Is it permissible for mourners to cry excessively wail, scream on dead individual?

[Muslimah]

When the person dies,people say: Don't cry the dead individual harm.. Is it true?

"So be patient with gracious patience." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 70, Verse 5

The Qur'an also states:

"God does not charge a soul except [within] its capacity. It will have whatever [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] whatever [evil] it has earned." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 2, Verse 286

 

[samar]

who is this guy .................. ????????????? what is his status in terms of knowledge about deeen...........

 

[Muslimah]

who is this guy .................. ????????????? what is his status in terms of knowledge about deeen...........

google him (bigsmile)

 

[Doctorplato]

Non-sense mullahs...Don't they have something productive to do instead of wasting time on such non-issues?

 

[hans]

It all depends upon Religious certifying Agency. If its King of Saudi Arabia who is Crying out loudly for his Dead Camel or Horse its OK.[hilar]

 

[Truth_Hurts]

agree with the person......
At the time of the death of hazrat hamza ra. hazoor pbuh said that crying loudly like in a way when women or even men get togather and cry loudly and talk non sense like this guy mention is not appropriate.

 

[sarbakaf]

Non-sense mullahs...Don't they have something productive to do instead of wasting time on such non-issues?

Well if its such a non issue then i request you to invite a MUSICAL GROUP when your dad or mom or brother or sister dies....

It will not only save your time but will also create some fun.....

You know what i think you have some sort of complex , because you do not know about religion and instead of learning about it you find it easy to criticise it and its preachers....

Good luck to you...but its a wasted effort....

 

[sarbakaf]

It all depends upon Religious certifying Agency. If its King of Saudi Arabia who is Crying out loudly for his Dead Camel or Horse its OK.[hilar]

You forgot mentioning COW MOTHER , MONKEY GOD , ELEPHENT GOD AND other animals ...which dies and half of indian cities cry like CROCODILE.....

[hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]

 

[Pakistani1947]

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has forbidden crying out loud and wailing over the dead person

who is this guy .................. ????????????? what is his status in terms of knowledge about deeen...........

It does not matter who is saying! All is matter what he is saying!!

Is someone saying according to Quraan and Hadeeth? The quick and easy test is Quraan and authentic Hadeeths:

Narrated Abu Burda: That his father said, "When Umar was stabbed, Suhaib started crying: O my brother! 'Umar said, 'Don't you know that the Prophet said: The deceased is tortured for the weeping of the living'?" (Sahih Bukhari, Book #23, Hadith #377)

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah : On the day of the Battle of Uhud, my father was brought and he had been mayhemed and was placed in front of Allah's Apostle and a sheet was over him. I went intending to uncover my father but my people forbade me; again I wanted to uncover him but my people forbade me. Allah's Apostle gave his order and he was shifted away. At that time he heard the voice of a crying woman and asked, "Who is this?" They said, "It is the daughter or the sister of Amr." He said, "Why does she weep? (or let her stop weeping), for the angels had been shading him with their wings till he (i.e. the body of the martyr) was shifted away." (Sahih Bukhari,Book #23, Hadith #381)

Narrated 'Aisha: When the Prophet got the news of the death of Ibn Haritha, Ja'far and Ibn Rawaha he sat down andwomen of Ja'far. The Prophet ordered him to forbid them. The man went and came back saying that he had told them but they did not listen to him. The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "Forbid them." So again he went and came back for the third time and said, "O Allah's Apostle! By Allah, they did not listen to us at all." ('Aisha added): Allah's Apostle ordered him to go and put dust in their mouths. I said, (to that man) "May Allah stick your nose in the dust (i.e. humiliate you)! You could neither (persuade the women to) fulfill the order of Allah's Apostle nor did you relieve Allah's Apostle from fatigue. " looked sad and I was looking at him through the chink of the door. A man came and told him about the crying of the (Sahih Bukhari, Book #23, Hadith #386)

Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came to a woman who had been weeping for her (dead) child, and said to her: Fear Allah and show endurance. She (not recognising him) said: You have not been afflicted as I have been. When he (the Holy Prophet) had departed, it was said to her that he was the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), she was mortally shocked. She came to his door and she did not find doorkeepers at his door. She said: Messenger of Allah. I did not recognise you. He said: Endurance is to be shown at first blow, or at the first blow. (Sahih Muslim, Book #004, Hadith #2013)

'Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Hafsa wept for 'Umar (when he was about to due). He ('Umar) said: Be quiet, my daughter. Don't you know that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said:" The dead is punished because of his family's weeping over it"?(Sahih Muslim, Book #004, Hadith #2015)

Ibn 'Umar reported: When 'Umar was wounded he fainted, and there was a loud lamentation over him. When he regained consciousness he said: Didn't you know that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:" The dead is punished because of the weeping of the living"? (Sahih Muslim, Book #004, Hadith #2018)


Note: This test is available to follower of Quraan and Hadeeths by the blessing of Allah, and is not available to blind follower of ignorant peers and ignorant mullahs.

 

[Humi]

I agree with what he said..what's the point of crying like the end of the world has come...It had to happen...To Allah we all belong and to him we shall return..

 

[samar]

Re: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has forbidden crying out loud and wailing over the dead person

It does not matter who is saying! All is matter what he is saying!!

Is someone saying according to Quraan and Hadeeth? The quick and easy test is Quraan and authentic Hadeeths:

Narrated Abu Burda: That his father said, "When Umar was stabbed, Suhaib started crying: O my brother! 'Umar said, 'Don't you know that the Prophet said: The deceased is tortured for the weeping of the living'?" (Sahih Bukhari, Book #23, Hadith #377)

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah : On the day of the Battle of Uhud, my father was brought and he had been mayhemed and was placed in front of Allah's Apostle and a sheet was over him. I went intending to uncover my father but my people forbade me; again I wanted to uncover him but my people forbade me. Allah's Apostle gave his order and he was shifted away. At that time he heard the voice of a crying woman and asked, "Who is this?" They said, "It is the daughter or the sister of Amr." He said, "Why does she weep? (or let her stop weeping), for the angels had been shading him with their wings till he (i.e. the body of the martyr) was shifted away." (Sahih Bukhari,Book #23, Hadith #381)

Narrated 'Aisha: When the Prophet got the news of the death of Ibn Haritha, Ja'far and Ibn Rawaha he sat down andwomen of Ja'far. The Prophet ordered him to forbid them. The man went and came back saying that he had told them but they did not listen to him. The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "Forbid them." So again he went and came back for the third time and said, "O Allah's Apostle! By Allah, they did not listen to us at all." ('Aisha added): Allah's Apostle ordered him to go and put dust in their mouths. I said, (to that man) "May Allah stick your nose in the dust (i.e. humiliate you)! You could neither (persuade the women to) fulfill the order of Allah's Apostle nor did you relieve Allah's Apostle from fatigue. " looked sad and I was looking at him through the chink of the door. A man came and told him about the crying of the (Sahih Bukhari, Book #23, Hadith #386)

Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came to a woman who had been weeping for her (dead) child, and said to her: Fear Allah and show endurance. She (not recognising him) said: You have not been afflicted as I have been. When he (the Holy Prophet) had departed, it was said to her that he was the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), she was mortally shocked. She came to his door and she did not find doorkeepers at his door. She said: Messenger of Allah. I did not recognise you. He said: Endurance is to be shown at first blow, or at the first blow. (Sahih Muslim, Book #004, Hadith #2013)

'Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Hafsa wept for 'Umar (when he was about to due). He ('Umar) said: Be quiet, my daughter. Don't you know that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said:" The dead is punished because of his family's weeping over it"?(Sahih Muslim, Book #004, Hadith #2015)

Ibn 'Umar reported: When 'Umar was wounded he fainted, and there was a loud lamentation over him. When he regained consciousness he said: Didn't you know that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:" The dead is punished because of the weeping of the living"? (Sahih Muslim, Book #004, Hadith #2018)


Note: This test is available to follower of Quraan and Hadeeths by the blessing of Allah, and is not available to blind follower of ignorant peers and ignorant mullahs.

ye nazria tahir ul qadri k wakt kion nhi apply krtey jo mujhey bta rahey ho......................manfikat hi b koi hadd hoteeee he............

 

[Pakistani1947]

Re: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has forbidden crying out loud and wailing over the dead person

ye nazria tahir ul qadri k wakt kion nhi apply krtey jo mujhey bta rahey ho......................manfikat hi b koi hadd hoteeee he............

Dear Samar,

tahir-ul-qadri is a famous disputed personality through out the Muslim world. unfortunately, he has failed the test of Quraan and hadeeths.

My point is that an unknown scholar can build his / her credibility by acting and preaching according to Quraan and authentic Hadeeth. Unfortunately, tahir-ul-qadri has lost his credibility.

May Allah give hidayat to this deviated nation of Pakistan (Aameen)

 

[Amna_Amo]

I agree with what he said..what's the point of crying like the end of the world has come...It had to happen...To Allah we all belong and to him we shall return..

agree wid you :)

 

[Doctorplato]

My friends no one cries to make any POINT. People cry at the departure of their near and dear ones not to score points. In most cases it is not any conscious effort to do so. It is just a natural human and emotional reaction to a sad happening. Why are we bent on making Islam a dry, inhuman, unnatural, mechnical religion? Remember this is jus Saudi Wahabiat which is against such things. Psychologically speaking it is sometimes soothing and comforting to cry loudly at a time of extreme stress. And most of all let personal matters be personal. These mullahs should not decide everything for us like parents do for toddlers! We need to grow up on our own.

agree wid you :)

 

[Amna_Amo]

My friends no one cries to make any POINT. People cry at the departure of their near and dear ones not to score points. In most cases it is not any conscious effort to do so. It is just a natural human and emotional reaction to a sad happening. Why are we bent on making Islam a dry, inhuman, unnatural, mechnical religion? Remember this is jus Saudi Wahabiat which is against such things. Psychologically speaking it is sometimes soothing and comforting to cry loudly at a time of extreme stress. And most of all let personal matters be personal. These mullahs should not decide everything for us like parents do for toddlers! We need to grow up on our own.

Did you watch the clip?

 

[Malik495]

when dik-tar paltoo will die . the namaz-e-janaza will be offered by famous pop singer or x-factor winner or any israeli soldier instead of mullah ... so no worries if you are against of mullah.. promise here that you will write in your will to your children dont ask mullah for my namaz-e-janaza,....
idiot

 

[Mughal1]

A muslim has to be a strong person and must behave in a dignified manner at all times.

Natural expression of emotions is fine regardless on happy occasions or on sad occasions.

There come upon muslims times as a community or as individuals when sorrow is unbearable eg look at state of muslims today ie the whole muslim ummah is in terrible state and as a result we are all sad, some more than others. Our reactions to this situation are very different depending on what we know about islam, its benefits and losses and what we know about each other and how we treat each other.

When sons of this ummah are slaughtered before our eyes and when its daughters are insulted before our eyes, it should remind us the days of moses and pharaoh. Yes some of us will take steps that are more appropriate to suit situation and but others will express their emotions in other ways.

Likewise when individuals lose their loves one and their supporting elements, it is easy for others to make unhelpful remarks but difficult to share their sorrow and responsibilities.

Each matter has a context and a perspective so there is no point in trying to condemned the whole thing one way or the other.

The most happy occasion for this ummah was when the prophet established an islamic community and then on its basis he established an islamic state.

The most unhappy occasion was when that state was destroyed and then soon after that the community spirit of this ummah was also destroyed.

The utmost need of the time is to campaign for reestablishment of that community once more and and if there comes about community then work for establishing the divine empire once more for the good of humanity.

So fighting between ummah over little things is actually turning us into a stupid people and energy wasters. If you do not have the bigger picture in front of your mind then whatever else you do is just waste of time. So get to know the bigger picture and get involved to make it in to reality. That is real islam and if you do that then you are a real muslim who can really face the man in the mirror.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKq3KDWpBNw&feature=related

 

[Doctorplato]

My friends no one cries to make any POINT. People cry at the departure of their near and dear ones not to score points. In most cases it is not any conscious effort to do so. It is just a natural human and emotional reaction to a sad happening. Why are we bent on making Islam a dry, inhuman, unnatural, mechnical religion? Remember this is jus Saudi Wahabiat which is against such things. Psychologically speaking it is sometimes soothing and comforting to cry loudly at a time of extreme stress. And most of all let personal matters be personal. These mullahs should not decide everything for us like parents do for toddlers! We need to grow up on our own.

I agree with what he said..what's the point of crying like the end of the world has come...It had to happen...To Allah we all belong and to him we shall return..

 

[Pakistani1947]

My friends no one cries to make any POINT. People cry at the departure of their near and dear ones not to score points. In most cases it is not any conscious effort to do so. It is just a natural human and emotional reaction to a sad happening. Why are we bent on making Islam a dry, inhuman, unnatural, mechnical religion? Remember this is jus Saudi Wahabiat which is against such things. Psychologically speaking it is sometimes soothing and comforting to cry loudly at a time of extreme stress. And most of all let personal matters be personal. These mullahs should not decide everything for us like parents do for toddlers! We need to grow up on our own.

The death of the Prophet's son, Ibrahim, born of Miriyah (May Allah be pleased with her) had occurred in the tenth year of Hijra. The Ahadith clearly prove that weeping over a loved one's death is permissible. But it should be void of wailing.

Wailing ( واویلا۔ ماتم۔ نوحہ) is unanimously forbidden (Haram) as will be mentioned later on. There are some Ahadith which forbid us from crying over somebody's death, and which inform us that the dead will be tormented in their graves as a result of their relatives crying over their death. This prohibition applies only to those cases where crying is accompanied with lamenting and wailing. Weeping without these two is, permissible; and the Ahadith in support of this are many, including the following:

925. Ibn `Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) reported: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) visited Sa`d bin `Ubadah during his illness. He was accompanied by `Abdur-Rahman bin `Auf, Sa`d bin Abu Waqqas and `Abdullah bin Mas`ud (May Allah be pleased with them). The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) began to weep. When his Companions saw this, their tears also started flowing. He (PBUH) said, "Do you not hear, Allah does not punish for the shedding of tears or the grief of the heart, but punishes or bestows mercy for the utterances of this (and he pointed to his tongue).''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

Commentary : Under the stress of grief, man becomes heavy-hearted and tears flow out from his eyes. This is something natural and beyond human control. Rather the outflow of tears results from Divine compassion. This is neither forbidden nor subject to accountability. It is only wailing which is Haram, and is punishable. Yet, man is blessed with Divine mercy if he gives expression to patience and gratefulness by his tongue. Moreover, to mention the merits and excellence of a departed soul is in itself a good thing because others may be stimulated to adopt them. But to recount them by way of wailing is disliked. A Hadith says that a dead person is tormented because of the weeping of his household. Here weeping means lamenting and wailing. Otherwise, to weep is human instinct and no curbs can be put over it. Besides, this warning is meant for such a person who might have been accustomed to wailing during his lifetime. Or he might have left a will to his family for wailing over his death. May be he consciously avoided giving a predeath warning to his kith and kin against wailing. In all the three situations, he will be equally held accountable with his soul being tormented for the wailing of his relatives. In case, he is uninvolved in any of the situations, he will remain free from hellish torments. Instead the wailers will have to bear the brunt of their sin. As the Qur'an says, "No one laden with burdens can bear another's burden.'' (17:15).

926. Usamah bin Zaid (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: A grandson (child of the daughter) of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) was presented to him while the child was at his last breath. Tears began to flow from the eyes of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH). Sa`d said to him: "What is this, O Messenger of Allah?'' He (PBUH) said, "It is mercy which Allah has placed in the hearts of his salves. Allah bestows His Mercy on the merciful among His slaves.''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

927. Anas (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) came to his son Ibrahim (May Allah be pleased with him) when he was breathing his last. The eyes of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) began shedding tears. `Abdur-Rahman bin `Auf (May Allah be pleased with him) said, "O Messenger of Allah, you too weep?'' He (PBUH) said, "O Ibn `Auf! It is mercy.'' Then he began to weep and said, "The eyes are shedding tears and the heart is grieved, and we will not say except what pleases our Rubb. O Ibrahim! Indeed we are grieved by your departure.''
[Al-Bukhari].

Commentary : The death of the Prophet's son, Ibrahim, born of Miriyah (May Allah be pleased with her) had occurred in the tenth year of Hijra. The Ahadith clearly prove that weeping over a loved one's death is permissible. But it should be void of wailing.

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[samar]

Re: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has forbidden crying out loud and wailing over the dead person

Dear Samar,

tahir-ul-qadri is a famous disputed personality through out the Muslim world. unfortunately, he has failed the test of Quraan and hadeeths.

My point is that an unknown scholar can build his / her credibility by acting and preaching according to Quraan and authentic Hadeeth. Unfortunately, tahir-ul-qadri has lost his credibility.

May Allah give hidayat to this deviated nation of Pakistan (Aameen)

abb ore munafikat na dikhao ......................