How To Understand Qur'an

samar · Mar 28, 2011

Mughal1 said:
Asal fitna inkare quran ka hai, hadees ka inkar isi ka radde amal lagta hai.

Jab logoon ne quran ko chhod kar hathisoon se deen banana shoron kar diya to kaam gad bad ho gaya. Yeh islam par bahot bada hamla tha jo peghambae islam ke baad khul kar saamne aaya.

isse pehle munafiqoon ka kaam mehz sharaartun tak hi mehdood tha.

Phir bhi islam ki asal maloomaat aaj bhi hamaare paas hen. Haan itna zuroor hai ke ab ham ko islam ki asal shakal dhoondane main zara mehnat karni padti hai.

Yeh mehnat sirf woh log karte hen jo lakeer ke fakeer nahin hen balkeh apni soch rakhte hen aur sab se pehle quran ko tasreefi andaaz main samajte hen.

Uske baad deen main sirf un rawaayat ko lete hen jo quran ke nqsha -e -deen men fit ho sakti hen.

Yahi log asal deen ke khidmatgar hen or mujaddad hen yahni deen ko asal shakal main pesh karni ki koshish karte hen.

Sir seyyed ahmad khan, alaama iqbal, g a parwez aur deegar bahot se ulema mawlaana hazraat ke islam se ikhtilaf nahin rakhte the haan unki samajh se oopar ki baatun ko samjhaate the apne dalaail ke saath.

Aaj bhi jo log lakeer ke faqeer hen sirf unko hi aise logoon se gila hai bajaai mashkoor hone ke.

Lekin agar hamko firqa wariyat se nijaat chahiye to phir quran ki taraf hamko waapas jaane ki zaroorat hai.

Jo koi bhi rawaayaat ka inkaar karta hai woh unhi rawaayaat se inkari hai jo usko quran ke khilaaf maloom hoti hen, yahni quran ke diye huwe frame main woh fit nahin hotin.

Isi liye sunni shia ki rawaayaat ko nahin maante aur aur shia sunni kutbe ahaadith se inkari hen is ke bawajood koi aik doosre ko deen se khaarij nahin jaanta.

Han agar koi nafse hadith hi se inkar kar de to baat alag hai. Aise shakhs ko mere khayaal main deen ko samajhne main dushwaari ho gi. Kyunkeh quran sirf bunyadi deen hi bataata hai us ki ziyaada tafseel main nahin jaata.

Lakin agar kisi shakhs ko quran par aisa uboor haasil hai keh woh har baat quran hi e nikaal sakta hai to khoob baat hai. aisa shakhs apne dalaail pesh kere takeh ham jese log us se khuchh faida haasil kar saken.

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KUEN KE MANDAK NA BANE INSAAN BANEN ho sake to un logun se oppar uthen unhi ke kandun pe khade ho kar jo insaanu ko insaniyat main oopar uthaate hen taakeh haalat behtar hun. jaaiz tanqeed zaroor karen awaaze mat kasen. yeh aap ki apni kam ilmi par dalaalat hun ge.

A stupid argument konsi hadyt he jo quran ko contradict krtee he............

ahadyt me munkireen a hdyt ka b zikr milta he............

Jo hzur s.a.w ki ahadyt ko nhi manta he is not a muslim.

Mughal1 · Mar 28, 2011

samar said:
A stupid argument konsi hadyt he jo quran ko contradict krtee he............

ahadyt me munkireen a hdyt ka b zikr milta he............

Jo hzur s.a.w ki ahadyt ko nhi manta he is not a muslim.

Dear samar, thank you for giving me chance to explain important points.

1)There is difference between what is attributed to Allah and what is actually from Allah.

2)Likewise there is a big difference between what is attributed to the prophet and what is actually from him.

3)It is an accepted fact both by sunni and shia ulema that a lot of so called ahadith of the prophet are not really ahadith in that sense rather they have been invented.

4)In my own view only such ahadith are acceptable that the quran itself points to. Other authenitc reports may well be true but are not needed for fundamental understanding of islam.

5)People who try to understand the quran by means of other sources are fundamentally wrong in principle. Because the quran is the real message that is perfect within itself. All prophets according to the quran just preached what Allah told them and did not add anything from themselves. The prophet showed by examples only those thimngs that were divine commandments eg about prayers etc.

6)The quran was left to people to understand it as per their own research and exploration as regard knowledge that was other than commandments. This is why we do not have any consistent tafseer of the quran by the prophet himself. All tafaseer we have differ between themselves because they are thoughts of their authors.

7)The quran cannot be understood by people who do not have much sense about the real world and issues regaridng that eg ideologies, societies, politics, cultures economics, systems, structures and practices. The quran is like a street map which is no use for a child who has no idea how to make sense of it or to use it and is not familiar with geographical location about which the map is. So people only understand the quran as much as they can and it all depends on their own level of knowledge about quran related issues, topics, ideas and things. The purpose of the quran is to guide those who are capable of being guided. You can only feed the living not the dead. You cannot put anything in to a container that has no mouth to take things in.

8)Most people do not like new interpretations of the quiran because they have no idea what they are all about because they have no knowledge to be able to see their need and the purpose they fulfil.

9)Sir seyyid ahmed khan, alaama iqbal, ghulam ahmed parwez, abul ala mawdoodi, javed ahmed ghamdi and many many more people have brought out new ideas because they were not boxed in by mullahs of their time. Islamic history is full of people who have brought new way to look at quran here and there and later times proved them right and mad mullahs wrong.

10)Islam is all about research and exploration but muslim rulers and their appointed mullahs have turned it into a superstitious movement that is dead jammed in its track. This situation can only be changed by letting these silly mullahs die their own death by moving forward with time even if it means without them. So we need to be grateful to muslims who stick their necks on the line to help ummah become worth its salt.

11)It is time we realised that sceince is real and that we need it because the quran says so, let mullahs run after their own make beliefs. When people oppose new ideas and discoveries it makes me worry that our people are turning their back on knowledge. This is nothing less than strangling ourselves to death.

12)So I hope this will help understand my point of view. I have great respect for people who have knowledge and who wish to learn, all others to me are just animals in human form. A human in quranic language is worst of all animals if he has no interest in learning. If you fear others for falling out of line then you are not a person who is really interested in the truth. You just want to toe the line to please others, particularly if you are opposing those whom you should be supporting.

So dear samar let us work together and help each other in moving forward than hinder each other.

Have you read QASASUL AMBIYA? a book that is full of ahadith that explains the origin of the universe? That should be enough to show you how many ahadith are wrongly attributed to the prophet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpJcn0Otk7I&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aPOMUTr1qw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YhUL_EovRU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLSUeV3SnWc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvEOSW5kLeE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y7pYqsI8Eg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwbmLblgb4Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhQZQn_ORVg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg5rRFT1d3g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isEkDPJ4lfI&feature=related

http://www.biharanjuman.org/Video-Qasas-ul-Anbiya.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGASvVqzOa0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgbkdrOl3sw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVU8WOjWtEo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LItw2R14neU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uUI12S8yt4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHb6hWrtYCc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkF-Z8Ulp-w&feature=related

regards and all the best

Salik · Mar 28, 2011

babadeena said:
Brother, just google the words "Quran, Urdu, Easy Urdu, tafseer, translation, english translation etc. etc. etc.", you
will find numerous sites.

Baba... Here is the whole list.... I ll pm u the link as well in case if you dont return to this thread....

Mughal1 · Apr 2, 2011

http://www.aastana.com/urdu/viewer.asp?t=B&id=35

These videos are only posted to show ikhtilaaf between mawlanas and sects so that people do not follow anyone blindly. It is better to stay away from those who spread hatred and fights and all mullahs are involved in this save people who are thoughtful.

1of10 - Ahmad Raza Khan Kafir - Barelvi Ullama K Fatway