If Afghan Taliban are not Pakistan's enemy then why Pakistan sending NATO supplies?

Mullah Omar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Now this ambassador becomes important for you after you admit that it was not a good idea to confront US.
This is really strange as you can not say what is the scale of treating the worst enemies and then downgrade Pakistan.

When recalling history, Afghan Taliban were declared terrorists after 9/11 by UN and Pakistan (as a country) could not put itself in trouble because of just 1 man. Just tell how many muslim countries had embassies of Taliban ??
I have always said that Pakistan had hard decision to make. This is not something I've "admitted" after arguing with you. Similarly I have mentioned the ambassador before. Now you think I'm trying to "downgrade" Pakistan just by mentioning a FACT that Pakistans treatment of Afghan ambassador was absolutely shocking. You're just an emotional fool trying to act all patriotic by defending everything your country does.
 

Fursan

Minister (2k+ posts)
I have always said that Pakistan had hard decision to make. This is not something I've "admitted" after arguing with you. Similarly I have mentioned the ambassador before. Now you think I'm trying to "downgrade" Pakistan just by mentioning a FACT that Pakistans treatment of Afghan ambassador was absolutely shocking. You're just an emotional fool trying to act all patriotic by defending everything your country does.


Am I an emotional fool ?

What I can really see is that you can emotionally go to any extent for Taliban who were not progressive at all. You are getting too emotional for that Afghan Ambassador by saying that it was very shocking what Pakistan did to Zaeef when the news says many more things which dont match your accusations of tyranny or brutality.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/04/w...-questioned-pakistan.html?ref=abdulsalamzaeef

Why dont you go to Afghanistan and fight along Taliban against US ??
 
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Mullah Omar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Am I an emotional fool ?

What I can really see is that you can emotionally go to any extent for Taliban who were not progressive at all. You are getting too emotional for that Afghan Ambassador by saying that it was very shocking what Pakistan did to Zaeef when the news says many more things which dont match your accusations of tyranny or brutality.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/04/w...-questioned-pakistan.html?ref=abdulsalamzaeef

Why dont you go to Afghanistan and fight along Taliban against US ??

yes you're an emotional fool and no I won't go to any extent for Taliban. Now your coming up with more stuff that has zero relevenace to this discussion like "Taliban are not progressive" bla bla bla. I'm just saying our treatment of Taliban Ambassador was shameful. This is not an accusation but a FACT....but no you are too blind in your false patriotism to see facts. And really is that your argument that why don't I go Afghanistan? grasping at straws now? and the link you posted doesn't show anything we didn't know, in fact it reiterates what I have been saying, that Pakistan turned hostile against Taliban.
 

Fursan

Minister (2k+ posts)
yes you're an emotional fool and no I won't go to any extent for Taliban. Now your coming up with more stuff that has zero relevenace to this discussion like "Taliban are not progressive" bla bla bla. I'm just saying our treatment of Taliban Ambassador was shameful. This is not an accusation but a FACT....but no you are too blind in your false patriotism to see facts. And really is that your argument that why don't I go Afghanistan? grasping at straws now? and the link you posted doesn't show anything we didn't know, in fact it reiterates what I have been saying, that Pakistan turned hostile against Taliban.


What Pakistan did at that time is final and it was according to the critical situation of that time, whether its Afghan Taliban, Mulla Zaeef or some other Al Qaeda element.

What shameful act was done to Zaeef, just tell.. no Afghanis belong in Pakistan as they have brought crimes with them.

You are wasting your time by arguing like a fool and proving yourself right. Go to Afghanistan!
 

Mullah Omar

Minister (2k+ posts)
What Pakistan did at that time is final and it was according to the critical situation of that time, whether its Afghan Taliban, Mulla Zaeef or some other Al Qaeda element.

What shameful act was done to Zaeef, just tell.. no Afghanis belong in Pakistan as they have brought crimes with them.

You are wasting your time by arguing like a fool and proving yourself right. Go to Afghanistan!

Thanks for admitting I have proven myself right and yes I think I'm wasting time with you so I'll take a leave now. You continue in your blindness.
 

Fursan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Thanks for admitting I have proven myself right and yes I think I'm wasting time with you so I'll take a leave now. You continue in your blindness.


I never admitted that you are right. In fact you started a new campaign for Mulla Zaeef after admitting that confronting US was not a good idea.

What you replied is understood and this usually happens when you argue without having the convincing power to prove right.

Take a long leave and go to Afghanistan. That is where you belong.
 
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Mullah Omar

Minister (2k+ posts)
I never admitted that you are right. In fact you started a new campaign for Mulla Zaeef after admitting that confronting US was not a good idea.

What you replied is understood and this usually happens when you argue without having the convincing power to prove right.

Take a long leave and go to Afghanistan. That is where you belong.

sigh, I had to return just coz of your blatant lie. Read post #32, I mentioned Mullah Zaeef well before I "admitted" anything about confronting US. If lying helps you sleep at night then fair enough. I'm out.
 

Fursan

Minister (2k+ posts)
sigh, I had to return just coz of your blatant lie. Read post #32, I mentioned Mullah Zaeef well before I "admitted" anything about confronting US. If lying helps you sleep at night then fair enough. I'm out.


No doubt you mentioned him but your focus was generally on Afghan Taliban at that time and once the issue of 'confronting US' got solved, your focus was shifted on Mulla Zaeef, this is what I meant.

And.. I am sorry for indulging in argument with you because if you remind me of my so-called blatant lie then it also reminds me that You called me a Shia at the start and I should have known about your low credibility for making false accusations at that time, because that was personal.
 

Sherlock Holmes

MPA (400+ posts)
No doubt you mentioned him but your focus was generally on Afghan Taliban at that time and once the issue of 'confronting US' got solved, your focus was shifted on Mulla Zaeef, this is what I meant.

And.. I am sorry for indulging in argument with you because if you remind me of my so-called blatant lie then it also reminds me that You called me a Shia at the start and I should have known about your low credibility for making false accusations at that time, because that was personal.

Dear Fursan, one can agree that supporting US was a reasonable decision after 9/11, however, we could have done it on our terms. We opened our borders for them. We allowed them to establish their intel network in Northern areas (FATA). They penetrated in each and every sector of our system.

We mis-managed every aspect of this war. Things were not planned from first day. Extremism rose to new heights. The investors packed their businesses because of law and order situation. More than 35000 civilians died , millions migrated from their homes.

Our economy collapsed. We even did not receive the original promised amount from US that we spent on this war.

On the other hand, our army kept supporting Afghan Taliban secretly to keep US engaged in Afghanistan. At the same time Musharraf government made some severe mistake like Lal Masjid operation and Bugti killing to drive situation to worst.

The drove this country to the verge of breaking into pieces. The situation got bit controlled only after Kyani made policy changes in 2008.
 

Fursan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Dear Fursan, one can agree that supporting US was a reasonable decision after 9/11, however, we could have done it on our terms. We opened our borders for them. We allowed them to establish their intel network in Northern areas (FATA). They penetrated in each and every sector of our system.

We mis-managed every aspect of this war. Things were not planned from first day. Extremism rose to new heights. The investors packed their businesses because of law and order situation. More than 35000 civilians died , millions migrated from their homes.

Our economy collapsed. We even did not receive the original promised amount from US that we spent on this war.

On the other hand, our army kept supporting Afghan Taliban secretly to keep US engaged in Afghanistan. At the same time Musharraf government made some severe mistake like Lal Masjid operation and Bugti killing to drive situation to worst.

The drove this country to the verge of breaking into pieces. The situation got bit controlled only after Kyani made policy changes in 2008.


Dear Sherlock Holmes,

Everyone has the right to make his/her own assumptions about any thing.
People mostly make negative assumptions.
 

Unlettered

Senator (1k+ posts)
It is totally understood that when you dont have any claims to support your accusations, you are bringing the issue of morality and upbringing BUT
I must also tell you that I am not raised in some low level family, who are you to tell me "shame on you!".

You should also look at your language from the beginning as you crossed the limits in the first place when you bluntly slammed false accusations.

All the references have already been given as those were historical facts and common knowledge now not 'accusations' or 'my claims'. If you dont want to come out from your fool's paradise then none can help you and for that you rightly deserved to be ashamed ;)

I am out, have a nice joking session! :P
 

Fursan

Minister (2k+ posts)
All the references have already been given as those were historical facts and common knowledge now not 'accusations' or 'my claims'. If you dont want to come out from your fool's paradise then none can help you and for that you rightly deserved to be ashamed ;)

I am out, have a nice joking session! :P


The comment you have made will never change the facts.

I am also out of your joking session of accusations about using chemical weapons in Lal Masjid, despite the fact that every weapon consists of chemicals, even human body. This does not make your comedy accusations of chemical use come true.

Fact will remain the same that Smoke Discharge WP Grenade (a grenade) was used !!

Good Luck (clap)
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I really cannot respond you in the language you've used as I was not raised up like that and its not part of my upbringing but I would like to end my say with the saying,

"Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn." Benjamin Franklin

you are always usings quotes from american founding fathers why not any muslim hero?(bigsmile)
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I initially thought of keeping myself on topic but since you started lying shamelessly as one can expect from an army puppet, I'll have to address the issues accordingly.




I am not sure what you were taught during your worship session to your 'holy cow' but the recovered bodies from lal masjid were found burned so the WPs were not used for smoke screening instead they were used as incendiary weapon.

"WP burns fiercely and can set cloth, fuel, ammunition and other combustibles on fire, and cause serious burns or death."


Incandescent particles of WP cast off by a WP weapon's initial explosion can produce extensive, deep second and third degree burns. One reason why this occurs is the tendency of the element to stick to the skin. Phosphorus burns carry a greater risk of mortality than other forms of burns due to the absorption of phosphorus into the body through the burned area, resulting in liver, heart and kidney damage, and in some cases multiple organ failure.

The United Nations Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCWC) prohibits the use of such weapons 'on civilians during a war'. Alas! our army used these weapons on its very own besieged civilians and God knows how many of them were orphans!


Just for a moment imagine those kids to be your own and try to justify the operation. If you still consider it a justified act by the army then no further comments from my side but If you feel ashamed in any corner of your heart then I congratulate you for still having faith as per the saying of the Prophet:

"Whosoever of you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart; and that is the weakest of faith."




I am neither the owner of the website nor the writer of that article on wikipedia or other independent reports and sources for that matter. So those were not 'my stories' in fact we were never even allowed to know the truth about our very own Hamood-ur-Rahman commission report.

Yeah, yeah I can understand that all of this is just propaganda because the national and international media is controlled by CIA/RAW/MOSSAD/KGB/Dajjal etc and all they want is to defame Pakistan army who happens to be the only obstacle in their way otherwise the world will be doomed.



I see... so it was the president of Israel who happens to be the COAS as well that started peeing in his pants on that phone call and insured our unconditional slavery to the US for the sake of $$$.

Now on a serious note I would like to confess that despite of all the shortcomings I still own our army as much as you or any other Pakistani do but that does not mean that we shouldn't call spade a spade. If we'll have to progress as a nation then we must learn from the past and try not to repeat our mistakes because if we keep doing what we did, we will keep getting what we've got!




you are fixated on assumptous issue which nobody knows and nobody will find out what happened, but truth remains that if I was an active commander I would have kicked all of these terrorist of lal musjids behinds right the first day, ghadaars, traitors terrorist, khwarijis, anti-pakistan whatever low life scum bags did in name of religion, I mean if the leader talking so big and creating this serious commotion and then in name of jihad running away in BURQA leaving behind his mother, brother and all those good for nothing crowd what a shamefull act so called lazy dog mullah and you have sympathy for them, and you called yourself pakistani, shame on you, very dissapionted with pakistanis like you
(bigsmile)
 

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