Jamat e islami Declared Bait Ullah Mehsud Shaheed (Martyr)
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Tanweer.Amjad
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MQM will call Altaf Hussain martyr (Shaheed) if killed in any police encounter. How awfull, Killer of so many Mulims Pakistanis would be called a Shaheed.
Alhamdollillah, Jihad is the life for Muslims, it is just another fact that you do not know it, surely not your fault, your Quaid is sitting in the laps of christians and qadiyanis, he would not teach you anything about islam, but no problems, we are ready to educate you. Chose your own medium of instructions.Jury said:jazbaedil said:
Your way of doing JAHAD.
August 29, 2009
Organized Crime in Pakistan Feeds Taliban
By SABRINA TAVERNISE
KARACHI, Pakistan Taliban fighters have long used this city of 17 million as a place to regroup, smuggle weapons and even work seasonal jobs. But recently they have discovered another way to make fast money: organized crime.
The police here say the Taliban, working with criminal groups, are using Mafia-style networks to kidnap, rob banks and extort, generating millions of dollars for the militant insurgency in northwestern Pakistan.
There is overwhelming evidence that its an organized policy, said Dost Ali Baloch, assistant inspector general of the Karachi police.
Jihadi-linked crime has surfaced in other Pakistani cities, like Lahore. But Karachi, the central nervous system of Pakistans economy, and home to its richest businessmen, is the hub. It has been free of the bombings that have tormented Pakistans other major cities this year, and some officials believe that is the result of a calculated strategy.
This is where they come to hide, where they raise their finances, said a counterterrorism official in Karachi. They dont want to disturb that.
The danger is not of a Taliban takeover Karachi is run by a powerful secular party that despises the Taliban but of an urban sanctuary for financing and equipping the insurgency from this southern port.
These criminal syndicates helped drive kidnappings in Pakistan last year to their highest numbers in a decade, according to the police, and they have also generated a spike in bank robberies. Eighty percent of bank heists are now believed to be related to the insurgency and other militant groups, authorities say.
The Taliban are a group of thieves, said a currency exchange owner here who was robbed of nearly $2 million last year and who did not want to be identified for fear of further trouble. If it was God, theyd steal from him, too.
Pakistani counterterrorism officials say they believe that kidnapping for ransom may have been the single largest revenue source for the Talibans top commander in the country, Baitullah Mehsud, before he was killed this month in an American drone strike.
Last year, Mr. Mehsuds network may have held as many as 70 hostages, said a Pakistani counterterrorism official who did not speak for attribution for reasons of protocol. Control over these criminal networks and the money they generate may have been at the center of what seemed to be the struggle over who would succeed Mr. Mehsud.
The world thinks this is about religion, but thats a mistake, said Sharfuddin Memon, director in Karachi of the Citizens Police Liaison Committee, a crime watch group run by members of the business community. Its about money and power. Faith has nothing to do with it.
The kidnappers who took Shawkat Afridi, a prominent businessman, last year, did not make a single mistake, the family said. A caller breathed his demands into the phone in a bewildering array of accents. First he sounded like an Afghan. Then like a Mehsud tribesman. After more than 50 phone calls over five months, Mr. Afridis family finally agreed to pay $2.5 million for his release.
We understood he was not an ordinary kidnapper, said Gul Afridi, the victims brother. There was no way out.
Typical of such cases, the group, which the police said was Taliban-related, had chosen its target carefully: the Afridis are rich businessmen who supply fuel to NATO forces in Afghanistan. Other recent cases include a prominent film distributor, the owner of a textile mill and a personnel manager at a pipe manufacturer.
Though just 10 percent of kidnappings are connected to the Taliban, according to the police, the ransoms they generate generally $60,000 to $250,000 each collect more money than all the other cases combined.
Theyre real professionals, said Ahmed Chinoy, a textile manufacturer who is the deputy head of the citizens committee, which was established in 1989 by the business community to protect against encroaching crime. They know for sure that whoever they take can afford to pay.
The same goes for bank robberies. Raja Umer Khattab, a senior police officer in Karachis Special Investigations Unit, noticed something strange early last year. The robbers had beards and bigger than usual guns, and, unlike ordinary thieves, they tended to kill the security guards. They were taking the banks surveillance systems, along with the cash.
We started seeing a different kind of crime more professional, more aggressive, he said in an interview. We realized these criminals were linked to jihadis.
Mr. Khattab dug further. These criminals switched cellphone SIM cards like bus tickets, and had a code word for every neighborhood. Last August he made a series of arrests and a bomb exploded under his car. Shrapnel scars still mark his neck.
A recent influx of people in Karachi displaced by the militarys offensive in the northwest has expanded opportunities for the Taliban. Many are Pashtuns, the ethnic group most closely associated with the Taliban. Fanned by local politicians, ethnic tensions erupted in clashes that killed dozens this spring in Karachi. The authorities say Taliban-related crime has dropped greatly since then, with the arrests of the crime leaders breaking networks, among them, the gang that kidnapped Mr. Afridi.
But many of the networks are still in place, crisscrossing the city like a web, with strong links to Taliban sanctuaries in the northwest.
In the case of the heist at the money exchange last year, two security guards, who were from the Mehsud tribe, carried out the robbery. The exchanges owners believed the men were working directly for Mr. Mehsud. They were uneducated and had been told that the exchange was taking money from the C.I.A. and that its dollars were the proof.
They were brainwashed, said one of the owners, who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution. They were told, if you do this, its good for Islam.
In many ways, it is the Pashtuns who suffer most. Militants extort money from the biggest oil traders to the smallest house servants, and Pashtuns can do little to resist, because their families remain in areas that the militants control.
Shahid, 22, a shy servant in Karachi, squirms when he describes how half of his $100 monthly salary goes to the local militant commander in his village, near the Afghan border. He did not want his full name used for fear of Taliban retribution. The commander was once a bus conductor, but has grown rich in his position, hoarding more than 200 sport utility vehicles, Shahid said.
Refusing has consequences: Four who recently fought the extortion turned up dead, Shahid said. Their bodies were not allowed a burial in the village, a sign of shame.
If we give, were in trouble, and if we dont give, were in trouble, said Abzal Khan Mehsud, a member of the Oil Tanker Owners Association, who said he had not been able to go to his village for years out of fear of the militants who control it. Were being ground down in between.
In a gritty industrial area of north Karachi, businessmen have taken matters into their own hands. Idrees Gigi, a textile manufacturer, is building a tall cement wall along the edge of his property. On the other side is Sorabgoth, a bone-poor Pashtun neighborhood.
The hope is that the wall will help shield his factory from crime, but security precautions do nothing to address the real problem, which Mr. Gigi believes is poverty. Parts of Sorabgoth lack roads and running water.
On a recent Saturday, young men scrambled past the wall over a river of red wastewater across a footbridge made of drainage chutes. Mr. Gigi employs thousands of residents, and has built four schools, but it is not enough.
The worse the economy is, the more jihadis it will create, he said. This is a money war.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/29/world/asia/29karachi.html?_r=2&hp
Ismail Khan contributed reporting from Peshawar, Pakistan, and Dania Khan from Karachi.
Organized Crime in Pakistan Feeds Taliban
By SABRINA TAVERNISE
KARACHI, Pakistan Taliban fighters have long used this city of 17 million as a place to regroup, smuggle weapons and even work seasonal jobs. But recently they have discovered another way to make fast money: organized crime.
The police here say the Taliban, working with criminal groups, are using Mafia-style networks to kidnap, rob banks and extort, generating millions of dollars for the militant insurgency in northwestern Pakistan.
There is overwhelming evidence that its an organized policy, said Dost Ali Baloch, assistant inspector general of the Karachi police.
Jihadi-linked crime has surfaced in other Pakistani cities, like Lahore. But Karachi, the central nervous system of Pakistans economy, and home to its richest businessmen, is the hub. It has been free of the bombings that have tormented Pakistans other major cities this year, and some officials believe that is the result of a calculated strategy.
This is where they come to hide, where they raise their finances, said a counterterrorism official in Karachi. They dont want to disturb that.
The danger is not of a Taliban takeover Karachi is run by a powerful secular party that despises the Taliban but of an urban sanctuary for financing and equipping the insurgency from this southern port.
These criminal syndicates helped drive kidnappings in Pakistan last year to their highest numbers in a decade, according to the police, and they have also generated a spike in bank robberies. Eighty percent of bank heists are now believed to be related to the insurgency and other militant groups, authorities say.
The Taliban are a group of thieves, said a currency exchange owner here who was robbed of nearly $2 million last year and who did not want to be identified for fear of further trouble. If it was God, theyd steal from him, too.
Pakistani counterterrorism officials say they believe that kidnapping for ransom may have been the single largest revenue source for the Talibans top commander in the country, Baitullah Mehsud, before he was killed this month in an American drone strike.
Last year, Mr. Mehsuds network may have held as many as 70 hostages, said a Pakistani counterterrorism official who did not speak for attribution for reasons of protocol. Control over these criminal networks and the money they generate may have been at the center of what seemed to be the struggle over who would succeed Mr. Mehsud.
The world thinks this is about religion, but thats a mistake, said Sharfuddin Memon, director in Karachi of the Citizens Police Liaison Committee, a crime watch group run by members of the business community. Its about money and power. Faith has nothing to do with it.
The kidnappers who took Shawkat Afridi, a prominent businessman, last year, did not make a single mistake, the family said. A caller breathed his demands into the phone in a bewildering array of accents. First he sounded like an Afghan. Then like a Mehsud tribesman. After more than 50 phone calls over five months, Mr. Afridis family finally agreed to pay $2.5 million for his release.
We understood he was not an ordinary kidnapper, said Gul Afridi, the victims brother. There was no way out.
Typical of such cases, the group, which the police said was Taliban-related, had chosen its target carefully: the Afridis are rich businessmen who supply fuel to NATO forces in Afghanistan. Other recent cases include a prominent film distributor, the owner of a textile mill and a personnel manager at a pipe manufacturer.
Though just 10 percent of kidnappings are connected to the Taliban, according to the police, the ransoms they generate generally $60,000 to $250,000 each collect more money than all the other cases combined.
Theyre real professionals, said Ahmed Chinoy, a textile manufacturer who is the deputy head of the citizens committee, which was established in 1989 by the business community to protect against encroaching crime. They know for sure that whoever they take can afford to pay.
The same goes for bank robberies. Raja Umer Khattab, a senior police officer in Karachis Special Investigations Unit, noticed something strange early last year. The robbers had beards and bigger than usual guns, and, unlike ordinary thieves, they tended to kill the security guards. They were taking the banks surveillance systems, along with the cash.
We started seeing a different kind of crime more professional, more aggressive, he said in an interview. We realized these criminals were linked to jihadis.
Mr. Khattab dug further. These criminals switched cellphone SIM cards like bus tickets, and had a code word for every neighborhood. Last August he made a series of arrests and a bomb exploded under his car. Shrapnel scars still mark his neck.
A recent influx of people in Karachi displaced by the militarys offensive in the northwest has expanded opportunities for the Taliban. Many are Pashtuns, the ethnic group most closely associated with the Taliban. Fanned by local politicians, ethnic tensions erupted in clashes that killed dozens this spring in Karachi. The authorities say Taliban-related crime has dropped greatly since then, with the arrests of the crime leaders breaking networks, among them, the gang that kidnapped Mr. Afridi.
But many of the networks are still in place, crisscrossing the city like a web, with strong links to Taliban sanctuaries in the northwest.
In the case of the heist at the money exchange last year, two security guards, who were from the Mehsud tribe, carried out the robbery. The exchanges owners believed the men were working directly for Mr. Mehsud. They were uneducated and had been told that the exchange was taking money from the C.I.A. and that its dollars were the proof.
They were brainwashed, said one of the owners, who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution. They were told, if you do this, its good for Islam.
In many ways, it is the Pashtuns who suffer most. Militants extort money from the biggest oil traders to the smallest house servants, and Pashtuns can do little to resist, because their families remain in areas that the militants control.
Shahid, 22, a shy servant in Karachi, squirms when he describes how half of his $100 monthly salary goes to the local militant commander in his village, near the Afghan border. He did not want his full name used for fear of Taliban retribution. The commander was once a bus conductor, but has grown rich in his position, hoarding more than 200 sport utility vehicles, Shahid said.
Refusing has consequences: Four who recently fought the extortion turned up dead, Shahid said. Their bodies were not allowed a burial in the village, a sign of shame.
If we give, were in trouble, and if we dont give, were in trouble, said Abzal Khan Mehsud, a member of the Oil Tanker Owners Association, who said he had not been able to go to his village for years out of fear of the militants who control it. Were being ground down in between.
In a gritty industrial area of north Karachi, businessmen have taken matters into their own hands. Idrees Gigi, a textile manufacturer, is building a tall cement wall along the edge of his property. On the other side is Sorabgoth, a bone-poor Pashtun neighborhood.
The hope is that the wall will help shield his factory from crime, but security precautions do nothing to address the real problem, which Mr. Gigi believes is poverty. Parts of Sorabgoth lack roads and running water.
On a recent Saturday, young men scrambled past the wall over a river of red wastewater across a footbridge made of drainage chutes. Mr. Gigi employs thousands of residents, and has built four schools, but it is not enough.
The worse the economy is, the more jihadis it will create, he said. This is a money war.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/29/world/asia/29karachi.html?_r=2&hp
Ismail Khan contributed reporting from Peshawar, Pakistan, and Dania Khan from Karachi.
dukelondon
Senator (1k+ posts)
Munnawar Hasan nay Baighairti aur shaytaniyat ki hud kar di. Jhoota Syed hai ye. Shayateen ka sathi aur aik aisi jamaat ka nigraan jis nay Shayateen paida kiye jo Musalmano aur Pakistanis kay galay kaat rahein hain. Is bayghairat per ghaddari ka muqadma chalana chahiye. In logoon kay mutabiq har Shaytaan (Taliban) Shaheed hota hai. Itna gira diya hai in Shaitanoon nay Shahadat jaisey azeem darjay ka Mayaar.
proud_paki
Citizen
JAMAT-E-ISLAMI woh political party hay jisay Pakistan main rehnay walay musalmanon kay ilawa poori duniya k musalmano ki fikar hay..jaisay k afghanistan, iraq, palestine or kashmir... pehlay Pakistan k musalmon ka to soch lo bhai.....hum palestinians say bhi buri halat mein hain.... wallchawking ker kay pooray mulk kii deewarain gandi kernay k ilawa in logon ko koii aur kaam nahin hay..5 saal NWFP ka bera ghark kiya hay or terrorist (jinhain JI walon ko mujahidin kehtay huye sharam bhi nahin aati) paida kiye hain. Baitullah mehsud India ka agent tha aur yeh baat sari dunya jaanti hay or ager JI us ghaddar ko shaheed kehti hay to ALLAH he hafiz hay....Pakistan k education system ko barbaad kernay mein jitna bara kirdaar jamat-e-islami ka hay kisi aur ka nahin...Mere college mein jab class chal rahi hoti thi to yeh loag bina hichkichaye ander aaker teacher ko bahar bhej detay thy phir poori class say USA, Israel or India k barbaad honay kii dua kerwatay thy ..aur teacher ager kuch keh dey to woh becharay to gaye.. yeh loag Quad-e-azam ko ka kaafir-e-azam kehtay thy or Pak fauj ko Napak fauj.. in sab per ghaddri ka case chalna chahiye or foran ban kerna chahiye....Dharti pe bojh...
strange .. anybody can write anything here and then ppl start to discuss, do we have a proof of all this , JI .. never been a fan of them but then that doestn mean we can just spit out anything ... just bcz we dont like the people ..
how about if i say indian prime minister is gay , or altaf hussein is a pimp and been supplying girls ??
ofcourse all this is rubbish , but i said it just to make u guys think ..
grow up guys
how about if i say indian prime minister is gay , or altaf hussein is a pimp and been supplying girls ??
ofcourse all this is rubbish , but i said it just to make u guys think ..
grow up guys
PakPatriot1
Senator (1k+ posts)
ramses2x1 said:
I think you never went to any Pakistani University or College in your life. Just ask any Punjab University or Karachi university graduates from 1970s, 1980s and early 1990s. They will tell you the real stories of madmashi of JI.
PakPatriot1
Senator (1k+ posts)
MQM said:
Not only MQM, everyone.
I cannot forget Pakhtoon SF, Punjabi SF, PSF, Hazarawal SF, Kashmir SF, GA Sindh, Baluch SF, MSF, JUI, JUP etc.etc.etc. What they were doing in Karachi University way before APMSO there?
I cannot forget NED hostel # J4, where Mr. Boroo used to live and in what activities himself and his friends were involved.Once raided, they stated that they were doing it all because Jamati were also doing this.
I still remember how Karachi University's central mosue was used by these Jamatis.
I still remember what was stored in the labs of chemistry deptt.
I still remember how Burqa Posh Jamati girls supply guns to their brothers.
JI is a mother of all fasaads in Pakistan.
If you can refresh your memory.
If you don't agree with me then write this to Mr. Hussain Haqqani, ambassador of Pakistan in USA . He should verify everything.
PakPatriot1
Senator (1k+ posts)
MQM said:
@MQM
With due respect sir, if I agree with you then still the case is like that:
MQM vs ALL
So, to defend from every body, this is logical to give more strength to ourselves.
Otherwise arabian sea is waiting for MQM people. ;)
@PakPatriot1
ye andhey ka khuab hi ho sakta hay ke mqm ke ley ariabian samundar hey na es tarah ho sakta hey or na koi mai ka laal ye karne ki jurat karega magar mqm ko chahee ke woh tamam quamiaton ko sath milaa kar chhaley khuda ki qasam ye baqi ke sarey vote ki taqat sey gharak kar diye jainge magar mqm apni safain tu khule or mazi ki ghaltiun par khuley dil sey mafi mange koi es ke samne tike ga nahee
ye andhey ka khuab hi ho sakta hay ke mqm ke ley ariabian samundar hey na es tarah ho sakta hey or na koi mai ka laal ye karne ki jurat karega magar mqm ko chahee ke woh tamam quamiaton ko sath milaa kar chhaley khuda ki qasam ye baqi ke sarey vote ki taqat sey gharak kar diye jainge magar mqm apni safain tu khule or mazi ki ghaltiun par khuley dil sey mafi mange koi es ke samne tike ga nahee
hey guys ,what happened try to understand ,india and israel are trying to create friction among us.please just forget this nonsense of blaming and taunting each other thats what the enemy wants.Please for God sake ,the coutry is already going through turmoil,stop this kind of stuff and be united to face the enemy who is creating hatred among us from inside,thats a cyber war created by our enemies,beware of it and dont get trapped.i will request the adminstration and moderators to stop this kind of stuff on this site which will create hatred among our community.indian site dont allow themselves this kind of stuff,so be carefull next time specially the indian people like contra and others who post stuff for discussion is a part of conspiracy,so be caefull,thanks.All of a sudden it started today and everyone is going to each others throat,its not democracy ,its a conspiracy against us.we are all pakisanis, punjabis,urdu speaking,pathan and baluchis,we are all brothers and sisters.please understand this conspiracy,thats exactly india did in east pakistan which became bangladesh,india started a hatred war against punjabis and others in bangladesh,now they are doing the same here.that time the govt was congress and this time also govt is congress which have a double face.BJP in opposition talk against pakistan but in power they are better than congress,w ith pakistan.
