India's Mars mission is a publicity stunt: Isro ex-chief Madhavan Nair

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
India's Mars mission is a publicity stunt: Isro ex-chief Madhavan Nair
PTI Jul 24, 2013, 04.10PM IST


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BANGALORE: India's 'Moon Man' has contested Isro's contention that the upcoming 'desi' Mars orbiter mission would undertake meaningful research, and dubbed the Rs 450 crore venture as a "publicity stunt".


"Isro is embarking on an extravagant mission which at best can serve as a publicity stunt", G Madhavan Nair, a former chief of the Bangalore-headquartered Indian Space Research Organisation, told PTI here.






The country was facing an acute shortage of communication transporters, noted Nair during whose tenure of six years as Isro chairman and secretary in the department of space, 25 successful space missions were accomplished, including India's maiden moon venture Chandrayaan-I.


Isro should have solved this issue by following the K Kasturirangan Committee recommendation, he argued.


"Even if the launch takes place, it will be yet another PSLV launch only. One has to wait nearly eight months before anything of Mars is heard. This is an issue which needs a serious review by the scientific community", Nair said.


According to him, GSLV was the vehicle identified because it could take a respectable satellite of nearly 1,800 kg. This could have provided more than a dozen instruments on board and the spacecraft would have been placed in a near circular orbit for a meaningful remote sensing mission of Mars.


"But what is the fate of the much hyped Mars Orbiter Mission (Isro's mars mission as conceived now) - there were delays in solving the problems of GSLV so a study was undertaken see what can be done with PSLV. Nearly 1,500 kg satellite can be taken to Mars, but due to fuel limitation it could at best be placed in an elliptical orbit of 380km perigee and 80,000 km apogee. No one would attempt a resource survey or mapping mission with such widely varying altitudes", Nair said.


Isro chairman K Radhakrishnan told PTI recently the Mars mission would undertaken meaningful research.


The primary objectives of the mission, according to Isro, are to demonstrate India's technological capability to send a satellite to orbit around Mars and conduct meaningful experiments such as looking for signs of life, take pictures of the red planet and study Martian environment.


Isro is going to start in August first week the assembly of PSLV-C25, the rocket on board of which the Mars orbiter would be launched any day between October 21 and November 7.


Elaborating further, Nair said though there was an initial estimate of 25 kg for the scientific instruments, on detailed analysis provision it was reduced to a meagre 14 kg. This may further come down.


As it stands today, there could be just five instruments a Mars Colour camera (MCC) to take pictures of Mars; Mass Methane Sensor (MMS) to study the amount and origin of Methane on Mars; Lyman Alpha Photometer (LAP), to study the ratio of Hydrogen and Deuterium on Mars; Mars Exosphere Neutral Composition Analyser (MENCA), to study Martian atmosphere AND Thermal Infrared Imaging Spectrometer (TIS).


"Constraints on mass are likely to reduce these payloads," he said. "With such skeletal instruments on board a spacecraft travelling at altitudes varying from 380 and 80,000 km what meaningful science can be done is a big question mark. This is exactly a case of cutting the head to suit the hat," he contended.




Nair said in Chandrayaan-I when the number of instruments had to be increased, the propulsive power of PSLV was enhanced whereas for Mars Orbiter Mission the desired rocket was not available and the spacecraft was curtailed to an insignificant size.


"Not only that, many of the sub-systems of (the proposed) Chandrayan-2 were cannibalised for the Mars Mission delaying the more meaningful Chandrayan-2. Chandrayan-2 may take place in 2016 or beyond. China is going with similar mission to moon later this year, not to Mars," he said.


"Mission to Mars is claimed to be complex and challenging. No one familiar with orbital mechanics will appreciate this. The sequence for Mars Mission is identical from the earth's orbit. It will be catapulted on path which will reach near moon or Mars. It may take five days to Moon and eight months to Mars because of the long distance. One has to wait and watch and nothing significant needs to be done during this long wait."

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...iter-mission-chandrayaan-i-mars-colour-camera
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Although we appreciate and applaud India for launching a PSLV vehicle into space, this is nothing new from a technology perspective. As the former Isro Chief says that the publicity stunt could have been avoided and the money could have been spent on something more original like the Toilet Crisis, food issues etc...

Our message of peace and love as always :)
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Bharat itself is a hoax and biggest stunt of all:lol: I am not jealous appreciating human intelligence. If the mission is successfully completed with the return of the orbiter having gathered invaluable information then I will applaud their achievement.
 
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Exiled-Pakistani

Minister (2k+ posts)
I truly congratulate India for this great achievement. Very well done.

Let me just explain to my Pakistani brothers what India has achieved today. Today India has shown to the world that it has necessary technology and expertise to send satellites and space missions to space at a very cheap rate. India has accomplished this feat in mere $75 million, where as European and US space agency would do the same project in $75 billion or more. What I see is that now India can market to rest of the world that it can send European and US communication satellites to the orbit at a fraction of cost. Do you have any idea how many high tech jobs it will create in India? India can very well expand this technology to military and intelligence gathering satellite technology. I can go on and on but I think you have got the idea.

Mr. Modern Fakir

I am assuming that you are the monkey in the red hat. My question to you is why instead of educating Pakistani people you feed hatred of our neighbors into their mind. Are you some kind of psychotic?
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
[hilar][hilar]...Mr. Exiled Brain oh sorry Hindustani :lol::lol:....When was the last time you had a Brain Scan done of any kind ?? ...Have you gone bonkers ?? ...See this is why its imperative that you quit smoking the cheap stuff as it has now completely short-circuited your brain :lol:

I congratulated India for this achievement BUT the article written up there is from the EX-Chief of ISro, the very organization that hosted this publicity stunt !...I would encourage you to pass a few lines on his "Hatred" for this whole episode and also get a "Hatred" certificate for "Times of India" who published this "hate-filled" article [hilar][hilar]

Also, sending a vehicle up in space in one thing putting that vehicle to use is another thing. Thats where the 75 million and the 75 billion dollar difference from the western counterparts makes a difference.:)

Let me see them put this technology to use when they have to build toilets and we will call that a real achievement (bigsmile)...Enjoy !!


I truly congratulate India for this great achievement. Very well done.

Let me just explain to my Pakistani brothers what India has achieved today. Today India has shown to the world that it has necessary technology and expertise to send satellites and space missions to space at a very cheap rate. India has accomplished this feat in mere $75 million, where as European and US space agency would do the same project in $75 billion or more. What I see is that now India can market to rest of the world that it can send European and US communication satellites to the orbit at a fraction of cost. Do you have any idea how many high tech jobs it will create in India? India can very well expand this technology to military and intelligence gathering satellite technology. I can go on and on but I think you have got the idea.

Mr. Modern Fakir

I am assuming that you are the monkey in the red hat. My question to you is why instead of educating Pakistani people you feed hatred of our neighbors into their mind. Are you some kind of psychotic?
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
I truly congratulate India for this great achievement. Very well done.

Let me just explain to my Pakistani brothers what India has achieved today. Today India has shown to the world that it has necessary technology and expertise to send satellites and space missions to space at a very cheap rate. India has accomplished this feat in mere $75 million, where as European and US space agency would do the same project in $75 billion or more. What I see is that now India can market to rest of the world that it can send European and US communication satellites to the orbit at a fraction of cost. Do you have any idea how many high tech jobs it will create in India? India can very well expand this technology to military and intelligence gathering satellite technology. I can go on and on but I think you have got the idea.

Mr. Modern Fakir

I am assuming that you are the monkey in the red hat. My question to you is why instead of educating Pakistani people you feed hatred of our neighbors into their mind. Are you some kind of psychotic?


[h=1]’بس مان بڑھے گا، کچھ خاص فائدہ نہیں‘[/h]http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/multimedia/2013/11/131105_bharat_karnard_ra.shtml
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Although we appreciate and applaud India for launching a PSLV vehicle into space, this is nothing new from a technology perspective. As the former Isro Chief says that the publicity stunt could have been avoided and the money could have been spent on something more original like the Toilet Crisis, food issues etc...

Our message of peace and love as always :)

You had two choices. And you picked the former Isro chief because he played your tune that you dance to. Tsk tsk. Itna bhi banday ko ghulam nahi hona chahiye apni hurt pride ka.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Although we appreciate and applaud India for launching a PSLV vehicle into space, this is nothing new from a technology perspective. As the former Isro Chief says that the publicity stunt could have been avoided and the money could have been spent on something more original like the Toilet Crisis, food issues etc...

Our message of peace and love as always :)

yaar fakir,

khuda key wastey in logo ko roko. dont let them ruin my planet Mars now, Yeh wahan bhi gandagi phailaeingey


Gazoo Martian
Zork, planet Mars
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I truly congratulate India for this great achievement. Very well done.

Let me just explain to my Pakistani brothers what India has achieved today. Today India has shown to the world that it has necessary technology and expertise to send satellites and space missions to space at a very cheap rate. India has accomplished this feat in mere $75 million, where as European and US space agency would do the same project in $75 billion or more. What I see is that now India can market to rest of the world that it can send European and US communication satellites to the orbit at a fraction of cost. Do you have any idea how many high tech jobs it will create in India? India can very well expand this technology to military and intelligence gathering satellite technology. I can go on and on but I think you have got the idea.

Mr. Modern Fakir

I am assuming that you are the monkey in the red hat. My question to you is why instead of educating Pakistani people you feed hatred of our neighbors into their mind. Are you some kind of psychotic?


$75M versus $75B, is that really a doable thing?

Seems like it might be your imagination about $75M. There is a lotta bull sh it there somewhere

Tum earthlings sey khuda hi samjhey. I am better off being a Martian :biggthumpup:
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
[hilar][hilar] fikr mat karein gazoo bhai ..

Yeh ager wahan gaye bhi to ziada der tiknay nahi walay (bigsmile)

Australia, Kenya, Saudia ki terha yeh wahan say bhi nikalay jaingay ...is dafa "martians" yeh kaam kerdaingay [hilar][hilar]
yaar fakir,

khuda key wastey in logo ko roko. dont let them ruin my planet Mars now, Yeh wahan bhi gandagi phailaeingey


Gazoo Martian
Zork, planet Mars
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]"In the end, the only people who fail are those who do not try" --David Viscott [/FONT]
Congrats to ISRO for this achievement. Whatever be the result, at least we have the capacity and the means to try. Way to go Mangalyaan !!
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
[hilar][hilar] fikr mat karein gazoo bhai ..

Yeh ager wahan gaye bhi to ziada der tiknay nahi walay (bigsmile)

Australia, Kenya, Saudia ki terha yeh wahan say bhi nikalay jaingay ...is dafa "martians" yeh kaam kerdaingay [hilar][hilar]

they are being kicked out of Saudia? For sure? & Aus, Ken also?

That will have major major impact on Indian economy depending on how many come home

Are they accepting Pakistanis to pick up the slack?


Waisy eik baat hai. i am not saying because they are our enemy. Purely based on sincerity and observation. Their work pretty shoddy and sub-standard. Worked with total of over 300 Indians on different projects. I know of only 3 or 4 lead analysts that the client praised about. Others were just dumb (as clients called them). Unfortunately we Pakis become target of their comments too.

If India was not a terrorist country and was decent, just society we could have a wonderful region here. Just imagine:

1. Over 1B300million people i.e. consumer
2. Free crossing the borders
3. work in each other's country
4. compliment each other's needs
5. Air, land, traveling w/o visa,
6. Free bilateral trade.
7. law enforcement sharing data on criminals
8. Extradition treaty


list goes on. We could have wonders and wouldn't need the West. But **** sigh **** we just had to have a neighbor like India (cry)
 
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