say, why he didn't appear on that particular day, No solution brought forward by Imran Khan......talk, talks and talks.........I feel betrayed.

 

[tiger54]

although killing of civilians and innocent children is totally wrong and all those soldiers shld be punished, however in the motorcycle kill video if you watch the whole video on youtube you will see one of the motorcyclist was wearing a suicide vest and so they were rightly killed. those who dont believe me watch this :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvWRUL-A_lY

 

[Bilal_Mushi]

Pakistani awam ko mat jagaoo woh zarori kaam say soo rahi hay.

 

[Bilal_Mushi]

Why didn't our beloved Punjab government properly prosecuted Raymond Davis? Kiya humara chief khadim Tahira Syed kay nugmay sum raha tha?

 

[mjzafar]

@ Johny

ISI and army are answerable to Government they cannot move even an inch forward without the Government permission. Prime Minister and Chief Minister are the Chief Executives of the country and provinces respectively if any thing goes wrong Chief Executives are criticized not chowkidars my dear friend.

I marked other your comments with green, however, this comment seemed like a joke. Yes chowkidar's duty is to do chowkidari but what does our Army and ISI do? They just make money and play dirty politics. If you are really trying to establish that in Pakistan Army cannot move without government instructions, then its a full crap. Army has never listened to government in Pakistan. If your point is that "it is supposed to be what should have happened" then its exactly what Imran Khan said. Army is supposed to be under Fed Govt. and FG should be able to control Army or otherwise resign.

However, whatever you meant, the truth is that Army duba ka choray gee Pakistan ko (khuda na khwasta). Also, just as Luqman and Hamid Gul said that nation has to wake up and take care of these things. Why are they tolerating all this. Similarly, Fed Govt is more responsible. But who bells the Army? Our Army is the biggest EVIL in Pakistan. They are so damn powerful. These idiot politicians can never change that unless they get together against Army. Whenever its about Army, they should be honestly together and fight one war. If PM is threatened by Army, no other politician should be ready to become PM. But there is no unity.

As far as IK is concerned, first of all, its still a rumor that he is being supported by ISI now. I still don't wanna completely disagree with that. However, we need to realize that politics is not just a pancake. Its a difficult game. We need an honest person to come into power and develop Pakistan before taking big pangaas with Army/ISI. If IK takes panga with ISI/Army at this stage, what do we get as a nation? Nothing...! On the other hand, if he gets some support from ISI (not fake elections but just support) then atleast we have chances of getting an honest head of government after more than 50 years. Isn't that better? Those guys who used to support IK and now r turning against him or are naraaz, are just jazbati. Wake up....come to real world. IK is not powerful enough to stand up against Army and at the same time become PM & improve Pakistan. Give him some time. Just help him get to the PM position and then see.

 

[arslan4u]

General Hameed Gul has permormed much better than Imran Khan, again Imran Khan have not a single word to say, why he didn't appear on that particular day, No solution brought forward by Imran Khan......talk, talks and talks.........I feel betrayed.

Why would he give a solution to everything? I havent seen Nawaz Sharif giving any solutions to economic or security problems. Imran Khan gave enough solutions about many issues, now lets stop asking for solutions and give him the power to implement the solutions.
Why are you betrayed so quickly when he hasnt even come on the field to play yet? When its his turn to bat, he will show you how its done.

 

[Pakistan 1st]

General Hameed Gul has permormed much better than Imran Khan, again Imran Khan have not a single word to say, why he didn't appear on that particular day, No solution brought forward by Imran Khan......talk, talks and talks.........I feel betrayed.

I agree with you..Imran Khan just missed the opportunity to sell himself in this program. He sounded like he was unprepared.

Anyway I appreciate Mubashir Lucman on presenting this program

 

[Night-Hawk]

جو لوگ جرنیلوں اور کچھ سیاستدانوں کو بے غیرت کہنا اپنے اوپر حملہ سمجھتے ہیں اور دوسروں کو طفلانہ نصیحت کرتے ہیں کہ جاؤ جا کے نیٹو کی سپلائز بلاک کر دو تو ان "فلسفیوں" سے میری کچھ گزارشات ہیں

١- پہلے تو جرنیلوں تک پیغام پہنچایا جاۓ کہ اگر وہ پاکستان کا دفاع کرنے کے اہل نہیں ہیں تو چپ چاپ وردی اتاریں اور عوام کا خون نچوڑنا بند کریں سواۓ اپنی عوام کے ' لڑ تو وہ ویسے بھی نہیں سکتے تو کیوں نا "نیو کولونیالزم" کو "ڈائریکٹ کولونیالزم" سے بدل دیا جاۓ تا کہ آقاؤں کی تعداد کچھ کم ہو جاۓ بصورت دیگر عوام کو صاف صاف کہ دیا جاۓ کہ ہم سے تو نہیں ہوتا خود جو کرنا ہے کر لو

٢- اگر یہ بھی نہیں ہو سکتا تو عمران خان صاحب کا ساتھ دیا جاۓ اور پشاور والے دھرنے میں شرکت کر کے اپنے "سید زادے معصوم عن الخطا بوٹوں والوں" کے تقدس کو پامال ہونے سے بچایا جاۓ

٣- اگر یہ بھی نہیں ہو سکتا تو غیرتمندی اور بے غیرتی کے اپنے فلسفے کو بیان کیا جاۓ اور توجیہ پیش کی جاۓ کہ کس طرح ایک فورم ممبر تو آسانی سے 'بے غیرت" ہو سکتا ہے لیکن کچھ موقع پرست لالچی سیاستدان اور ملک توڑنے والے جرنیل اتنے آسانی سے بے غیرت نہیں کہلاۓ جا سکتے

٤- اگر یہ بھی نہیں ہو سکتا تو پھر اس فورم کو ایک ڈسکشن فورم ہی سمجھا جاۓ کسی پیشے کو مقدس گاۓ نا سمجھا جاۓ اظہار راۓ کی آزادی کو تسلیم کیا جاۓ نیز سیاسی فگرز اور جرنیلوں پر ہونے والی تنقید کے جواب میں سنجیدہ دلیل دی جاۓ علاوہ ازیں حریف ممبر کی ذات کو نشانہ بنانے سے گریز کیا جاۓ جس کا اشارہ میں نے اوپر کی پوسٹ میں کیا ہے
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