Iran Offered Cheap Electricity To Pakistan

anyie1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Electricity now in Pakistan is @ Rs 11 per unit; and it will increase every two months as per American IMF policies. IRAN has offered to provide electricity on urgent basis to Pakistan @ Rs. 1.18 per unit!!
China has offered electricity for just Rs. 300/Month/Household with unlimited usage of electricity!!!
But our government (Particularly Zardari) has refused these offer and is deliberately making it worse. This is the time to show the govt. our strength. Please spread this message to all and let people know about the options and why these goons want to keep this nation in dark.
Please wake up for our Survival and help this poor country.

 

zeshaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Cheap electrucity for poor pakistan

Bhai aap koo shayad maaloom na hoo,iss deal main koi kommission naheen milay gaa inn chooroon koo.
 

khanpanni

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Cheap electrucity for poor pakistan

Bro, I dont favour Mr. Zardari but you havent said how this cheap electricity will come from Iran or China to Pakistan ?

Do you have immediate solution for this problem ? People gave solar and wind energy tips. But we need ultimate solution and that is through

the constructions of Dams. Only big dams can produce energy that is why( Basha Dam) project will be started soon according to the newspapers.

They should construct Kalabag Dam also. But in the present circumstances we have to cope with the militancy only. Allah will help us, Inshallah.

Please click the underneath link and enjoy the videos about Dams including the music of Nustat Fataih Ali Khan and improve the knowledge .

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...s-with-musick-Importance-of-dams-for-Pakistan.
 

Imavailable

MPA (400+ posts)
We have received such spam emails showing we are offered cheap electricity from China and Iran...
But where is the source...................................................????
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Electricity situation

I received the email from a friend in Pakistan and I am sharing this with all of you. I am not sure if the numbers given in the email are 100% correct but it seems that there is desperation on this issue back home.

I support the move.

Attention: All Pakistanis: Please don't stop sending this message!


We want Electricity in Pakistan, Electricity now is @ Rs 11 per unit; and it will increase every two months as per American IMF policies.

IRAN offers to provide the electricity on urgent basis to Pakistan @ Rs. 1.18 per unit!!

CHINA offers electricity for just Rs. 300/Month/Household with unlimited usage of electricity!!!


But our government is deliberately making it worse.


NOW THIS IS OUR TIME TO SHOW THE GOVERNMENT OUR STRENGTH.
PLEASE SPREAD THIS MESSAGE TO ALL, LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE OPTIONS.


Please wake up for our Survival, depends on our standing up!!
Helpless Pakistanis ..!
 

Monis

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: Electricity situation

If that’s the case then there should be a campaign for it including people from each walk of life to pressurize this Govt to except both or any 1 offer (in my opinion China’s offer is better). There should be a flood of text messages on the phones of media personnel, MNA’s, PMA’s, Govt employees.
 

ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Electricity situation

This govt. is just a puppet, The satanic system which is behind this govt in the form of IMF, American viceroys (British viceroys are now replaced by Americans) are the main policy makers. They have a strong hold of our country , breaking their system is not an easy job, as Allama Iqbal said

9.GIF



Only with the help of God and the will of True believers can break this.

9.GIF
 

GraanG2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Electricity situation

I don't think the china offer one is correct...Cos I have spent quite some time in china and they don't give unlimited electricity even to their own people...But I am sure the electricity they offer will be much much cheaper anyway...But the problem is that the pakistani leaders won't make money of it then...

But I personally don't like the idea of buying cheaper electricity,cos we have more than enough resources in our own country which can not only provide enough energy in the country but we can provide to other countries as well...But that needs a sincere person and some investment...But everybody knows that the current so called leaders wont do that.

One other reason for the leaders not providing electricity to the people is a funny reason but worth a thought...and that is that if electricity is provided and there is no loadshedding,the people will sit in the cold air of fan or AC and start thinking about other major problems like corruptions and other illegal things done by these corrupt leaders...People will have access to media 24/7 and they will be exposed....anyway thats just my funny thought.
 
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behzadji

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Electricity situation

I don't think the china offer one is correct...Cos I have spent quite some time in china and they don't give unlimited electricity even to their own people...But I am sure the electricity they offer will be much much cheaper anyway...But the problem is that the pakistani leaders won't make money of it then...

But I personally don't like the idea of buying cheaper electricity,cos we have more than enough resources in our own country which can not only provide enough energy in the country but we can provide to other countries as well...But that needs a sincere person and some investment...But everybody knows that the current so called leaders wont do that.

One other reason for the leaders not providing electricity to the people is a funny reason but worth a thought...and that is that if electricity is provided and there is no loadshedding,the people will sit in the cold air of fan or AC and start thinking about other major problems like corruptions and other illegal things done by these corrupt leaders...People will have access to media 24/7 and they will be exposed....anyway thats just my funny thought.

but who will brell the cat????
 

forzeb

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Electricity situation

We the Public.InshaAllah.

خدانےآج تک اس قوم کی حالت نہیں بدلی
نہ ہو جن کو خیال اپنی حالت آپ بدلنے کا
you need to wake up first to do this but extremly sorry to say that for last 64 years real pakistanis are sleeping and i do not have a clue how much more time they will take to wake up.
 

jaanmark

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Electricity situation

IRAN offers to provide the electricity on urgent basis to Pakistan @ Rs. 1.18 per unit!! Our business friend offer

CHINA offers electricity for just Rs. 300/Month/Household with unlimited usage of electricity!!! Our 2ndbusiness friend

why this simple market rule ,buy where is the best price offer available . Where is our freedom of choice gone??

First of all we do not need monopole in this sector , any public sector , world is global why should not a Pakistani . can buy and sell any item.

Kick off ,burn-down ,make them ( zaradri +++++++ all level of thinking people) or simple way .

formed and real independent election commission and ISSUES base parties should participle public election in the result we have happy Pakistan ,
BUT media must show the right highlight on all the issues with out making the money from those killer of Pakistan also.

Allah help us to right path Amine



 

Pathfinder

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Electricity situation

Sorry for saying this but i want to add this on basis that we should mend our fences with Iran because there multiple benefits economically which cannot be imagined but our sell out rulers are bent on getting electricity from india who cannot even fulfil their own demand but will sell us it none the less.
 

saeed khan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Electricity situation

I don't think the china offer one is correct...Cos I have spent quite some time in china and they don't give unlimited electricity even to their own people...But I am sure the electricity they offer will be much much cheaper anyway...But the problem is that the pakistani leaders won't make money of it then...

But I personally don't like the idea of buying cheaper electricity,cos we have more than enough resources in our own country which can not only provide enough energy in the country but we can provide to other countries as well...But that needs a sincere person and some investment...But everybody knows that the current so called leaders wont do that.

One other reason for the leaders not providing electricity to the people is a funny reason but worth a thought...and that is that if electricity is provided and there is no loadshedding,the people will sit in the cold air of fan or AC and start thinking about other major problems like corruptions and other illegal things done by these corrupt leaders...People will have access to media 24/7 and they will be exposed....anyway thats just my funny thought.

Hi GraanG2

I agree with you, once in an interview MD PEPCO Tahir Bisharat Cheema said that China has never ever offered this electricity package.
 

rakeem

Senator (1k+ posts)
No need to score points for your paymasters Iran, that blames every problem of theirs' on us, and probably the only muslim country that supported India and blocked the resolution in OIC in 1995/96 that damaged Pak's Kashmir stand forever. For your kind info. Iran does provide electricity to some districts on the border like Gwadar, and it is'nt cheap it is pretty expensive. And before the Iranians, China and Tajikistan had offered electricity, of more than 1000 MW during Musharraf era when it was possible and then renewed the offer when Tajik pres. visited Islamabad, when Iranian ambassador put this offer he very much knew, the thugs in govt. will never take it, that is why they put it , they were playing it to the gallery for cheap populism politics, this is what Iran is all about. Iran took years and fought on every penny for the gas pipeline, which is still more than 5 years away, after all the paperwork is done. Even if Iran is sincere, it will take another 5 or more than that years to complete their bloody paperwork in one of the world's most corrupt bureaucracies[or mullahcracy].
 
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mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No need to score points for your paymasters Iran, that blames every problem of theirs' on us, and probably the only muslim country that supported India and blocked the resolution in OIC in 1995/96 that damaged Pak's Kashmir stand forever. For your kind info. Iran does provide electricity to some districts on the border like Gwadar, and it is'nt cheap it is pretty expensive. And before the Iranians, China and Tajikistan had offered electricity, of more than 1000 MW during Musharraf era when it was possible and then renewed the offer when Tajik pres. visited Islamabad, when Iranian ambassador put this offer he very much knew, the thugs in govt. will never take it, that is why they put it , they were playing it to the gallery for cheap populism politics, this is what Iran is all about. Iran took years and fought on every penny for the gas pipeline, which is still more than 5 years away, after all the paperwork is done. Even if Iran is sincere, it will take another 5 or more than that years to complete their bloody paperwork in one of the world's most corrupt bureaucracies[or mullahcracy].

مجھے افسوس ہے کہ آپ ایران کے متعلق اتنے شدید خیالات رکھتے ہیں۔ کچھ گنجائش نکالیے کہ بات اتنی انتہا پر نہ پہنچے۔

کشمیر کے معاملے میں ایران کی حمایت شروع دن سے کشمیر کے عوام (مسلمان) کے حق میں رہی ہے۔ آپ اس لنک پر ایران اور کشمیر کے متعلق رپورٹ پڑھ سکتے ہیں۔ (نوائے وقت کی رپورٹ یہ ہے)

آپ پاکستان کے علاوہ کسی دوسرے ملک سے کشمیر کے معاملے میں اس سے زیادہ سپورٹ کی توقع نہیں کر سکتے ہیں۔ باقی آپ کو اپنے الزام پر قائم رہنا ہے تو یہ الگ بات ہے، مگر یقین جانیے کہ عرب مسلم ممالک ہوں یا پھر ترکی یا صدام حسین۔۔۔ ان میں سے کسی نے کمشیر پر پاکستان کی اتنی حمایت نہیں کی ہے جتنی کہ ایران نے کی ہے۔ بلکہ چین نے بھی کمشیر کے معاملے میں ایران سے کم حمایت کی ہے۔

آپکا یہ الزام بھی فقط "قیاس" پر مبنی ہے کہ ایران نے پاکستان کو کم قیمت پر گیس کی فراہمی کی آفر اس لیے کی کیونکہ اسے یقین تھا کہ پاکستان کے کرپٹ لیڈر یہ آفر قبول نہیں کریں گے چنانچہ ایران نے فقط سستی شہرت حاصل کرنے کے لیے یہ آفر کی۔ برا نہ مانیے گا، مگر ایسے قیاسات ہی "سازشی تھیوریوں" کی ماں ہوتے ہیں۔ حالات کا صحیح تجزیہ یہ ہے کہ:۔

۔۱۔ پاکستان کو اس وقت بجلی کی اشد اشد ضرورت ہے۔

۔۲۔ ایران میں پچھلے دو تین سالوں میں بجلی اور ڈیمز کے بہت سے پراجیکٹ مکمل ہوئے ہیں جس کی وجہ سے آج ایران میں بجلی انکی اپنی ضرورت سے بہت زائد مقدار میں موجود ہے اور وہ اس سال اس پوزیشن میں ہیں کہ یہ وافر بجلی ایکسپورٹ کر سکیں۔

۔۳۔ امریکی اور عالمی پابندیوں کی وجہ سے ایران اپنی مارکیٹ آج بڑھانا چاہ رہا ہے اور تنہائی سے نکلنا چاہ رہا ہے، اور اسکا ایک اچھا طریقہ پڑوسی ممالک سے تجارت میں اضافہ ہے۔ پاکستان سے تجارت میں تو کوئی خاص اضافہ نہیں ہوا ہے، مگر ترکی کی حکومت چونکہ ایسی کرپٹ نہیں جیسی پاکستان کی ہے، اس لیے ایران اور ترکی کے مابین تجارت پانچ چھ ارب ڈالر کے قریب پہنچ چکی ہے اور اس میں کئی گنا اضافہ کی پیشن گوئی ہے۔

پھر آپ نے الزام لگایا تھا کہ ایران نے گیس کی قیمت کم نہیں کی جس کی وجہ سے ڈیل میں دیر ہوئی۔ تو آپ کو علم ہونا چاہیے کہ ایران نے گیس کی قیمت عالمی منڈی کی قیمت سے کہیں کم آفر کی تھی، مگر پاکسان اور بھارت دونوں مل کر ایران کو گیس کی قیمت پر بلیک میل کرنا چاہ رہے تھے اور انہوں عالمی منڈی سے پانچ گنا زیادہ کم قیمت کی بولی لگائی۔ انکا خیال تھا کہ امریکی پابندیوں سے گھبرا کر ایران انکی بلیک میلنگ میں آ جائے گا۔ ایران میں انکے اس طرز عمل پر شدید ردعمل بھی ہوا کہ پہلے ہی عالمی منڈی سے کہیں کم قیمت پر گیس سپلائی کی آفر کی گئی ہے، اور اس پر بھی یہ بلیک میلنگ۔ چنانچہ ایران نے انڈیا اور پاکستان کی مقرر کردہ قیمت کو رد کر دیا۔ اس چیز کو آپ ایران کا ناقابل معافی گناہ قرار دے کر انہیں مطعون کرنا شروع کر دیں تو آپ کی مرضی، مگر یہ بہرحال انصاف کی بات نہیں ہے۔ کسی کو بلیک میل کرنے کی بجائے بہتر ہے کہ دوست بنایا جائے اور برابری کی سطح پر جگہ دی جائے، نہ کسی کا حق کھایا جائے اور نہ کسی کو اپنا حق کھانے دیا جائے۔

آپ نے اگلا الزام لگایا ہے کہ ایران نے گیس پائپ لائن کا پراجیکٹ دیر کرتے ہوئے کئی سال لگا دیے اور مزید کئی سال پائپ لائن مکمل کرنے پر لگا دے گا۔ یہ بھی آپ کے پاس غلط انفارمیشن ہے کیونکہ ایران نے اپنی سرحد کے اندر مقررہ وقت سے کہیں قبل پائپ لائن مکمل کر لی ہے اور یہ فقط پاکستانی حکومت ہے جو اپنی نااہلی کی وجہ سے پاکستانی سرحد میں پائپ لائن مکمل نہیں کر سکی ہے۔ یہاں پر تو ایران کو وقت سے پہلے پائپ لائن مکمل کرنے پر کریڈٹ ملنا چاہیے تھا، مگر الٹا ان کو مطعون کیا جا رہا ہے۔

دیکھئیے، آپ ان باتوں کا برا نہ منائیے گا۔ میرا مقصد آپ کو غلط ثابت کرنا نہیں ہے بلکہ آپ کی اصلاح کرنا ہے۔
 

rakeem

Senator (1k+ posts)
No surprise, we are reaping what we have sown, since 1979 we have been tolerating Iranian activities and their relations with Pakistani shias, and this member is the bloody result. The Iranian consulates' activities in different Pakistani cities are bearing fruit and they've been able to use the shia religious elements to brainwash and push their thinking[based in Qom] into different areas of the world. They have reduced the namaaz and increased the amount of ritual practices like voicing political stands.Regarding the Pak shia community,
They live in Pakistan, eat of Pakistan, enjoy different priveleges of Pakistan and promote, and defend Iran. If tomorrow someone attacks Pakistan, than Iran will "airlift" all the shias incl. this member to their country, hehehe. Iran, Saudi Arabia all are brothers to their interests only, you'll be stuck with the same sunnis whose beliefs' you abuse daily.
But we are'nt Pakistani citizens anymore, we are all agents of different countries albeit US,Iran,Saudi Arabia, India, etc. who gives a damn about Pak's interests.
You seem to be an expert on Iran, and you mite have counted the no.of dams and electricity projects by hand, unfortunately in your blind belief system, you don't even the know the 90% of dams and projects incl. refineries were not built by mullahs but by the Shah of Iran till the 70s. The mullahcracy is one of the most corrupt bureaucracies in existence, Iran has had more food inflation thanx to these mullahs and the stagnant economy and economic isolation which they complain about is also their own fault. They use shia religion for the purpose of keeping all the ethnicities[Azeri,Farsi,etc.] together and to hide behind it to do their corruption.
As Iran is such a "heaven on earth" please spare of us of your stupidity and go ahead and live there, being a Paki citizen unfortunately you'll have to get a visa, to visit there, whose interests you're defending.
Also start your "islaah" from Iran, where sunnis[Turkomen,Kurd,Balochi] are persecuted, and sunnis are'nt allowed to build a mosque or voice the azaan in shia majority areas like the urban cities [Tehran,Shiraz,Isfahan], probably seeing their plight you mite be more grateful for the freedoms you have here and getting preferential treatment occupying every bloody post from the president to the Chief of Air staff, to major businesses, or you'd be happy for Iranians[in your Taqiyyah] to keep up the "pressure" to convert the remaining sunnis into shias. Regarding Iran's role on Kashmir eat this Irani agent:


The Rediff Special/M K Bhadrakumar

Revealed: What Iran did for India and why it is hurt

October 03, 2005

Strikingly similar to the crisis that Iran faced at the IAEA Board meeting in Vienna last weekend, India too found itself in a tight spot in April 1994 at the United Nations Human Rights Commission's annual session in Geneva.
Curiously, India and Iran found themselves entangled with each other then too, as of now -- but with an entirely different body language.
If there is a Shakespearean touch to the sense of betrayal that Iran is so evidently harbouring today over India's vote against it at Vienna, how much of that harks back to silent memories of what had transpired between the two countries in 1994, we shall never quite know.
Persians may find it to be in bad taste to be blunt and forthright on such delicate issues as trust and betrayal.
In April 1994, when the UNHRC was assembling in Geneva, India faced an ugly situation. We were just pulling out of a grave economic crisis (of our own making, though) and were extremely vulnerable to the goodwill of international financial institutions.
More importantly, the Kashmir valley was burning -- witnessing some of the bloodiest violence in its unhappy history. The country itself was panting and heaving from the bloodletting of communal violence -- hidden medieval passions were tearing it apart.
Back in 1994, India was not yet possessed with the swagger and all-knowing cockiness of its current middle class optimism -- or, for that matter, its frightening pragmatism that is determined to make every relationship outright profitable.
Internationally too, the climate was uncertain. Boris Yeltsin's Russia was lurching toward the West in drunken stupor, and there was a big question mark as to the availability of a 'Soviet' veto if the Kashmir file ever again got reopened in the UN's business dealings.
Technically, if the UNHRC in Geneva adopted a resolution condemning India for grave human rights violations in Jammu and Kashmir, a pathway would have opened for any of India's detractors (not only Pakistan) for referral of the 'Kashmir problem' to the UN in New York. The crisis was comparable to what could happen today if the IAEA indeed decided on a UN Security Council referral apropos of the Iran's 'nuclear problem.'
The assessment in the foreign policy establishment in Delhi at that time was that in the event of the Kashmir resolution coming up in Geneva, it had a strong possibility of getting adopted.
The draft resolution enjoyed the support of the 54-member states of the Organisation of Islamic conference and possibly some faraway countries in the Western world. Of course, Pakistan was its prime mover.
>Thus it was that on a cold wind swept morning in late March in 1994 with the Elbruz Mountain still wrapped in sheets of snow that an Indian military plane landed in Teheran airport bearing the then Indian external affairs minister Dinesh Singh and three accompanying officials from Delhi as his co-passengers.
The minister was visiting Iran to deliver in person an urgent letter from Prime Minister P V Narasimha Rao addressed to Iranian President, Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani. Rao was seeking Iran's last-minute intervention at the OIC with a view to ensuring that the Kashmir resolution did not pass through the UNHRC.
The OIC (like the IAEA) too had a convention that all decisions had to be arrived at through consensus. So, Rao shrewdly assessed that if a prominent OIC member like Iran were to abstain, there would be no 'consensus.' Rao was greatly averse to Dinesh Singh undertaking the mission, as the minister was seriously ill from the multiple strokes he had suffered a few months ago.
But Dinesh Singh ("Raja Saheb") would have no one else undertake such a crucial mission -- and Rao reluctantly gave in. Sadly, that also happened to be the last mission undertaken by Dinesh Singh in a diplomatic career spread over five decades.
In fact, after one look at Dinesh Singh alighting from the aircraft, Iranian Foreign Minister Dr Ali Akbar Velayati, who was waiting at the tarmac, impulsively asked what on earth could be of such momentous importance for the minister to undertake such a perilous journey in such a poor state of health.
Dinesh Singh went through his 'Kashmir brief' diligently through the day's meetings with his Iranian interlocutors -� apart from Dr Velayati, President Rafsanjani and the Speaker of the Iranian Majlis Nateq-Nouri. The Iranian side politely noted the minister's demarche.
All in all, the business was transacted in a matter of 6 or 7 hours. Dinesh Singh left immediately for the airport for his return journey.
As he was emplaning, Dr Velayati who had come to the airport, reached out and holding Dinesh Singh's hands together in his, said: 'Ali Hashemi (President Rafsanjani) wanted me to convey his assurance to Prime Minister Rao that Iran will do all it can to ensure that no harm comes to India.'
After the plane took off, Dinesh Singh and his three co-passengers pondered over the import of what Velayati said. Did it mean that Iran would get the OIC resolution watered down? Or, would the resolution leave out any outright condemnation of India that attracted the UN's wrath?
It took 72 anxious hours more for Delhi to realise that instead of a halfway solution, Iran went ahead with surgical skill and literally killed the OIC move to table the resolution at a UN forum. We heard later that as the Pakistani ambassador sought to move the OIC resolution, his Iranian counterpart in Geneva acted on directives from Teheran and made an intervention.
He said that for Iran, both Pakistan and India were close friends, and Iran would be loathe to the idea that problems between friends could not be sorted out between the two of them, and needed instead to be raised at an international forum.
That was the last time that Pakistan sought to get a resolution over Kashmir issue tabled at a UN forum.
Thus, when the head of Iran's National Security Council, Ali Larijani said last Tuesday with a palpable sense of hurt: 'India was our friend. We did not expect India to do so' -- he would have had much more in mind than the 'shock and awe' that India administered to Iran last weekend at Vienna.
Larijani's erudite mind could not have missed the dramatic irony of it all -- that Teheran should have salvaged India's day at the OIC 11 years ago, and Delhi having a sudden, unexplained, inexplicable memory lapse in the IAEA.
And, on both occasions, it boiled down to how to kill a mocking bird -- how to keep a festering wound from being prised away for therapy in distant New York.
M K Bhadrakumar is a former Indian ambassador with extensive experience in handling India's relations with Iran



http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/oct/03spec1.htm
 
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mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No surprise, we are reaping what we have sown, since 1979 we have been tolerating Iranian activities and their relations with Pakistani shias, and this member is the bloody result. The Iranian consulates' activities in different Pakistani cities are bearing fruit and they've been able to use the shia religious elements to brainwash and push their thinking[based in Qom] into different areas of the world. They have reduced the namaaz and increased the amount of ritual practices like voicing political stands.Regarding the Pak shia community,
They live in Pakistan, eat of Pakistan, enjoy different priveleges of Pakistan and promote, and defend Iran. If tomorrow someone attacks Pakistan, than Iran will "airlift" all the shias incl. this member to their country, hehehe. Iran, Saudi Arabia all are brothers to their interests only, you'll be stuck with the same sunnis whose beliefs' you abuse daily.
But we are'nt Pakistani citizens anymore, we are all agents of different countries albeit US,Iran,Saudi Arabia, India, etc. who gives a damn about Pak's interests.
You seem to be an expert on Iran, and you mite have counted the no.of dams and electricity projects by hand, unfortunately in your blind belief system, you don't even the know the 90% of dams and projects incl. refineries were not built by mullahs but by the Shah of Iran till the 70s. The mullahcracy is one of the most corrupt bureaucracies in existence, Iran has had more food inflation thanx to these mullahs and the stagnant economy and economic isolation which they complain about is also their own fault. They use shia religion for the purpose of keeping all the ethnicities[Azeri,Farsi,etc.] together and to hide behind it to do their corruption.
As Iran is such a "heaven on earth" please spare of us of your stupidity and go ahead and live there, being a Paki citizen unfortunately you'll have to get a visa, to visit there, whose interests you're defending.
Also start your "islaah" from Iran, where sunnis[Turkomen,Kurd,Balochi] are persecuted, and sunnis are'nt allowed to build a mosque or voice the azaan in shia majority areas like the urban cities [Tehran,Shiraz,Isfahan], probably seeing their plight you mite be more grateful for the freedoms you have here and getting preferential treatment occupying every bloody post from the president to the Chief of Air staff, to major businesses, or you'd be happy for Iranians[in your Taqiyyah] to keep up the "pressure" to convert the remaining sunnis into shias. Regarding Iran's role on Kashmir eat this Irani agent:


The Rediff Special/M K Bhadrakumar

Revealed: What Iran did for India and why it is hurt

October 03, 2005

Strikingly similar to the crisis that Iran faced at the IAEA Board meeting in Vienna last weekend, India too found itself in a tight spot in April 1994 at the United Nations Human Rights Commission's annual session in Geneva.
Curiously, India and Iran found themselves entangled with each other then too, as of now -- but with an entirely different body language.
If there is a Shakespearean touch to the sense of betrayal that Iran is so evidently harbouring today over India's vote against it at Vienna, how much of that harks back to silent memories of what had transpired between the two countries in 1994, we shall never quite know.
Persians may find it to be in bad taste to be blunt and forthright on such delicate issues as trust and betrayal.
In April 1994, when the UNHRC was assembling in Geneva, India faced an ugly situation. We were just pulling out of a grave economic crisis (of our own making, though) and were extremely vulnerable to the goodwill of international financial institutions.
More importantly, the Kashmir valley was burning -- witnessing some of the bloodiest violence in its unhappy history. The country itself was panting and heaving from the bloodletting of communal violence -- hidden medieval passions were tearing it apart.
Back in 1994, India was not yet possessed with the swagger and all-knowing cockiness of its current middle class optimism -- or, for that matter, its frightening pragmatism that is determined to make every relationship outright profitable.
Internationally too, the climate was uncertain. Boris Yeltsin's Russia was lurching toward the West in drunken stupor, and there was a big question mark as to the availability of a 'Soviet' veto if the Kashmir file ever again got reopened in the UN's business dealings.
Technically, if the UNHRC in Geneva adopted a resolution condemning India for grave human rights violations in Jammu and Kashmir, a pathway would have opened for any of India's detractors (not only Pakistan) for referral of the 'Kashmir problem' to the UN in New York. The crisis was comparable to what could happen today if the IAEA indeed decided on a UN Security Council referral apropos of the Iran's 'nuclear problem.'
The assessment in the foreign policy establishment in Delhi at that time was that in the event of the Kashmir resolution coming up in Geneva, it had a strong possibility of getting adopted.
The draft resolution enjoyed the support of the 54-member states of the Organisation of Islamic conference and possibly some faraway countries in the Western world. Of course, Pakistan was its prime mover.
>Thus it was that on a cold wind swept morning in late March in 1994 with the Elbruz Mountain still wrapped in sheets of snow that an Indian military plane landed in Teheran airport bearing the then Indian external affairs minister Dinesh Singh and three accompanying officials from Delhi as his co-passengers.
The minister was visiting Iran to deliver in person an urgent letter from Prime Minister P V Narasimha Rao addressed to Iranian President, Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani. Rao was seeking Iran's last-minute intervention at the OIC with a view to ensuring that the Kashmir resolution did not pass through the UNHRC.
The OIC (like the IAEA) too had a convention that all decisions had to be arrived at through consensus. So, Rao shrewdly assessed that if a prominent OIC member like Iran were to abstain, there would be no 'consensus.' Rao was greatly averse to Dinesh Singh undertaking the mission, as the minister was seriously ill from the multiple strokes he had suffered a few months ago.
But Dinesh Singh ("Raja Saheb") would have no one else undertake such a crucial mission -- and Rao reluctantly gave in. Sadly, that also happened to be the last mission undertaken by Dinesh Singh in a diplomatic career spread over five decades.
In fact, after one look at Dinesh Singh alighting from the aircraft, Iranian Foreign Minister Dr Ali Akbar Velayati, who was waiting at the tarmac, impulsively asked what on earth could be of such momentous importance for the minister to undertake such a perilous journey in such a poor state of health.
Dinesh Singh went through his 'Kashmir brief' diligently through the day's meetings with his Iranian interlocutors -� apart from Dr Velayati, President Rafsanjani and the Speaker of the Iranian Majlis Nateq-Nouri. The Iranian side politely noted the minister's demarche.
All in all, the business was transacted in a matter of 6 or 7 hours. Dinesh Singh left immediately for the airport for his return journey.
As he was emplaning, Dr Velayati who had come to the airport, reached out and holding Dinesh Singh's hands together in his, said: 'Ali Hashemi (President Rafsanjani) wanted me to convey his assurance to Prime Minister Rao that Iran will do all it can to ensure that no harm comes to India.'
After the plane took off, Dinesh Singh and his three co-passengers pondered over the import of what Velayati said. Did it mean that Iran would get the OIC resolution watered down? Or, would the resolution leave out any outright condemnation of India that attracted the UN's wrath?
It took 72 anxious hours more for Delhi to realise that instead of a halfway solution, Iran went ahead with surgical skill and literally killed the OIC move to table the resolution at a UN forum. We heard later that as the Pakistani ambassador sought to move the OIC resolution, his Iranian counterpart in Geneva acted on directives from Teheran and made an intervention.
He said that for Iran, both Pakistan and India were close friends, and Iran would be loathe to the idea that problems between friends could not be sorted out between the two of them, and needed instead to be raised at an international forum.
That was the last time that Pakistan sought to get a resolution over Kashmir issue tabled at a UN forum.
Thus, when the head of Iran's National Security Council, Ali Larijani said last Tuesday with a palpable sense of hurt: 'India was our friend. We did not expect India to do so' -- he would have had much more in mind than the 'shock and awe' that India administered to Iran last weekend at Vienna.
Larijani's erudite mind could not have missed the dramatic irony of it all -- that Teheran should have salvaged India's day at the OIC 11 years ago, and Delhi having a sudden, unexplained, inexplicable memory lapse in the IAEA.
And, on both occasions, it boiled down to how to kill a mocking bird -- how to keep a festering wound from being prised away for therapy in distant New York.
M K Bhadrakumar is a former Indian ambassador with extensive experience in handling India's relations with Iran



http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/oct/03spec1.htm


وہ ہی ہوا جس کا مجھے ڈر تھا کہ بجائے نصیحت حاصل کرنے کے آپ اپنے غصے اور نفرت میں اور بھڑک اٹھیں گے۔

میں جو حقائق اوپر پیش کیے ہیں، ان میں سے کسی ایک کا جواب بھی دلیل سے دینے کی بجائے آپ نے اندھا دھند شیعہ مذہب پر الزام بازیاں شروع کر دیں۔ کیا اچھا ہوتا کہ آپ قرآن کی پیروی کرتے جو کہتا ہے کہ دلیل لاو اگر تم سچے ہو۔

میری آپ کو نصیحت یہ ہی ہے کہ بجائے پوری پاکستانی شیعہ کمیونٹی کو غدار اور ایران کا ایجنت اور برا بھلا کہنے کے، آپ کے لیے بہتر ہے کہ آپ اپنی اصلاح پر توجہ دیں اور آپ کے دل میں جو اللہ جانے کہاں سے اتنی نفرتیں بھر گئی ہیں، ان نفرتوں کا علاج کیجئے۔

ایران میں اہلسنت برداران کی مساجد کے اوپر میں تفصیلی حقائق دو مرتبہ یہاں پیش کر چکی ہوں، مگر ایڈمن حضرات ہر دفعہ اسے ڈیلیٹ فرما دیتے ہیں۔ چنانچہ معذرت کہ میں اسکا جواب مزید نہیں پیش کر سکتی۔ ہاں اگر آپ چاہیں تو آپ کو ذاتی پیغام کے ذریعے بھیج سکتی ہوں۔

باقی آپ نے طعنہ دیا ہے کہ مجھے ایران کے متعلق کچھ علم نہیں کہ ڈیمز کب بنیں ہیں۔ میں آپ کو یقین دلاتی ہوں کہ مجھے ایران کے متعلق آپ سے زیادہ علم ہے کہ شاہ کے دور میں کیا حالت تھی اور آج کیا حالات ہیں اور سائنس و ٹیکنالوجی میں ایران نے کتنی ترقی کی ہے۔ اگر پھر بھی آپ کو دعوی ہے کہ آپ کو زیادہ علم ہے تو آپ اپنی دلیل لے آئیے اور لوگوں کو فیصلہ کرنے دیں کہ کون صحیح ہے اور کون غلط۔

اور آپ کا آخری اعتراض کہ او آئی سی میں ایران کی وجہ سے کشمیر ایشو ختم ہو گیا، تو اطلاع کے لیے عرض ہے کہ او آئی سی میں ایران کا کوئی اتنا اثر و رسوخ نہیں ہے کہ وہ کسی ایشو کو تن تنہا ختم کرا دے۔ ایران کے مقابلے میں پوری عرب لیگ او آئی سی میں موجود ہوتی ہے اور اسکا اثر و رسوخ ایران کی نسبت کہیں زیادہ ہے۔ اور پاکستان بذات خود انتہائی عزت کی نظر سے دیکھا جاتا ہے اور اسکا اپنا ایک اثر ہے۔ آپ پھر بھی اپنے الزامات پر الزامات لگانے پر تلے ہوئے ہیں اور ایران کو مکمل طور پر مورد الزام ٹہرانے پر تلے ہوئے ہیں، مگر حقیقت یہ ہی ہے کہ پوری دنیا میں پاکستان کے بعد کشمیر ایشو پر سب سے زیادہ آواز ایران نے ہی اٹھائی ہے۔ ہو سکتا ہے کہ ایران سو فیصد کشمیر ایشو پر پاکستان کے ساتھ نہ ہو، مگر پوری دنیا میں کوئی بھی اس معاملے میں پاکستان کا ساتھ نہیں دے رہا ہے بشمول چائنہ کے۔ میں تو فقط آپ کی غلطی کی اشارہ کر رہی ہوں جہاں آپ جذبات میں آ کر حماقت کی حدیں چھونے لگے ہیں۔ اس طرح کے جذباتی طرز عمل سے آپ پاکستان کو صرف اور صرف نقصان ہی پہنچائیں گے اور پاکستان کے حق میں کوئی اچھائی نہیں کر سکیں گے۔ ہمیں پاکستان کے لیے دوست ڈھونڈنے ہیں نہ کہ پوری کی پوری دنیا کو اپنا دشمن بنا لینا ہے بشمول ایران اور چین کے۔ اللہ کرے کہ آپ گرم دماغ کی بجائے ٹھنڈے دل و دماغ سے سوچیں اور فیصلے کریں۔ امین۔