How to Pray Fajar Without Hadith

[Wake up Pak]

so bro, not debating but for my own knowledge, if you don't perform Namaz, then how do you interpret ayats about establishing salat... do you make some kind of dua as an alternative to formal namaz?

Bro, establishing salat does not mean performing Namaz.
You have to understand that Salat has different derivatives. Once you know the meaning of Salat, it will be clear.
From what I have read so far, the meaning of Salat is to follow closely, connect, communicate, and commit.
The majority of the time the Salat is combined with Zaka. So when you perform Namaz you pay the Zaka at the same time? (By the way, Zaka does not mean giving 2.5% Zaka once a year).

 

[Wake up Pak]

Do you believe in performing Hajj ?

I do believe in performing Hajj, but not in the way it is being performed nowadays, which has nothing to do with Quranic Hajj.
Let's stick to the subject of the Namaz for now.

 

[Cyber_Security]

I knew it that no one could provide a unified method of Namaz from the ahadith either. The thread starter himself is clueless and lost as he keeps asking questions instead of providing the details of the Namaz.
Just let me know where Allah said to raise the hands to your ears and then fold them on your chest or belly by saying Allah Akabar.
Where did Allah say to face the Kaaba when performing Namaz?

For such detail one turns to Hadith, this is the whole point that the Quran gives direction and Hadith explains its implementation. The Quran mentions Salat at least 99 times, explaining many times what times of the day Salat has to be offered but you still believe one doesn't have to offer Salat. You don't believe in Hadith, You reject the Quran's 99 verses about Salat. You believe those offered Salat perform an Islamic ritual. Are here in this siasat.pk any more people like you and Citizen X with this faith?

 

[Cyber_Security]

I do believe in performing Hajj, but not in the way it is being performed nowadays, which has nothing to do with Quranic Hajj.
Let's stick to the subject of the Namaz for now.

So if you go for Hajj, you will not perform any salat because performing salat in your and Citizen X's faith is unIslamic. Right?

 

[Siberite]

I do believe in performing Hajj, but not in the way it is being performed nowadays, which has nothing to do with Quranic Hajj.
Let's stick to the subject of the Namaz for now.

What is Quranic Hajj? How do you perform it?

 

[Siberite]

So if you go for Hajj, you will not perform any salat because performing salat in your and Citizen X's faith is unIslamic. Right?

Poor Guy. Leave him alone.

 

[Cyber_Security]

I knew it that no one could provide a unified method of Namaz from the ahadith either. The thread starter himself is clueless and lost as he keeps asking questions instead of providing the details of the Namaz.
Just let me know where Allah said to raise the hands to your ears and then fold them on your chest or belly by saying Allah Akabar.
Where did Allah say to face the Kaaba when performing Namaz?

The Quran also doesn't tell us to bury the dead. so what is the process of a funeral in your faith? Would you like to be cremated or would you prefer to be buried after death?

 

[Cyber_Security]

Citizen X where are you? Poor Wake up Pak is the only one explaining to us why it is unIslamic to offer Salat in his opinion. You had told me you have the same faith about Salat. Please come and take part in this discussion. . .

 

[Wake up Pak]

For such detail one turns to Hadith, this is the whole point that the Quran gives direction and Hadith explains its implementation. The Quran mentions Salat at least 99 times, explaining many times what times of the day Salat has to be offered but you still believe one doesn't have to offer Salat. You don't believe in Hadith, You reject the Quran's 99 verses about Salat. You believe those offered Salat perform an Islamic ritual. Are here in this siasat.pk any more people like you and Citizen X with this faith?

Still waiting on how to perform the Namaz as per the ahadith....

Don't try to tell me that I reject the verses of the Quran. It is you who have rejected the verses of the Quran.
You deny all of these verses plus some more.

[Quran 6:19] Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran has inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods besides God." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."

[Quran 6:38] We did not leave anything out of this book.

[Quran 7:52] We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.

[Quran 10:37] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.

[Quran 12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.

 

[Wake up Pak]

So if you go for Hajj, you will not perform any salat because performing salat in your and Citizen X's faith is unIslamic. Right?

Stick to namaz why are you hiding under different topics? I have dealt with a lot of people like you who are clueless and ignorant about Namaz, and yet they keep on yapping about it.

 

[Wake up Pak]

The Quran also doesn't tell us to bury the dead. so what is the process of a funeral in your faith? Would you like to be cremated or would you prefer to be buried after death?

Once again, your topic was Namaz. Why are you hiding under different topics? I knew that you are a clueless and lost soul who does not know right from wrong.

 

[Wake up Pak]

The poor guy started the thread but couldn't defend it either. What a shame and embarrassing it must be for him.

 

[Cyber_Security]

Still waiting on how to perform the Namaz as per the ahadith....

Don't try to tell me that I reject the verses of the Quran. It is you who have rejected the verses of the Quran.
You deny all of these verses plus some more.

[Quran 6:19] Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran has inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods besides God." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."

[Quran 6:38] We did not leave anything out of this book.

[Quran 7:52] We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.

[Quran 10:37] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.

[Quran 12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.

Your argument highlights several Quranic verses that you interpret as suggesting the Quran is fully sufficient on its own. While the Quran is indeed complete and perfect, it also emphasises the importance of following the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his teachings, which are preserved in the Hadith. Let's examine your points and provide a counter-perspective.

Quran 6:19 - God's Testimony​

Verse: "Say, 'Whose testimony is the greatest?' Say, 'God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran has inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods besides God.' Say, 'I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry.'"

Counter-Argument: This verse emphasises the supremacy of God's testimony and the Quran's divine inspiration. However, it does not negate the importance of the Prophet's teachings. The Quran repeatedly instructs Muslims to follow the Prophet's example and teachings.

• Surah Al-Hashr (59:7): "And whatever the Messenger has given you – take; and what he has forbidden you – refrain from." This verse directly instructs Muslims to follow the Prophet's guidance, which is documented in the Hadith.

Quran 6:38 - Nothing Left Out​

Verse: "We did not leave anything out of this book."

Counter-Argument: This verse means that the Quran contains all essential principles for guidance. However, it does not provide detailed instructions for every aspect of life. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was sent to explain and implement these principles, which is why the Quran says:

• Surah An-Nahl (16:44): "And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought." The Prophet's explanations and practices, found in the Hadith, are necessary for understanding and applying Quranic teachings.

Quran 7:52 - Fully Detailed Scripture​

Verse: "We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe."

Counter-Argument: The Quran is fully detailed in terms of its principles, but the application of these principles often requires further elaboration provided by the Prophet.

• Surah Al-Imran (3:31): "Say, [O Muhammad], 'If you should love Allah, then follow me, so Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.'" This verse shows the necessity of following the Prophet's example to truly adhere to God's guidance.

Quran 10:37 - Fully Detailed Scripture​

Verse: "This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe."

Counter-Argument: The Quran is indeed infallible and detailed, but it does not negate the need for the Prophet's Sunnah. The Prophet’s role was to demonstrate the Quran’s teachings through his actions and words.

• Surah Al-Ahzab (33:21): "There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often." This verse emphasizes the Prophet's role as an example to be followed, which includes his sayings and actions recorded in the Hadith.

Quran 12:111 - Confirmation and Details​

Verse: "In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe."

Counter-Argument: While this verse highlights the Quran's authenticity and its comprehensive nature, it does not dismiss the importance of Hadith. The Prophet’s sayings and actions are crucial for interpreting and implementing the Quranic verses.

• Surah An-Nisa (4:59): "O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you." This verse clearly commands Muslims to obey the Prophet, which is facilitated through the Hadith.

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The Quran emphasises the importance of following the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his teachings alongside the Quranic revelations. The Hadith complements the Quran by providing practical examples and detailed explanations of its principles. Rejecting the Hadith means ignoring the comprehensive guidance provided by Allah through His Messenger, which the Quran itself advocates.

 

[Wake up Pak]

What is Quranic Hajj? How do you perform it?

"I encourage you to read the Quran, but I can't spoon-feed everyone."

 

[Wake up Pak]

Your argument highlights several Quranic verses that you interpret as suggesting the Quran is fully sufficient on its own. While the Quran is indeed complete and perfect, it also emphasises the importance of following the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his teachings, which are preserved in the Hadith. Let's examine your points and provide a counter-perspective.

Quran 6:19 - God's Testimony​

Verse: "Say, 'Whose testimony is the greatest?' Say, 'God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran has inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods besides God.' Say, 'I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry.'"

Counter-Argument: This verse emphasises the supremacy of God's testimony and the Quran's divine inspiration. However, it does not negate the importance of the Prophet's teachings. The Quran repeatedly instructs Muslims to follow the Prophet's example and teachings.

• Surah Al-Hashr (59:7): "And whatever the Messenger has given you – take; and what he has forbidden you – refrain from." This verse directly instructs Muslims to follow the Prophet's guidance, which is documented in the Hadith.

Quran 6:38 - Nothing Left Out​

Verse: "We did not leave anything out of this book."

Counter-Argument: This verse means that the Quran contains all essential principles for guidance. However, it does not provide detailed instructions for every aspect of life. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was sent to explain and implement these principles, which is why the Quran says:

• Surah An-Nahl (16:44): "And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought." The Prophet's explanations and practices, found in the Hadith, are necessary for understanding and applying Quranic teachings.

Quran 7:52 - Fully Detailed Scripture​

Verse: "We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe."

Counter-Argument: The Quran is fully detailed in terms of its principles, but the application of these principles often requires further elaboration provided by the Prophet.

• Surah Al-Imran (3:31): "Say, [O Muhammad], 'If you should love Allah, then follow me, so Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.'" This verse shows the necessity of following the Prophet's example to truly adhere to God's guidance.

Quran 10:37 - Fully Detailed Scripture​

Verse: "This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe."

Counter-Argument: The Quran is indeed infallible and detailed, but it does not negate the need for the Prophet's Sunnah. The Prophet’s role was to demonstrate the Quran’s teachings through his actions and words.

• Surah Al-Ahzab (33:21): "There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often." This verse emphasizes the Prophet's role as an example to be followed, which includes his sayings and actions recorded in the Hadith.

Quran 12:111 - Confirmation and Details​

Verse: "In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe."

Counter-Argument: While this verse highlights the Quran's authenticity and its comprehensive nature, it does not dismiss the importance of Hadith. The Prophet’s sayings and actions are crucial for interpreting and implementing the Quranic verses.

• Surah An-Nisa (4:59): "O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you." This verse clearly commands Muslims to obey the Prophet, which is facilitated through the Hadith.

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The Quran emphasises the importance of following the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his teachings alongside the Quranic revelations. The Hadith complements the Quran by providing practical examples and detailed explanations of its principles. Rejecting the Hadith means ignoring the comprehensive guidance provided by Allah through His Messenger, which the Quran itself advocates.

How to perform Namaz? why are you hiding in providing the details of Namaz?

 

[Siberite]

Once again, your topic was Namaz. Why are you hiding under different topics? I knew that you are a clueless and lost soul who does not know right from wrong.

My friend don't be stubborn. The Hajj without the salat is not Hajj. What do you do when you stand in front of Kaaba ? There are five times pray in front of kaaba every day. Muslims perform salat right in Kaaba with other Muslims. You didn't tell me how is your Hajj when you get there?

 

[Cyber_Security]

How to perform Namaz? why are you hiding in providing the details of Namaz?

1. Fajr Prayer​

Fajr consists of 2 Rak'ahs (units of prayer).

Steps:​

1. Intention (Niyyah): Intend in your heart that you are about to perform the Fajr prayer for the sake of Allah.
2. Takbir: Raise your hands to your ears and say "Allahu Akbar" (Allah is the Greatest).
3. Standing (Qiyam): Recite Surah Al-Fatihah (the Opening) and then a portion of the Quran (e.g., Surah Al-Ikhlas).
4. Ruku (Bowing): Bow down, placing your hands on your knees, and say "Subhana Rabbiyal Adheem" (Glory is to my Lord, the Most Great) three times.
5. Standing: Rise from Ruku and say "Sami'Allahu liman hamidah" (Allah hears those who praise Him). Follow this by "Rabbana wa lakal hamd" (Our Lord, and to You be all praise).
6. Sujood (Prostration): Prostrate and say "Subhana Rabbiyal A'la" (Glory is to my Lord, the Most High) three times.
7. Sitting: Sit briefly and then prostrate again.
8. Second Rak'ah: Repeat steps 3-7 for the second Rak'ah.
9. Tashahhud: Sit and recite the Tashahhud and Salat al-Ibrahimiyyah (salutation upon the Prophet).
10. Tasleem: Turn your head to the right and say "Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah" (Peace and mercy of Allah be upon you), then to the left and repeat.

2. Dhuhr Prayer​

Dhuhr consists of 4 Rak'ahs.

Steps:​

1. First Two Rak'ahs: Follow the steps for Fajr prayer, including the recitations and positions.
2. Second Two Rak'ahs:
   • After the second prostration in the second Rak'ah, stand up without reciting the Tashahhud and continue to the third and fourth Rak'ahs.
   • In the third and fourth Rak'ahs, recite only Surah Al-Fatihah.
   • After the second prostration in the fourth Rak'ah, recite the Tashahhud and Salat al-Ibrahimiyyah.
3. Tasleem: Conclude the prayer with Tasleem.

3. Asr Prayer​

Asr consists of 4 Rak'ahs, performed similarly to Dhuhr.

4. Maghrib Prayer​

Maghrib consists of 3 Rak'ahs.

Steps:​

1. First Two Rak'ahs: Follow the steps for Fajr prayer, including the recitations and positions.
2. Third Rak'ah:After the second prostration in the second Rak'ah, stand up and continue to the third Rak'ah.
   • Recite only Surah Al-Fatihah in the third Rak'ah.
   • After the second prostration in the third Rak'ah, recite the Tashahhud and Salat al-Ibrahimiyyah.
3. Tasleem: Conclude the prayer with Tasleem.

5. Isha Prayer​

Isha consists of 4 Rak'ahs, performed similarly to Dhuhr and Asr.

Additional Recommendations​

• Sunnah and Nafl Prayers: Along with the obligatory prayers, performing additional Sunnah (voluntary) and Nafl (supererogatory) prayers is highly recommended.
• Dhikr and Du'a: Engage in Dhikr (remembrance of Allah) and Du'a (supplication) after completing the prayer.

References to Hadith​

• Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim: The details of Salah are primarily derived from authentic Hadith collections such as Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, where the Prophet's companions described his method of prayer.

 

[Wake up Pak]

1. Fajr Prayer​

Fajr consists of 2 Rak'ahs (units of prayer).

Steps:​

1. Intention (Niyyah): Intend in your heart that you are about to perform the Fajr prayer for the sake of Allah.
2. Takbir: Raise your hands to your ears and say "Allahu Akbar" (Allah is the Greatest).
3. Standing (Qiyam): Recite Surah Al-Fatihah (the Opening) and then a portion of the Quran (e.g., Surah Al-Ikhlas).
4. Ruku (Bowing): Bow down, placing your hands on your knees, and say "Subhana Rabbiyal Adheem" (Glory is to my Lord, the Most Great) three times.
5. Standing: Rise from Ruku and say "Sami'Allahu liman hamidah" (Allah hears those who praise Him). Follow this by "Rabbana wa lakal hamd" (Our Lord, and to You be all praise).
6. Sujood (Prostration): Prostrate and say "Subhana Rabbiyal A'la" (Glory is to my Lord, the Most High) three times.
7. Sitting: Sit briefly and then prostrate again.
8. Second Rak'ah: Repeat steps 3-7 for the second Rak'ah.
9. Tashahhud: Sit and recite the Tashahhud and Salat al-Ibrahimiyyah (salutation upon the Prophet).
10. Tasleem: Turn your head to the right and say "Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah" (Peace and mercy of Allah be upon you), then to the left and repeat.

2. Dhuhr Prayer​

Dhuhr consists of 4 Rak'ahs.

Steps:​

1. First Two Rak'ahs: Follow the steps for Fajr prayer, including the recitations and positions.
2. Second Two Rak'ahs:
   • After the second prostration in the second Rak'ah, stand up without reciting the Tashahhud and continue to the third and fourth Rak'ahs.
   • In the third and fourth Rak'ahs, recite only Surah Al-Fatihah.
   • After the second prostration in the fourth Rak'ah, recite the Tashahhud and Salat al-Ibrahimiyyah.
3. Tasleem: Conclude the prayer with Tasleem.

3. Asr Prayer​

Asr consists of 4 Rak'ahs, performed similarly to Dhuhr.

4. Maghrib Prayer​

Maghrib consists of 3 Rak'ahs.

Steps:​

1. First Two Rak'ahs: Follow the steps for Fajr prayer, including the recitations and positions.
2. Third Rak'ah:After the second prostration in the second Rak'ah, stand up and continue to the third Rak'ah.
   • Recite only Surah Al-Fatihah in the third Rak'ah.
   • After the second prostration in the third Rak'ah, recite the Tashahhud and Salat al-Ibrahimiyyah.
3. Tasleem: Conclude the prayer with Tasleem.

5. Isha Prayer​

Isha consists of 4 Rak'ahs, performed similarly to Dhuhr and Asr.

Additional Recommendations​

• Sunnah and Nafl Prayers: Along with the obligatory prayers, performing additional Sunnah (voluntary) and Nafl (supererogatory) prayers is highly recommended.
• Dhikr and Du'a: Engage in Dhikr (remembrance of Allah) and Du'a (supplication) after completing the prayer.

References to Hadith​

• Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim: The details of Salah are primarily derived from authentic Hadith collections such as Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, where the Prophet's companions described his method of prayer.

I give up on you.

 

[Wake up Pak]

1. Fajr Prayer​

Fajr consists of 2 Rak'ahs (units of prayer).

Steps:​

1. Intention (Niyyah): Intend in your heart that you are about to perform the Fajr prayer for the sake of Allah.
2. Takbir: Raise your hands to your ears and say "Allahu Akbar" (Allah is the Greatest).
3. Standing (Qiyam): Recite Surah Al-Fatihah (the Opening) and then a portion of the Quran (e.g., Surah Al-Ikhlas).
4. Ruku (Bowing): Bow down, placing your hands on your knees, and say "Subhana Rabbiyal Adheem" (Glory is to my Lord, the Most Great) three times.
5. Standing: Rise from Ruku and say "Sami'Allahu liman hamidah" (Allah hears those who praise Him). Follow this by "Rabbana wa lakal hamd" (Our Lord, and to You be all praise).
6. Sujood (Prostration): Prostrate and say "Subhana Rabbiyal A'la" (Glory is to my Lord, the Most High) three times.
7. Sitting: Sit briefly and then prostrate again.
8. Second Rak'ah: Repeat steps 3-7 for the second Rak'ah.
9. Tashahhud: Sit and recite the Tashahhud and Salat al-Ibrahimiyyah (salutation upon the Prophet).
10. Tasleem: Turn your head to the right and say "Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah" (Peace and mercy of Allah be upon you), then to the left and repeat.

2. Dhuhr Prayer​

Dhuhr consists of 4 Rak'ahs.

Steps:​

1. First Two Rak'ahs: Follow the steps for Fajr prayer, including the recitations and positions.
2. Second Two Rak'ahs:
   • After the second prostration in the second Rak'ah, stand up without reciting the Tashahhud and continue to the third and fourth Rak'ahs.
   • In the third and fourth Rak'ahs, recite only Surah Al-Fatihah.
   • After the second prostration in the fourth Rak'ah, recite the Tashahhud and Salat al-Ibrahimiyyah.
3. Tasleem: Conclude the prayer with Tasleem.

3. Asr Prayer​

Asr consists of 4 Rak'ahs, performed similarly to Dhuhr.

4. Maghrib Prayer​

Maghrib consists of 3 Rak'ahs.

Steps:​

1. First Two Rak'ahs: Follow the steps for Fajr prayer, including the recitations and positions.
2. Third Rak'ah:After the second prostration in the second Rak'ah, stand up and continue to the third Rak'ah.
   • Recite only Surah Al-Fatihah in the third Rak'ah.
   • After the second prostration in the third Rak'ah, recite the Tashahhud and Salat al-Ibrahimiyyah.
3. Tasleem: Conclude the prayer with Tasleem.

5. Isha Prayer​

Isha consists of 4 Rak'ahs, performed similarly to Dhuhr and Asr.

Additional Recommendations​

• Sunnah and Nafl Prayers: Along with the obligatory prayers, performing additional Sunnah (voluntary) and Nafl (supererogatory) prayers is highly recommended.
• Dhikr and Du'a: Engage in Dhikr (remembrance of Allah) and Du'a (supplication) after completing the prayer.

References to Hadith​

• Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim: The details of Salah are primarily derived from authentic Hadith collections such as Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, where the Prophet's companions described his method of prayer.

I have a simple question: If all the narrators were Muslim, why didn't a single narrator provide complete details on how to perform Namaz?

 

[Cyber_Security]

I have a simple question: If all the narrators were Muslim, why didn't a single narrator provide complete details on how to perform Namaz?

Because there were many sahaba so there were many narrators. I specifically told you that the Namaz procedure above is taken from Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.