Have No Position on Kashmir Issue: Arab League

[crankthskunk]

It is very much part of India and will remain so.

Show it in the UN resolution where it says Kashmir is part of India?

 

[crankthskunk]

As far accession is concerned take it with lord Mountbatten who accepted the document.

Produce the actual letter of accession. Indian whole case is based on fraud, get a life. For 63 years Indian have failed to produce this letter.

 

[Unicorn]

This is the actual resolution;



What you produced were the recommendations not the actual resolution. Resolution affirmed the earlier resolutions of January and asks to create conditions for free and impartial plebiscite. This never done by India. You still have over 700000 military men in Kashmir against the will of the people. They are fighting against you not against Pakistan. So from whom they want freedom, and out of their area? Against the resolution, you call Kashmir an integral part of India, even though UN recognised it as a disputed territory and wants a free and fair plebiscite.

Free and impartial, do you understand this? Let the Kashmirs free, they are the ones who are fighting you for over 63 years and demanding you leave their area.

If you don't call this as an agreement by both countries than I give up. Give me a date when Pakistan informed UN that it had withdrawn its troops.

*RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND PAKISTAN ON 13 AUGUST 1948. (DOCUMENT NO. S/1100, PARA 75, DATED THE 9TH NOVEMBER, 1948)
THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND PAKISTAN
Having given careful consideration to the points of view expressed by the Representatives of India and Pakistan regarding the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and
Being of the opinion that the prompt cessation of hostilities and the coercion of conditions the continuance of which is likely to endanger international peace and security are essential to implementation of its endeavors to assist the Governments of India and Pakistan in effecting a final settlement of the situation.
Resolves to submit simultaneously to the Governments of India and Pakistan the following proposal

PART I​

CEASE-FIRE ORDER

1. The Governments of India and Pakistan agree that their respective High Commands will issue separately and simultaneously a cease- fire order to apply to all forces under their control in the State of Jammu and Kashmir as of the earliest practicable date or dates to be mutually agreed upon within four days after these proposals have been accepted by both Governments.
2. The High Commands of Indian and Pakistan forces agreed to refrain from taking any measures that might augment the military potential of the forces under their control in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. (For the purpose of these proposals "forces under their control shall be considered to include all forces, organized and unorganized, fighting or participating in hostilities on their respective sides).
3. The Commanders-in-Chief of the Forces of India and Pakistan shall promptly confer regarding any necessary local changes in present dispositions which may facilitate the cease-fire.
4. In its discretions and as the Commission may find practicable, the Commission will appoint military observers who under the authority of the Commission and with the co-operation of both Commands will supervise the observance of the cease-fire order.
5. The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan agree to appeal to their respective peoples to assist in creating and maintaining an atmosphere favorable to the promotion of further negotiations.

PART II​

TRUCE AGREEMENT
Simultaneously with the acceptance of the proposal for the immediate cessation of hostilities as outlined in Part I, both Governments accept the following principles as a basis for the formulation of a truce agreement, the details of which shall be worked out in discussion between their Representatives and the Commission.

1. (l) As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State.

(2) The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavor to secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistan nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting.
(3) Pending a final solution the territory evacuated by the Pakistan troops will be administered by the local authorities under the surveillance of the Commission.

1. (1) When the Commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistan nationals referred to in Part II A 2 hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistan forces are being withdrawn from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to begin to withdraw the bulk of their forces from the State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission

(2) Pending the acceptance of the conditions for a final settlement of the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Government will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of cease-fire the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the Commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the observance of law and order. The Commission will have observers stationed where it deems necessary.
(3) The Government of India will undertake to ensure that the Government of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will take all measures within their power to make it publicly known that peace, law and order will be safeguarded and that all human and political rights will be guaranteed.

1. (1) Upon signature, the full text of the Truce Agreement or communiqu containing the principles thereof as agreed upon between the two Governments and the Commission, will be made public.

 

[Unicorn]

Well than the question is does India wants peace or it does not, let us not beat arround the bush and make peace without delay , one human killed is one too many. Delaying tectics will one day may bring caos, Kashmirias have had enough so make peace as per the wishes of kashmiris. Biggest Democray should put its money where its mouth is.

As for as withdrawl is cioncerned It is wrong to blame Pakistan unilateerally, Pakistan is a party and in any decision Pakistan's input is extremely vital before final dicision all matter can and should be opened and discussed as needed. and than clarified, as for Arabs are concerned we will do the right thing as Muslims .

Yes ultimately it should be up to Kashmiries. Its a fact that India and Pakistan see each other as enemies and the matter is more complicated after so many wars. I do not believe India will leave Kashmir because it sees Kashmir as stragtic point. I do not agree with this attitude of govt than again people like me are minority I hope the Govt shows some flexibility.

In the mean time you can eliminate terrorists on your side of the border so that path to peace becomes easy. I would like to see peace return to the region during my lifetime.

 

[crankthskunk]

(2) The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavor to secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistan nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting.

This is for the tribesmen and Pakistani nationals fighting in the held Jammu and Kashmir. Not resident there. Those in Pakistani Kashmir were the resident of the area and still are the resident of the area. It only calls for best endeavour, Pakistan withdraw the tribesmen from the Valley, it did not say, Kashmiris have to be withdrawn. Have you forgotten Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris?

If Pakistan did not show its best endeavor you wouldn't be sitting in the Held Kashmir.

This is a mistake Pakistanis regret until today. We should have never stop the fighting, and should have continued it until Indians were obliged to conduct the referendum or thrown out of held Kashmir.

Similarly, the Pakistani army was on the control line and still is, the resolution didnt call for withdrawal of Army from the control line, if it was the case, Indian Army had to withdraw too. You can not have two rules for two countries.

You should read the first part of the recommendation. Ceasefire was on actual line of control. Otherwise why would be the need for observers, if Pakistan to withdraw from the part which was under its control?

Read these properly;

1.1) When the Commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistan nationals referred to in Part II A 2 hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistan forces are being withdrawn from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to begin to withdraw the bulk of their forces from the State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission.

(2) Pending the acceptance of the conditions for a final settlement of the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Government will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of cease-fire the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the Commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the observance of law and order. The Commission will have observers stationed where it deems necessary.

Do you read, the above said clearly line existing, at the moment of ceasefire i.e. control lines. It was India which was made to stay behind the control line and only to help local government of Kashmir in maintaining law and order and withdraw after the referendum.

(3) The Government of India will undertake to ensure that the Government of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will take all measures within their power to make it publicly known that peace, law and order will be safeguarded and that all human and political rights will be guaranteed.

Human rights protected, you can't see this can you?


1.1 is referring only to A2 which was withdrawal of tribesmen. Indian point of view was Indian forces were there because of tribesmen. Why didnt India said, Kashmir was integral part of India to the UN? Why it used the excuse the forces are there because of tribesmen?

If Pakistan did not withdraw it forces and tribesmen from the occupied Kashmir, the situation would have been different. The Indian forces were only in the occupied Kashmir. Not in the liberated Kashmir. Pakistan did withdraw from the held Kashmir.

India had to maintain only minimum force for the Law and order, not hundred of thousands of army to control and abuse Kashmiris.

UN said it will place observers where deemed necessary, they are still operational on actual line of control.

 

[Imranpak]

Actually almost half of Kashmir is an integral part of Pakistan and will inshallah remain so until the end of time, there is not a thing that India can do about it!!(clap)(clap)

The attached report has received little attention anywhere so must have been passed by the Indian media posing as Arab's themselves;):lol:

Pak has never depended on any Arab nation and why should we when they don't even have a policy on the occupation of Palestine. We should distance ourselves from the Arab's and improve Pakistan, they're not our problem either.

 

[terex]

India doesnt need any approval from dumb arab world!!
india should openly support israel and distance itself from muslim world!!

We need to put sanctions on any muslim country who tries to intervene in our internal affairs!!

 

[Unicorn]

This is a mistake Pakistanis regret until today. We should have never stop the fighting, and should have continued it until Indians were obliged to conduct the referendum or thrown out of held Kashmir.

Read these properly;

I have read it you can add whatever you like in it. If you made a mistake than learn to live with it.

I believe the second mistake you made was in 1965 with operation Jibralter and should have continued fighting.

 

[IndiaGuy]

Actually almost half of Kashmir is an integral part of Pakistan and will inshallah remain so until the end of time, there is not a thing that India can do about it!!(clap)(clap)

The attached report has received little attention anywhere so must have been passed by the Indian media posing as Arab's themselves;):lol:

Pak has never depended on any Arab nation and why should we when they don't even have a policy on the occupation of Palestine. We should distance ourselves from the Arab's and improve Pakistan, they're not our problem either.

Just to correct you that Pakistan Occupied only 1/3 of Kashmir and not 1/2.

 

[crankthskunk]

I have read it you can add whatever you like in it. If you made a mistake than learn to live with it.

I believe the second mistake you made was in 1965 with operation Jibralter and should have continued fighting.

We are living with it and regretting it; why we didn't push and thrown the Indian out completely for the good measures, knowing your treacherous nature, we should not have stopped. Try teaching this to the Muslims of the occupied Kashmir, they are the one who want you out at all cost and are paying with their blood and lives to kick you out.

Lets face it, that paper of accession was a fraud, until this day, India has never produced that letter. The timing of that letter proves that it was forged document, no wonder Indian would never produce it.

It is proven that according to the united nation record, India is an occupier who should have hold the referendum and get out giving the people of Kashmir freedom of choice. Indian was to maintain only minimal force for administration and law and order to carry out the referendum. Indian army is illegally in Kashmir against the UN resolution. Its army is carrying out atrocities on Kashmiri people.

Kashmir is not an integral part of India, it is a lie Indian invented to fool their population. According to the UN resolution Kashmiris have to decide their own fate.

And you Mr are a liar to say, UN resolution has lapsed or withdrawn or not in force. It is another lie together with your lies to blame Pakistan. You are exposed, job done, good bye.

 

[Unicorn]

We are living with it and regretting it; why we didn't push and thrown the Indian out completely for the good measures, knowing your treacherous nature, we should not have stopped. Try teaching this to the Muslims of the occupied Kashmir, they are the one who want you out at all cost and are paying with their blood and lives to kick you out.

Lets face it, that paper of accession was a fraud, until this day, India has never produced that letter. The timing of that letter proves that it was forged document, no wonder Indian would never produce it.

It is proven that according to the united nation record, India is an occupier who should have hold the referendum and get out giving the people of Kashmir freedom of choice. Indian was to maintain only minimal force for administration and law and order to carry out the referendum. Indian army is illegally in Kashmir against the UN resolution. Its army is carrying out atrocities on Kashmiri people.

Kashmir is not an integral part of India, it is a lie Indian invented to fool their population. According to the UN resolution Kashmiris have to decide their own fate.

And you Mr are a liar to say, UN resolution has lapsed or withdrawn or not in force. It is another lie together with your lies to blame Pakistan. You are exposed, job done, good bye.

When did I say it has lapsed or withdrawn I used the word void. People of Kashmir can hold the position that UN resolution is valid. Pakistan is no longer in a Position to say that it signed the accord stating that the issue to be resolved by-latterly.

 

[crankthskunk]

When did I say it has lapsed or withdrawn I used the word void. People of Kashmir can hold the position that UN resolution is valid. Pakistan is no longer in a Position to say that it signed the accord stating that the issue to be resolved by-latterly.

Yeah, and how some thing can be void, if it is passed by an authority? Does constitution becomes void after lapse of time? No, unless something is withdrawn, changed, it can not become void.

The attempts Pakistan made to resolve the issue can not be construct as voiding the resolutions. Bi-lateral attempts and measures and recommendations were included in the resolution, to work towards the referendum.

You started your posts based on blatant lies, first the resolution is void, second the letter of accession, Kashmir is integral part of India, leveling false accusations that Pakistan did not follow the resolution thus it became void. You are caught on all accounts, enough of your lies.

 

[ASQR1]

Shame uni for telling me to throw my history book in garbage when you are talking garbage in his post by falsely writing parts from so called U.N. resolution, what a concocted story.