Hacking into brasstacks (Zaid Hamid) admin

[furry87]

Re: Hacking into brasstacks(Zaid Hamid) admin

yaar furry87 hamain bhi chicken karahi khila do. Sirf ZH ko hi kyun ? [wall]
promise i will pay 50/50 . [pk flag]

lol promise unhon ne bhi yehi kia tha :P..tum india se yahan kahan ao ge karai khanay haha :)

 

[furry87]

Re: Revolt by brasstacks(Zaid Hamid) admin

lol Wa laikum salam , who would that be ?? its not zaid hamid sahab is he ,he still owes me 235 ruppes for the chicken karai.

I wish you hadnt joked about Rs235. Now fasadis will claim ZH doesnt pay his way at meals...another opportunity for the fasadis


It was Gulzar who sent salam to you. I would love to have dinner/lunch with ZH but *** sigh *** I are too far in Canada[/quote]

Lol well u must come back then karai will be on me inshallah.

 

[biomat]

Re: Hacking into brasstacks(Zaid Hamid) admin

Assalam-o-alaikum
v strange..
Recently i am also watching both zaidhamidexposition & official facebook.
i have watched some changes in current situation.
a) where r his companions which were always with him in programs like ali & that lady.
b) Ahmed Quraishi's explaination about Mr Zaid stance..
c) Asif sheraz publishes his video asking Zaid Hamid clarification
d) Another organiser of takmeel function in lahore ask Zaid Hamid for clarification on his official facebook
e) Now this official facebook is revolted..
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I think there are some serious problems with in BT & Takmeel team...
I think Mr Zaid is going too fast to accomplish his goal (ALLAH knows better), too many problems & errors at once.. (like false claims about dr israr, Maulana Abdur Rehman, jamia ashrafia maulana mistake, Mufti Ghulam Sarwar Qadri..)
My request to all muslim brothers & sisters to recite dua taught to us by our beloved prophet Hazrat Muahammad PBUH.. (ABU DAWOOD)
Allaahumma inna najaluka fi nuhoorihim wa naoodhu bika min shuroorihim
(i will try to get arabic text soon)..
????????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ??????????? ???????? ???? ???? ???????????
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Last request to sis admin try to be neutral.. I respect your efforts as volunteer & responsibilities given to u by siasat.pk.. Jaza-k-ALLAH..

 

[msohailshah]

Re: Hacking into brasstacks(Zaid Hamid) admin

yaar furry87 hamain bhi chicken karahi khila do. Sirf ZH ko hi kyun ? [wall]
promise i will pay 50/50 . [pk flag]

lol promise unhon ne bhi yehi kia tha :P..tum india se yahan kahan ao ge karai khanay haha :)

Iss joke kay baad abhi aap ko puri payment karn ho gi , aur chicken ki nahin gosht karahi chalay gi . [funnny]

 

[furry87]

Re: Hacking into brasstacks(Zaid Hamid) admin

yaar furry87 hamain bhi chicken karahi khila do. Sirf ZH ko hi kyun ? [wall]
promise i will pay 50/50 . [pk flag]

lol promise unhon ne bhi yehi kia tha ..tum india se yahan kahan ao ge karai khanay haha :)

Iss joke kay baad abhi aap ko puri payment karn ho gi , aur chicken ki nahin gosht karahi chalay gi . [funnny]

lol kaun sa gosht :P

 

[gazoomartian]

Re: Hacking into brasstacks(Zaid Hamid) admin

yaar furry87 hamain bhi chicken karahi khila do. Sirf ZH ko hi kyun ? [wall]
promise i will pay 50/50 . [pk flag]

lol promise unhon ne bhi yehi kia tha ..tum india se yahan kahan ao ge karai khanay haha :)

Iss joke kay baad abhi aap ko puri payment karn ho gi , aur chicken ki nahin gosht karahi chalay gi .

lol kaun sa gosht :P

BEEEEEEEEEEEF what else [hilar]

 

[furry87]

Re: Hacking into brasstacks(Zaid Hamid) admin

yaar furry87 hamain bhi chicken karahi khila do. Sirf ZH ko hi kyun ? [wall]
promise i will pay 50/50 . [pk flag]

lol promise unhon ne bhi yehi kia tha ..tum india se yahan kahan ao ge karai khanay haha

Iss joke kay baad abhi aap ko puri payment karn ho gi , aur chicken ki nahin gosht karahi chalay gi .

lol kaun sa gosht :P

BEEEEEEEEEEEF what else [hilar]

lol shhhhhh gazooo ussay bolne do wo shahid chuhay ka bhi khata ho haha :P

 

[msohailshah]

Re: Hacking into brasstacks(Zaid Hamid) admin

Nahin gazoo nay sahih kaha Abhi sirf beef ki karahi chalay gi . [pk flag]

 

[furry87]

Re: Hacking into brasstacks(Zaid Hamid) admin

Nahin gazoo nay sahih kaha Abhi sirf beef ki karahi chalay gi . [pk flag]

chalo kia yaad karo ke tumharey liye special bail khareedun ga...karong town ,isb welcome anytime

 

[gazoomartian]

Re: Hacking into brasstacks(Zaid Hamid) admin

Nahin gazoo nay sahih kaha Abhi sirf beef ki karahi chalay gi . [pk flag]

chalo kia yaad karo ke tumharey liye special bail khareedun ga...karong town ,isb welcome anytime

I love mouse, microsoft mouse that is [hilar]

 

[shahqais]

Re: Hacking into brasstacks(Zaid Hamid) admin

What a desperate effort to save ZH by moderator after changing the title.Please see my complete response at http://www.siasat.pk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=19582

Even if it is true then this is not something the preachers of Islam can be proud of.Hacking is like Dacoity and no muslim can be happy let alone the maulivis who claim to follow The Rasool Hazrat Mohammad(SAWWS).

 

[wsher]

Main aaj yahan aik discussion kerna chahta hoon. Main chahoon ga ke aap sab urdu mein jawab dein ta ke jin logon ko English samajh nahi aati woh aasani se samajh sakein. Mere kuch sawal hain aap sab se jo main aik Musalman bhai ke tor pe poochna chahta hoon.

Kya yeh jaaiz hai ke kisi musalman pe kufr ka fatwa de diya jaye jab ke woh insane sab ke samney aa ke apne aqeedey ka ayelaan ker de?

Kya yeh jaaiz hai ke hum ucc insane ko sunaney ke baad be ucc ke khilaaf propaganda kerte rahein?

Kya yeh kisi Musalman ko ijaazat deta hai ke jo maamlaat Allah aur aik insane ke beech ke hain un mein dakhal andaazi karey?

Jab aik Musalman Khilafat ki baat karey Allah ke deen ki serparasti ki baat karey kya yeh jaaiz hai ke hum ucc ki mukhalfat karein?

Mera aik sawal jo sab se ahem hai Jaamat e Islami se hai ke inn logon ko yeh haq kiss ne diya key eh kisi insane pe kufr ka fatwa lagayein? Yeh khud tu Zardari jaise logon ke saath mil ke government banatey hain corruption mein be involve hain aur aaj tak in mein se kisi ne hakoomat ke khilaf awaz e haq buland nahi ki? Aaj tak in mein se kisi ne hakoomat se alag honey ke liye asteefa nahi diya? Inhon ne ghareef awam se saath kitna acha salook kiya hai?

Pehle tu yeh loog yeh daawa kerte rahe ke Zaid Hamid hakoomat ke saath mila hua hai lekin yeh baat kitni bewakoofana hai jo insane be aisi hakoomat ko support karey ga woh in ki so called democracy ki baat karey ga na ke Khilafat ki?

Aur yeh loog khud kyon bhaag bhaag ke gaye Shehbaz Sharif ke paas ta ke NOC cancel kerwaya jaye Zaid Hamid ke mission ka?

Let us suppose ager hum Zaid Hamid ka saath dete hain aur woh icc mulak mein Nizaam e Khilafat qaim ker de aur icc mulak ko Allah ke qanoon ke mutabik bana de tu humein aur kya chahye?

Zaid Hamid kya ker sakta hai icc government se zayada bura kya ho ga?

Akhari aur ahem sawal ager Zaid Hamid itna hi bura hai tu Indians ucc ke itne khilaaf kyon hain? Woh kyon mer rahe hain ucc ka naam sun sun ke?


Allah pe barosa karein mere bhai aur Allah sab ke dilon ka haal jananey wala hai kuch faisley Allah pe chorein. Jo maamley Allah aur aik insane ke dermiyaan hain ucc se door rahein. Apni neeyat theek ker lein aur Amal ka daar o midaar niyaton pe hai.

Allah hum sab ko hidayat de! Ameen

 

[shahqais]

@wsher
Main Issue with zaid hamid is his association with yousaf kazzab and how he is defending it.I am not against his mission of Takmeel-e-Pakistan.I love my country.

Meray bhai Most of your questions are answered here. The content has been taken for the following link.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/topic.php?uid=244922893101&topic=14035



1. Why all Ulemas relied on the News of khabren and gave fatwa against Yousuf Kazzab.

Answer: Ulema give fatwa when an issue is placed in front of them. E.g. I can ask an aalim to give a fatawa on whether if asim lends me 10,000 rupees and asks for 1100 back next month, is this riba or not. If an alim gives fatawa that this is riba, this does not mean Asim actually lent me that money. Maybe he did not. Ulema job is not to investigate, but to give fatwa that "IF" yusuf said this and this as reported, does he qualify to become a kazzab or not. That is the fatwa that they gave.

Any alim, today, would give the same fatwa i.e. if a person says "Ana muhammad", and by that statement, means (naozubillah) Muhammad Rasul Allah (sm), then he is kazzab. The jurisdiction of the fatwa is only theoretical. This is what they said.

The application of this fatwa on kazzab yusuf was decided by the court, after validating from multiple witnesses that yusuf, in fact, actually said that to multiple people. A person very close to me actually validated this fact from the witnesses. The same witnesses disclosed to khabrain. The same witnesses said so in court. Some of those witnesses are still alive. To say that ulema relied on false news of khabrain and other newspapers is all rubbish. No doubt zia shahid was a black mailer, but he black mailed only those against whom he had collected evidences. The devil laughs when one theif robs another. Zia shahid's corruption does not absolve yusuf of what he used to claim and say. The witness against yusuf of this fact are many. Zaid himself has never denied, and never can deny, in specific terms, that yusuf never said "ana muhammad". Privately phone kar ke pooch lain zaid bhai say ke yusuf yeh kehta tha ya naheen. Fatwa was only about this statement. That fatwa still holds. That fatwa can be validated by any contemporary scholar also i.e. if a person says "I am Muhammad" is he a kazzab or not. All ulema say yes to this, that he would be.

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2. What is your opinion about the those Ulema who are supporting Zaid Hamid?

Answer: "Supporting" zaid hamid is a very vague statement. There is not a single aalim who supports yusuf kazzab. There is not a single aalim who says that saying "ana muhammad" does not make you a kazzab. If some alim takes a photo session with Zaid, that does not imply he is absolving yusuf, or condoning Zaid's hesitance towards calling yusuf a kazzab. Please give me phone number or show you tube biyan of any one aalim who says yusuf was NOT a kazzab. That means in this issue, no aalim supports him.

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3. Give here a single statement or act i repeat any stem,ent or act by Zaid Hamid where he said "Follow Yousuf Ali".

His act of trying to "absolve" yusuf of kazzabiat to such an extent that he compromised takmeel mission for it, casts doubt over his intentions. Other than that, so far there is no direct statement from him to follow yusuf. But that does not mean anything. If you want to follow him because he hasn't said anything "for" yusuf, then its fine. We stopped following him because he hasn't said anything "against" yusuf either. That is our choice.

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4. What are the requirement to be a Muslim?

To believe in the Kalimah, which includes considering hazrat Muhammad (sm) Bin Abdullah as Rasul Allah. If anyone considers Muhemmed Yusuf Ali as Rasul Allah, or a physical manifestation of him, then that casts doubt on his being muslim also. Muhemmed Yusuf Ali used to call himsef Rasul Allah, and Zaid has never said he is kazzab, which means Zaid believes in this. Irrespective of whether this makes him a muslim or not a muslim, it makes him doubtful.

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5. Proof from Quran and Sunnah that Zaid Hamid is not Muslim...

"Ma kaana Muhammad un abaa ahadin min rijaal ul wa lakin rasul Allah e wa khatam an nabiyeen...".

This verse specifically establishes Muhammad bin Abdullah as the last Prophet(sm) and anyone who believes Muhemmed Yusuf Ali was ALSO a manifestation of Muhammad Rasul Allah, is in opposition to this verse of the Quran, and hence not a muslim. I'm not saying zaid believes it this way which makes him a non-muslim. I am saying if he does not specifically state that he does not, than people have legitimate reason to "doubt" him, which they do, and because of which they have left him, and many are leaving. Its not for us to decide if zaid's a muslim or not. Its for us to make reasonable, responsible judgement on who is being honest and truthful and who is not.


There is a lot more to this issue, which brasstacks is not disclosing. If nothing else, at least they are not being honest, and do not trust the good judgement of their own fan base, which is practically an insult to all of you which you do not realize. If everything about yusuf is clean and he was a great sufi scholar, why not do a program about him and disclose all facts about him, along with their explanations?

 

[wsher]

@wsher
Main Issue with zaid hamid is his association with yousaf kazzab and how he is defending it.I am not against his mission of Takmeel-e-Pakistan.I love my country.

Meray bhai Most of your questions are answered here. The content has been taken for the following link.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/topic.php?uid=244922893101&topic=14035






1. Why all Ulemas relied on the News of khabren and gave fatwa against Yousuf Kazzab.

Answer: Ulema give fatwa when an issue is placed in front of them. E.g. I can ask an aalim to give a fatawa on whether if asim lends me 10,000 rupees and asks for 1100 back next month, is this riba or not. If an alim gives fatawa that this is riba, this does not mean Asim actually lent me that money. Maybe he did not. Ulema job is not to investigate, but to give fatwa that "IF" yusuf said this and this as reported, does he qualify to become a kazzab or not. That is the fatwa that they gave.

Any alim, today, would give the same fatwa i.e. if a person says "Ana muhammad", and by that statement, means (naozubillah) Muhammad Rasul Allah (sm), then he is kazzab. The jurisdiction of the fatwa is only theoretical. This is what they said.

The application of this fatwa on kazzab yusuf was decided by the court, after validating from multiple witnesses that yusuf, in fact, actually said that to multiple people. A person very close to me actually validated this fact from the witnesses. The same witnesses disclosed to khabrain. The same witnesses said so in court. Some of those witnesses are still alive. To say that ulema relied on false news of khabrain and other newspapers is all rubbish. No doubt zia shahid was a black mailer, but he black mailed only those against whom he had collected evidences. The devil laughs when one theif robs another. Zia shahid's corruption does not absolve yusuf of what he used to claim and say. The witness against yusuf of this fact are many. Zaid himself has never denied, and never can deny, in specific terms, that yusuf never said "ana muhammad". Privately phone kar ke pooch lain zaid bhai say ke yusuf yeh kehta tha ya naheen. Fatwa was only about this statement. That fatwa still holds. That fatwa can be validated by any contemporary scholar also i.e. if a person says "I am Muhammad" is he a kazzab or not. All ulema say yes to this, that he would be.

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2. What is your opinion about the those Ulema who are supporting Zaid Hamid?

Answer: "Supporting" zaid hamid is a very vague statement. There is not a single aalim who supports yusuf kazzab. There is not a single aalim who says that saying "ana muhammad" does not make you a kazzab. If some alim takes a photo session with Zaid, that does not imply he is absolving yusuf, or condoning Zaid's hesitance towards calling yusuf a kazzab. Please give me phone number or show you tube biyan of any one aalim who says yusuf was NOT a kazzab. That means in this issue, no aalim supports him.

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3. Give here a single statement or act i repeat any stem,ent or act by Zaid Hamid where he said "Follow Yousuf Ali".

His act of trying to "absolve" yusuf of kazzabiat to such an extent that he compromised takmeel mission for it, casts doubt over his intentions. Other than that, so far there is no direct statement from him to follow yusuf. But that does not mean anything. If you want to follow him because he hasn't said anything "for" yusuf, then its fine. We stopped following him because he hasn't said anything "against" yusuf either. That is our choice.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

4. What are the requirement to be a Muslim?

To believe in the Kalimah, which includes considering hazrat Muhammad (sm) Bin Abdullah as Rasul Allah. If anyone considers Muhemmed Yusuf Ali as Rasul Allah, or a physical manifestation of him, then that casts doubt on his being muslim also. Muhemmed Yusuf Ali used to call himsef Rasul Allah, and Zaid has never said he is kazzab, which means Zaid believes in this. Irrespective of whether this makes him a muslim or not a muslim, it makes him doubtful.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

5. Proof from Quran and Sunnah that Zaid Hamid is not Muslim...

"Ma kaana Muhammad un abaa ahadin min rijaal ul wa lakin rasul Allah e wa khatam an nabiyeen...".

This verse specifically establishes Muhammad bin Abdullah as the last Prophet(sm) and anyone who believes Muhemmed Yusuf Ali was ALSO a manifestation of Muhammad Rasul Allah, is in opposition to this verse of the Quran, and hence not a muslim. I'm not saying zaid believes it this way which makes him a non-muslim. I am saying if he does not specifically state that he does not, than people have legitimate reason to "doubt" him, which they do, and because of which they have left him, and many are leaving. Its not for us to decide if zaid's a muslim or not. Its for us to make reasonable, responsible judgement on who is being honest and truthful and who is not.


There is a lot more to this issue, which brasstacks is not disclosing. If nothing else, at least they are not being honest, and do not trust the good judgement of their own fan base, which is practically an insult to all of you which you do not realize. If everything about yusuf is clean and he was a great sufi scholar, why not do a program about him and disclose all facts about him, along with their explanations?

I am very scared to Allah while speaking about such issues all I pray to Allah that my intention is not wrong and I do not interfere in anyone's belief. I dont know you might be a better muslims who knows except Allah.

All I am trying to say is Zaid Hamid has announced his aqeeda very wide and clear being a muslim I have no right to question him any further. I should rather look on the work he wants to do which is great prevailing Khilafat and existence of Islamic state.

You know what I must say something to you the issues of religion are very sensitive and they entirly between Allah and a human being we should not interfere between them. We should look on how good we are.

And lets suppose even if Zaid Hamid is wrong what damage he can bring to the country I am sure it wont be more than this current setup made up so called Ulemas of Jamat e Islami.

Therefore I believe I would support him. He never said anything against my beliefs so yes I am going to support him with open minded. And its time to wake up.