Islam is way and compelet code of life for Muslims.

[saqibmkhan]

I find the Quran as the essence of Islam and its primary source of legislation and guidance word by word. The main theme of Quran is the relationship between humans and their Creator and reminds us again and again of Oneness and supremacy of Allah and His worthiness of worship and none other, and eventual fate of every soul to be held accountable for its deeds on the Day of Judgment. The Quran lays down a comprehensive code of living righteous and peaceful and those who obey them will be awarded bliss or punishment accordingly in the finality of eternal life. I follow Islam, not with blindfolds on, not at all but in the Quran, Allah tells us that those who follow the faith and in His message through reasoning and scrutiny are better than those who accept it with blank minds.

As far as the Muslims are concerned, we do not need casuistry examination of Islam, as it is the final and true message of Almighty Allah revealed to Prophet Mohammed for the whole of mankind. There is no scope for criticism especially within us but we cannot stop outsiders and we welcome any challenge and prepared to refute all accounts. I am proud to say that Muslims follow Islam and its concept as a complete way of life because it is the best way for them and there is no doubt in our minds that its pronouncements of the universe, nature, unseen, including historical aspects; and its legislative ruling laying out a complete way of governing in every sphere of our lives from the spiritual to the political are Absolute Truth. Islam has progressive traditions and Islamic civilization has in the past proved capable of extraordinary feats of tolerance.

The rebirth of Islam is not only bound up with the new material riches of the Muslim lands but also it is fed by the knowledge that Islam is in a position to offer a spiritual base that is valid for the life of a people. The traditional Christian basis that made Europe seems to be fleeing from the land of the old Europe, which, notwithstanding the persistence of its political and spiritual power, has come to be seen ever more as condemned to decline and crumble.

Islam is not just a religion; it is a way of life. The Arabic word ‘Deen’ reflects a whole way of living, rather than simply a collection of rituals. It means following Islam in every aspect of life. Its distinct features are two: (1) harmonious equilibrium between temporal and the spiritual, permitting a full enjoyment of all that Allah has created; belief in one God without images and symbols. (2) All believers becoming brothers and sisters and equal without any distinction of class, race or tongue. The only superiority, which it recognizes, is a personal one, based on greater fear of God and greater piety (taqwa0. Islam seeks to establish a world community where every individual makes a constant effort for spreading the good and prevent evil. In Islam, we object to polytheism because it would entail the difficulty of division between several gods, if not a civil war.

 

[Citizen X]

I am proud to say that Muslims follow Islam and its concept as a complete way of life

Where do you see this happening in the world, I too would like to see this, specially somewhere in Pakistan.

 

[Vitamin_C]

ISIS attempted it but it didnt last very long. They raided villages and raped kafir women and sold them as sex slaves according to quran, hadith and prophet's biography. Chopped peoples limbs off for theft and threw gay people off buildings. Subhanallah.

Where do you see this happening in the world, I too would like to see this, specially somewhere in Pakistan.

 

[Citizen X]

ISIS attempted it but it didnt last very long. They raided villages and raped kafir women and sold them as sex slaves according to quran, hadith and prophet's biography. Chopped peoples limbs off for theft and threw gay people off buildings. Subhanallah.

See I don't blame you for being an atheist because what you said is unfortunately true what is being passed of Islam today by the Muslim clergy is exactly what the Taliban and ISIS were trying to do. But fact of the matter is, it really has nothing to with Islam.

 

[Vitamin_C]

According to hadith and prophets biography that was what Muhammad's Islam was like. And Quran does not contradict it, it actually facilitates it by institutionalizing slavery and torture. How is an intelligent person like you believe in a God that allows slavery of other humans and allows torture, involuntary amputation of limbs and then if someone doesn't believe in him he threatens to torture them by burning them for eternity. Sounds legit.

Haath kaat dene ki saza, Gol matol chaatiyon ki lalach or aag me jalane ki dhamkiyan. Kisi bhi angle se nahi lagta ka 100 billion galaxy bana ne walay ne yeh kitab likhi hogi.

See I don't blame you for being an atheist because what you said is unfortunately true what is being passed of Islam today by the Muslim clergy is exactly what the Taliban and ISIS were trying to do. But fact of the matter is, it really has nothing to with Islam.

 

[Wake up Pak]

ISIS attempted it but it didnt last very long. They raided villages and raped kafir women and sold them as sex slaves according to quran, hadith and prophet's biography. Chopped peoples limbs off for theft and threw gay people off buildings. Subhanallah.

Do not equate nonsense to Islam.

 

[Wake up Pak]

According to hadith and prophets biography that was what Muhammad's Islam was like. And Quran does not contradict it, it actually facilitates it by institutionalizing slavery and torture. How is an intelligent person like you believe in a God that allows slavery of other humans and allows torture, involuntary amputation of limbs and then if someone doesn't believe in him he threatens to torture them by burning them for eternity. Sounds legit.

Do not misquote the Quranic ayats. Hadith can find its way in trash can.

 

[Citizen X]

According to hadith and prophets biography that was what Muhammad's Islam was like

Hadith and Biographies are not divine revelation nor can their authenticity be 100% verified in fact majority of it can't be verified nor can any religion be taken from them.

How is an intelligent person like you believe in a God that allows slavery of other humans

It is against slavery, in fact one of the most pious act of worship a person could do was free slaves but just like everything else it was abolished gradually. The "most civilized" nation on earth went to war with itself over the matter of slavery. So it was big deal for people of the past and could not be just implemented cold turkey.

involuntary amputation of limbs and then if someone doesn't believe in him

I haven't come across any such verses.

if someone doesn't believe in him he threatens to torture them by burning them for eternity

Just like if you challenge the writ of the state there are consequences, same here.

 

[Vitamin_C]

I haven't come across any such verses.

As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power. Quran 5:38

Just like if you challenge the writ of the state there are consequences, same here.

Tell me which state has official policy to physically torture people in their country? Every civilized country considers torture to be wrong and illegal.

Hadith and Biographies are not divine revelation nor can their authenticity be 100% verified in fact majority of it can't be verified nor can any religion be taken from them.

Bhai yeh aapki apne Musalmano ki likhi hui kitabain hain, yeh hum kaafiron ne nahi likheen. History books do not have to be divine to be correct, we know more about Muhammad's life than any other historic figure from any major religion because of all the historians that wrote about his life. We cannot throw all those books out just because they are not "divine". Especially when Quran doesn't contradict what these books are saying. The same barbarity in Ibn Kathir is portrayed in Quran as well.

Your skins will burn for ever and then grow back and burn again for eternity. - Imagine the sick mind that can even think of such violent and barbaric things

It is against slavery, in fact one of the most pious act of worship a person could do was free slaves but just like everything else it was abolished gradually.

Yeh kaha se aapne bongi maari hai?

According to Quran:
1. Muslim men are allowed to own female sex slaves and have sex with them any time Surah 4:3, 4:29, 33:49
2. Quran says a slaves are as helpless infront of their masters as idols are before god. Surah 16:77

Now you will say Quran is not divine.

The "most civilized" nation on earth went to war with itself over the matter of slavery.

America of 19th century was by no means the most civilized nation on Earth, nor is it today. If you want to take example of civilized nations then lets talk about Scandinavian countries of 21st century.

So it was big deal for people of the past and could not be just implemented cold turkey.

Isnt Quran supposed to be a book of guidance for all times? So slavery was acceptable then which means for Quran it is still acceptable. There have been many leaders even before Muhammad who abolished slavery during their time and they didnt even have God behind them.

 

[BrotherKantu]

Islam is way and complete code of life for all human beings.

All developed nations especially non Muslim adopted Islamic rules to prosper.


Think about it.


.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Can you mention 10-15 Islamic rules? And what are sources of those rules?

Islam is way and complete code of life for all human beings.

All developed nations especially non Muslim adopted Islamic rules to prosper.


Think about it.


.

 

[Citizen X]

As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power. Quran 5:38

You said

involuntary amputation of limbs and then if someone doesn't believe in him

Tell me which state has official policy to physically torture people in their country? Every civilized country considers torture to be wrong and illegal.

That's why you can be sentenced to death for treason in many "civilized" countries.

Bhai yeh aapki apne Musalmano ki likhi hui kitabain hain, yeh hum kaafiron ne nahi likheen. History books do not have to be divine to be correct, we know more about Muhammad's life than any other historic figure from any major religion because of all the historians that wrote about his life. We cannot throw all those books out just because they are not "divine". Especially when Quran doesn't contradict what these books are saying. The same barbarity in Ibn Kathir is portrayed in Quran as well.

Once again these are not divine texts and there will always be error and bias in them. I don't take my religion from books of history or biographies.

Muslim men are allowed to own female sex slaves and have sex with them any time

What you call sex slaves are consorts ( once again a norm of those times) and were only taken from tribes or people who lost battles or war. And clearly you are just cut and pasting from some Islamophobic website because 4:29, 33:49 have absolutely nothing to do with this subject.

Quran says a slaves are as helpless infront of their masters as idols are before god. Surah 16:77

Once again another Islamophobic cut and paste, the verse has nothing to do with slavery

Surah 16:77- And to Allah belongs the unseen [aspects] of the heavens and the earth. And the command for the Hour is not but as a glance of the eye or even nearer. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.

Surah An-Nahl [16:77]

Surat An-Nahl [verse 77]

quran.com

Next time at least check the references you are going to cut and paste from your usual islamophobic archives

 

[Vitamin_C]

So Quran says it is okay to rape and abuse prisoners of war?

If Pakistan army surrendered in Bengal in 1971 so according to Islam it is acceptable for Indians to take the wives and daughters of Pakistan soldiers as consorts and rape them?

What kind of nonsense are you trying to justify here?

were only taken from tribes or people who lost battles or war

 

[Citizen X]

Ok so now we are skipping everything you bumbled up and just cherry picking one point you think that will stick, ok, I can live with that.

So Quran says it is okay to rape and abuse prisoners of war?

Like I said regardless of what your islamophobic sources say, the word sex slave is just a made up by them to give you an impression that women were kept in dark dungeons and men just came in willy nilly raped them and fucked off whenever they wanted to.

They have been given a slightly lower standard than wives and referred to as what your right hand possess. You've never heard of harems before? They were well kept and fed only they did not have any inheritance rights or divorce rights. Any children borne by them were considered children of their father with full rights just like their other children. And they could always be set free, married and turned into wives ( which did happen )

You and your Islamophobe buddies problem is you are trying to imposed your very recently gained (barely 100 yr old) morality standards on a society from 1400 years ago.

The US imposed prohibition on alcohol in the 1920's and you know what happened , I already mentioned about abolishing slavery and how your "civilized" world reacted to this.

If Prophet Muhammed one day out of the blue got up and said from today onwards no more slaves, no consorts no alcohol, no this and that, what do you think the reaction would have been. Just the simple message that there is no God but Allah turned majority of his clan against him to the point they wanted to murder him and also for the longest time he had very few followers who were willing to accept his message. Would had even less then.

So all these things were implemented slowly and step by step.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Here is a slap on all the atheist on this forum. Especially for someone who is high on vitamin C.

What famous non-Muslims said about Islam and Prophet Muhammad PBUH

Napoleon Bonaparte
I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of Quran which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness.

Sir George Bernard Shaw
I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity.

I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.

H.G. Wells
The Islamic teachings have left great traditions for equitable and gentle dealings and behaviour, and inspire people with nobility and tolerance. These are human teachings of the highest order and at the same time practicable. These teachings brought into existence a society in which hard-heartedness and collective oppression and injustice were the least as compared with all other societies preceding it… Islam is replete with gentleness, courtesy, and fraternity.

Phillip Hitti
During all the first part of the Middle Ages, no other people made as important a contribution to human progress as did the Arabs, if we take this term to mean all those whose mother-tongue was Arabic, and not merely those living in the Arabian peninsula. For centuries, Arabic was the language of learning, culture and intellectual progress for the whole of the civilized world with the exception of the Far East. From the 9th to the 12th century there were more philosophical, medical, historical, religious, astronomical and geographical works written in Arabic than in any other human tongue.

R. Bosworth Smith
He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope’s pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life.

Sarojini Naidu
It was the first religion that preached and practised democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: ‘God Alone is Great’

Dr. William Draper
Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born in Mecca, in Arabia, the man who, of all men, has exercised the greatest influence upon the human race… To be the religious head of many empires, to guide the daily life of one-third of the human race, may perhaps justify the title of a Messenger of God.

Thomas Carlyle
The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only.
A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world, the world’s Maker had ordered so.

A. S. Tritton
The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand and the Qur’an in the other is quite false.

De Lacy O’Leary
History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.

Edward Gibbon
The good sense of Muhammad despised the pomp of royalty. The Apostle of God submitted to the menial offices of the family; he kindled the fire; swept the floor; milked the ewes; and mended with his own hands his shoes and garments. Disdaining the penance and merit of a hermit, he observed without effort of vanity the abstemious diet of an Arab.

Simon Oakley
The greatest success of Mohammad’s life was effected by sheer moral force.

Edward Montet
Islam is a religion that is essentially rationalistic in the widest sense of this term considered etymologically and historically… the teachings of the Prophet, the Qur’an has invariably kept its place as the fundamental starting point, and the dogma of unity of God has always been proclaimed therein with a grandeur a majesty, an invariable purity and with a note of sure conviction, which it is hard to find surpassed outside the pale of Islam… A creed so precise, so stripped of all theological complexities and consequently so accessible to the ordinary understanding might be expected to possess and does indeed possess a marvellous power of winning its way into the consciences of men.

Mahatma Gandhi
I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind… I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the second volume (of the Prophet’s biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of that great life.

Alphonse de LaMartaine
If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astonishing results are the three criteria of a human genius, who could dare compare any great man in history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws, and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples, dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and the souls.

Michael Hart
My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the secular and religious level.
…It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity. .
..It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history.

Rodwell
Mohammad’s career is a wonderful instance of the force and life that resides in him who possesses an intense faith in God and in the unseen world. He will always be regarded as one of those who have had that influence over the faith, morals and whole earthly life of their fellow men, which none but a really great man ever did, or can exercise; and whose efforts to propagate a great verity will prosper.

W. Montgomery Watt
His readiness to undergo persecution for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as a leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement - all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems that it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad…

Thus, not merely must we credit Muhammad with essential honesty and integrity of purpose, if we are to understand him at all; if we are to correct the errors we have inherited from the past, we must not forget the conclusive proof is a much stricter requirement than a show of plausibility, and in a matter such as this only to be attained with difficulty.

D. G. Hogarth in ‘Arabia’
Serious or trivial, his daily behaviour has instituted a canon which millions observe this day with conscious memory. No one regarded by any section of the human race as Perfect Man has ever been imitated so minutely.The conduct of the founder of Christianity has not governed the ordinary life of his followers. Moreover, no founder of a religion has left on so solitary an eminence as the Muslim apostle.

Washington Irving
He was sober and abstemious in his diet and a rigorous observer of fasts. He indulged in no magnificence of apparel, the ostentation of a petty mind; neither was his simplicity in dress affected but a result of real disregard for distinction from so trivial a source.

In his private dealings he was just. He treated friends and strangers, the rich and poor, the powerful and weak, with equity, and was beloved by the common people for the affability with which he received them, and listened to their complaints.

His military triumphs awakened no pride nor vain glory, as they would have done had they been effected for selfish purposes. In the time of his greatest power he maintained the same simplicity of manners and appearance as in the days of his adversity. So far from affecting a regal state, he was displeased if, on entering a room, any unusual testimonials of respect were shown to him. If he aimed at a universal dominion, it was the dominion of faith; as to the temporal rule which grew up in his hands, as he used it without ostentation, so he took no step to perpetuate it in his family.

James Michener
No other religion in history spread so rapidly as Islam. The West has widely believed that this surge of religion was made possible by the sword. But no modern scholar accepts this idea, and the Qur’an is explicit in the support of the freedom of conscience.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Make up your mind it is either a complete guide for all time and all mankind, or it is an incomplete book and other things such as abolishing slavey was okay then but has to be changed over time.
You cannot pick both and keep moving the goal post.

Mei aapki yeh baat 100% maan ne ko tayar hoon agar aap yeh keh dein k Abraham Lincoln ki tarha, Muhammad bhi aik aam sa politician tha.

Eik side par aa p divinity claim kar rahe hain dosre side pr aapne mayar yeh rakha hai k 100 billion galaxy k creator ne apna aakhri messenger bheja laikin Allah ko yeh khouf hai raigistan me rehne walay jahil arab kaise react kerenge. Aise bondi arguments ko kehte hain na sir na pair sirf hawa di fire.

So all these things were implemented slowly and step by step.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Criticizing Islam is not Islamophobia, calling for hate and attacks on Muslims is Islamophobia. Islam is an idea and all ideas can be criticized.

I am against Islamophobia because I believe humans are more important than ideas. So its okay to criticize Islam, its not okay to call for attacks against mosques, muslims and their properties.

You and your Islamophobe

 

[Imranpak]

We have made Islam in to making Namaz and fasting. The human rights and justice factors are completely missing in Muslim society. Islam is the natural way of living for all humanity not just Muslim's.

 

[Citizen X]

Make up your mind it is either a complete guide for all time and all mankind, or it is an incomplete book and other things such as abolishing slavey was okay then but has to be changed over time.
You cannot pick both and keep moving the goal post.

Mei aapki yeh baat 100% maan ne ko tayar hoon agar aap yeh keh dein k Abraham Lincoln ki tarha, Muhammad bhi aik aam sa politician tha.

Eik side par aa p divinity claim kar rahe hain dosre side pr aapne mayar yeh rakha hai k 100 billion galaxy k creator ne apna aakhri messenger bheja laikin Allah ko yeh khouf hai raigistan me rehne walay jahil arab kaise react kerenge. Aise bondi arguments ko kehte hain na sir na pair sirf hawa di fire.

Don't talk to me in "Roman Urdu" a few sentences are fine but it's a chore reading so much of it. Your arguments if I can call them that are nothing but red herrings and irrelevant to the topic at hand, you are mixing your threads here or just trying to move goal posts again without anyone noticing.

If Allah had willed he would have made us all Muslims of one nation, as mentioned in the Quran itself but he gave us free will in return in he put us through this test called life. But I digress that's not the topic at hand here.

To recap, just in case you have forgotten you claimed Islam to be something evil and cruel like ISIS, I agreed that what is being passed off as religion by the mullah clergy today is exactly what the ISIS and Taliban set out to do, even though it has nothing to actually do with Islam.

But you kept on insisting this is what Islam is all about and told me this is what history and biographies tell us, even after I told you I don't get or take my religion from books of history. Then you made up some false claims that ones limbs are to be amputated if one does not believe in Allah and also some totally irrelevant cut and paste references from the Quran.

Then you made up more stories about sex slaves and when everything was done and countered you started throwing out red herrings that oh Allah the almighty creator of the universe is afraid of some Bedouin sensitivities, come on man, seriously. I wasn't expecting this, even from you!

 

[Citizen X]

Criticizing Islam is not Islamophobia, calling for hate and attacks on Muslims is Islamophobia. Islam is an idea and all ideas can be criticized.

I am against Islamophobia because I believe humans are more important than ideas. So its okay to criticize Islam, its not okay to call for attacks against mosques, muslims and their properties.

Islamophobia is the fear, hatred of, or prejudice against the Islamic religion or Muslims generally, especially when seen as a geopolitical force or the source of terrorism.

Hate

ISIS attempted it but it didnt last very long. They raided villages and raped kafir women and sold them as sex slaves according to quran, hadith and prophet's biography. Chopped peoples limbs off for theft and threw gay people off buildings. Subhanallah.

More hate and lies

Quran does not contradict it, it actually facilitates it by institutionalizing slavery and torture.

More lies

God that allows slavery of other humans and allows torture

Fabricated lies made to seem they are from the Quran

1. Muslim men are allowed to own female sex slaves and have sex with them any time Surah 4:3, 4:29, 33:49
2. Quran says a slaves are as helpless infront of their masters as idols are before god. Surah 16:77

If the cap fits, wear it.