Jirga 30th August 2010 - Hameed Gul
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I shall submitt for kind information of Haider abbas sahib that there is no differance or saperation between INTESHAAR AND INQALAB. when there is no Inteshar there shall be no Inqalab.InQALAB never comes when there is peace in the public. INTESHAAR always is basis for INQALAB.on one side they r supporting the present govt stability. they must get out of Ruling class or ruling party and then lead for INQALAB if they can or they must not talk for Inqalab at the moment and wait for the right time. they must keep educating people.now they r talking of article 190 of constitution .well supreme court if implements through article 190 they must coordinate with politicle honest leaders and army leadership as well to fulfill the aspirations of people
Wadaich
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Aap gutter kay pani say ghar dhulwana chahtay ho?
As I know Pakistan Army is the only army in the world who is running a huge business, Banks, Nlc, and so many, Do you expect that Army to come forward to nab or cap the corrupt system of Lad lords, its mean at the same time they hurt their own interests too, that the never want, they always throw away those civil Govt when they feel their interests are in danger, Like Butto regime.
MQM should stop target killing in Karachi first, and then come forward to lead the Nation towards any change against this corrupt system and become true hero of the Nation.
Do not kill two birds with single stone.
Aik ticket thow maize??????
MQM should stop target killing in Karachi first, and then come forward to lead the Nation towards any change against this corrupt system and become true hero of the Nation.
Do not kill two birds with single stone.
Aik ticket thow maize??????
mr Rajko what ever Pak army is doing is allowed under Pakistan law. if they r running schools,those r for every Pakistani child who wish to get better education in less fee.if Pakistan army is running bank, the profit goes to welfare of troops. for ur kind information NLC was developed under gen Zia ul haq when civil transport was not carrying goods or relief quickly to areas where it was needed and Pakistan had much less transport for this purpose. NLC is not only serving the nation but also to Pakistan army to carry its such shipments which r highly sensitive and cannot be given responsibility to other Transporters.and so on. fouji foundation is running its mills and factories and is biggest producers of ferttilizers in Pakistan and thus serving the nation. most of the orifits in this regards is being used transparently for the welfare of troops and retired people and thus in a way they r sharing the burdon of govt to some extent. I shall apriciate if u keep your mouth shut and do not critic Pakistan Army. i was a part of this proud army and it is hard to absorb such dirty critics.
Wadaich
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Well Said the reality should be clear.
Young_Blood
Minister (2k+ posts)
Rana Bhai, aap mujhey kuch sawalo k jawab de dijiay please. main ne aap k comments read kiay hein, wo perhney k baad socha aap se kuch sawal he pooch loo, as u said k aap ne bhe pak army main serve kia hai.
Q 1- aik captain,colonel, Birg, aur Gen,,, ke salaries kitni hoti hein? jab aik gen retire hota hai to uss k paas millions of rupees kaha se aa jatay hein?
Q 2- Pakistan main jitni bhe expensive housing schemes hein wo sab ke sab Army k under control hein, D H A ,, Askari Homes, etc.. Karoro k plots, banglows. Flats, army walo ko korio k bhaao day diay jatay hein Kiun?
No doubt k hamari army ne her mushkil waqt main hamarey mulk aur qoum ka bherpoor saath dia, magar koi ihsan nahi kia unho ne ham per, ye un ke job hai, aur koi sahi tarekay se apnay faraiez anjaam day to ussey ihsan nahi kehtey my dear. aakhir ham he to tax dete hein,,
Q3- Pakistan Army k Officers retire honay k baad bhe Civil idaro main ya govt idaro main officers kiun lagtay hein? will u tell me please.
Q4- Pakistan k budget ka 70% army lay jaati hai,, aakhir wo sab pesa kaha jata hai? Earthquake aaya, hamarey paas rescue kerne k liay Helicopters nahi thay, ab flood aaya phir bhe hamarey paas helicopters nahi hein,, earth quake aanay k baad kiun nahi khareeday gay new helicopters?
Actually army main bhe bohat corruption hai magar army ke corruption public nahi hoti, aur logo ko pata nahi chalta.
Mere aik cusin jo k army main BRGD thay, un ke walidaa wafaat paa gai, mere aik uncle ne kaha, main jab un k 40 way , Chalisway per gaya to, mujhey aisa mehsoos hoowa k jese main kisi royal family k diay hooway dinner per aaya hoo,, kon c aisi dish, kon sa aisa fruit aur kon c aisi sweet dish nahi thi jo waha majood na ho,, Army k andar ke batein bahir nahi aati, sara masla yehi hai,,
iss himam main sab he nangay hein my dear. koi doodh ka nahi dhula hoowa,,,
bus army k jo chotay rank k soldier hein , i salute them,, and i love them alot
my dear young blood i m here to reply ur question although u should have sent me personel message.u asked on forum so i m replying it for ur and others information.ans 1.now a days salary is enough for life expenses and for saving as well since it is our govt who has almost doubled their salary. a soldier is now starting from 8000 plus with food,uniform,medical free and some other facilities as well. mind u they are 24 hour on service (THRICE THAN CIVIL) and when they retire who told u that they have millions of rupees.during their service they opt for residanciall plot at DHAs.secondly if their service record is good they r allotted some portion of land which is never a fine piece and one has to spend almost major part of their saving to make it QABIL E KAASHT.for Plot they pay, for land they also pay at govt rates. it is never free.mind u they develop the land .even land alloted to Gen.Musharaf was undeveloped. ans.2 army is not a QABZA group. they purchase land, develop it and and allot it to army officers and now to all ranks. They plan well and their schemes become value able automatically because people trust them and prefer to live with them. YE JO SCHEME BANATE HAIN WO QEEMTEE HO JAATEE HAY NA KE YE QEEMTEE PE QABZA KERTEY HAIN. there r many civil developed schemes just adjasent to army schemes. they r cheaper not because their land is GHATIYA BUT IT IS THE TRUST OF PEOPLE WHICH IS MAKING IT qeemtee. ANS.3 since army personels r disciplened in life and they r physically fit and do their work with more comparative honesty people like them to employ for security and admin posts.if u see any ad for driver, cook or gaurd ets the demand of u civilian is preferably army retired people. secondly a major retires at the age of about 45 after serving for over25 years.u think he is retired like a civilian who retires at about 65.so army man is still fit to serve. mind u army people r no out siders they are Pakistani.if they plan good they deserve good life. Ans.4 ask ur govt about it why they allot so much budget for defence. it is not for army it is for the defence of country. millitary hard ware which we get from out is very expensive. just for ur information if we wish to purcaise a stealth bomber, the price of one air craft is above 2.2 billion US Dollars.more than our budget.In Pakistan army has the most transparent check and balance system than any other sector in civil.u r just a child my son and i can see ur emotions and frustration.i m living example. i m retired officer of Army. i retired in 1984. i do not have my own house as yet except a plot at DHA-7 which was allotted to me in 2005 for 9 lacks and to civil its price was about 13 lacks or so(on instalments) .after 5 years its market price is about 3.7 millions.if u dont believe it u may consult the market.nothing else. if the family of a late Brig spend on the CHLISWAN they r doing it FOR ALLAH's sake why r u bothered. u would be knowing well to his family being their relative.they must be having other source of income. here i can smell the jallousy at u. beta if u have any more doubts u may ask. may Allah bless u with more wisdom and that will surely come with the age. hope i made u clear.
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Pakistan_1
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Young_Blood
Minister (2k+ posts)
Kia baat hai aap ke Rana sahib, Aap ko to siasatdaan hona chahiay tha, sawal kia poochay aap se, jawab kya de rahay hein. My dear army ke salaries iss saal double hoi hein, main aik saal pehle ke baat ker raha hoo,, aur main ne kisi army k sapahi ke baat nahi.
aap ne kaha main age main kam hoo, ok maan lia, magar at least main itna shaour aur aqal rekhta hoo k mujh se sawal kya kia gaya hai aur main ne uss ka jawab kya dena hai, sawal main ne aap se kya poochay, aur jawab aap kya de rahay hein, main ne HELICOPTER ka poocha, AIR CRAFT ka nahi,,
aap gussa ker gay ho janab, iss liay aap ne mujhey beta bhe kaha aur meri age ke bhe baat ke aur jelousy ka bhe kaha, lolz,,, aap kitney mature hein mujhey andaza ho gaya. again correction kerta chalo,, main ne ko maali, bawarchi, ke baat nahi ke, main ne officers rank ke baat ke thi,
aap ke shaied baal to safaid ho gay hein magar aap ke aqal aur zihanat ka jawab nahi, dear jaha tak plots ke baat hai, to ARMY plots, Banglows, shikar pur main kiun nahi deti? Aik waqt tha jab ham army k jawan ko dekh ker khush howa kertey thay, aur aik aaj ka waqt hai k army per be tahasha ilzamaat hein, kiun? kaaash k aap khud bhe soch lete.. Musharaf ne Dubai main millions of dirham ka Villa khareeda, kaha se aaey uss k paas itney pese? aik 40 se 50 hazar earn kerne wala aaj k dour main millions of dirham aur millions of pounds k gher nahi khaeerdta dear.
such chupaey nahi chupta.. Kalay ko aap safaid ker k nahi dikha saktay, kala hamesha kala he rehta hai, jo such hai ussey maniay, werna ulti seedhi daleelein dene ke zaroorat nahi. ye PTV ka dour nahi, aur ye wo young youth nahi k jo galat aur sahi ke pihchan na ker sakay.
Yehi Army ke govt ke waja se Bangladesh ham se juda hoowa, yes or no? yehi army ke waja se aaj ham aaj bangladesh se bhe pechay ho gay hein, issi army ke waja se hamarey mulk main 4 bar martial law laga, yehi army ke waja se bhuto ko phansi hoi, yehi army ke waja se nawaz shareef ko jail main dalnay k baad mulk badar ker dia gaya, yehi army ke waja se Laal Masjid main masoom aur be gunah bachoo ko zinda jala dia gaya, yehi army ke waja se aaj tak balochistan main qatal o garat ho rahi hai, issi army ne bugti ko maar dia. issi army ne Kargil main shikist khaie, issi army ne siachin india ko day dia, issi army ne hamein khud kash hamlo ka tohfa dia,
Again i will say army agar flood relief main kaam ker rahi hai, to ye uss ka qoumi farz hai, agar wo nahi karey ge to 70% budget kiun leti hai? aur poori duniya main army he aa k serve kerti hai, again i will say, koi ihsan nahi kerti ham pakis per.
Main MQM k sakht khilaaf hoon, magar Altaf Hussain ke aik statement per bohat khush hoowa, k jab apna matlab hota hai to army martal law laga deti hai, aur jab gareeb awaam khud kashiya ker rahi ho, bhook se mur rahi hi, corruption arroj per ho. to uss waqt army koi role adaa kiun nahi kerti?
ye wahi army hai na jis ne NRO kerwaya?
main mana k age main aap se kam hoo, magar itna shaour rekhta hoo k kon sahi hai kon galat,, aur mera bhai ya mere walid bhe agar koi galat kaam karein gay na to main un k khilaaf bhe awaaz uthaou ga, kiu k main mufaad parast nahi, main laalchi nahi, mera zameer zinda hai, main ne apni eyes bund nahi ke hoi.main chor nahi, main ne iss mulk ya iss qoum ka haq nahi maara hoowa. main ne america se billions of $ lay ker Dr AAFIA ko aur iss qoum k afraad ko america k hawalay nahi keeya hoowa.
ab aap ko andaza hoowa k beta jiss kaha tha wo aik hazar sawal aise pooch sakta hai, jis ka jawab aap nahi de saktay, kiun k in sawalaat ka jawab koi bhe nahi saka, kiun k ye such aur haqeeqat aur history hai.
Next time apnay aap ko ziada samjhdar aur doosrey ko haqeer mat samjhiay ga. aur army walay kitney well qualified hotay hein ye ham sab jantay hein. inter paas COAS bun jata hai iss country ka.
Wadaich
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Martila Law nay mulk kay do hisay keye,jahad-e-amrica keya afghanistan may,9/11 say phaley Nawaz hokomat khatam ki our amrican jahad ka hisa phir baney,ab phir benazir ko marwaker zardari ko hamara sadar baney me amrica ki madad ki our us ko ****a karney kay bad dobara hero baney ki koshish karney kay liye apney bando ko laga diya hey keh akhri hal foj hey...1992 army operation jo waderon or jagirdaron k liey tha,us ka anjam Heder Rizwi sahab se malom karlo?????????
