Govt considering to start military training in educational institutions - Haroon Rasheed...

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
WAr was a bad choice for both countries in 65 and 71 and guess what happened. Having a rational leader on both sides if the border and unrealistic and there is a high probability there will be a war in the future especially with right wing gaining power in India.

Fighter jets and tanks are value multiplier but just like Iran Iraq war, most wars between 3rd world countries for atleast another 100 years will be dominated by infantry and land units.

It wasnt that our airforce was lacking in 1965 war but we still lost that war because we were outnumbered 3:1 on the ground. No matter how much damage PAF did to the enemy it is hard to change that reality.

وٹامن سی بھائی آج کل جنگیں ٹینکوں اور گنوں سے نہیں لڑی جاتیں اب میزائل اور مہنگے فائٹر جہاز درکار ہیں جیت کی صورت میں قبضے کے لئے شاید ٹینکوں کی ضرورت پڑے - اب جنگ بہت مہنگا سودا ہے ایک ایک میزائل اور فائٹر طیارہ اتنا مہنگا ہے کہ انسان کی سوچ سے باھر ہے سرحدی جھڑپیں تو چلتی رہیں گی مگر مجھے نہیں لگتا کبھی اب پاکستان انڈیا میں مکمل جنگ ہو گی دونوں ایک دوسرے کی ٹکر کی فوجی طاقتیں ہیں اور دونوں ایٹمی ہتھیار بھی رکھتی ہیں اس لئے ان چیزوں کی موجودگی نے دونوں کو محفوظ بنا دیا ہے جیسے امریکہ اور چین یا امریکہ اور روس کی جنگ نہیں ہو سکتی ہماری بھی نہیں ہو سکتی - امریکہ کو دیکھ لیں وہ افغانستان اور عراق جیسے ملکوں پر حملہ کرتا ہے اور عراق میں بھی پہلے ٹارگٹ کو سوفٹ کر کے پھر جاتا ہے مگر کامیابی پھر بھی نہیں ملتی - چھوٹے موٹے تنازھے تو چلتے رہیں گے مگر مجھے پوری دنیا میں بھی کوئی بڑی جنگ ہوتی نظر نہیں آ رہی - ہر ملک نے اپنے دفاع کے لئے کچھ نہ کچھ بندوبست کر رکھا ہے جو دوسرے کو حملہ کرنے سے روکتا ہے -
 

Awan S

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
WAr was a bad choice for both countries in 65 and 71 and guess what happened. Having a rational leader on both sides if the border and unrealistic and there is a high probability there will be a war in the future especially with right wing gaining power in India.

Fighter jets and tanks are value multiplier but just like Iran Iraq war, most wars between 3rd world countries for atleast another 100 years will be dominated by infantry and land units.

It wasnt that our airforce was lacking in 1965 war but we still lost that war because we were outnumbered 3:1 on the ground. No matter how much damage PAF did to the enemy it is hard to change that reality.
Circumstances were different on two different occasions of 65 and 71. In 65 army started operation Gibraltar in Kashmir and idea was to get Kashmir this way. Indian attacked Pakistan from international border in a reaction. We started the war but our books says something different. In 70, if we have accepted Mujeeb's mandate and given him full Pakistan's power things would have worked well. We used power on Bangalis instead which complicated matter and war was an end. Both wars are very complicated and many books can be written on it. In both cases our army has not acted responsibly although there are many other factors as well.
 

Aslan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Many countries have national service.Young people serve in the armed forces for one year.In UK they used to have it but abolished it.It is a great idea to instill discipline and teach young people different skills.It is good for their mental and physical health.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
In any case, regardless of how it happened, we were not able to contain the Indian army when they responded with force because they out number us on every front.

Circumstances were different on two different occasions of 65 and 71. In 65 army started operation Gibraltar in Kashmir and idea was to get Kashmir this way. Indian attacked Pakistan from international border in a reaction. We started the war but our books says something different. In 70, if we have accepted Mujeeb's mandate and given him full Pakistan's power things would have worked well. We used power on Bangalis instead which complicated matter and war was an end. Both wars are very complicated and many books can be written on it. In both cases our army has not acted responsibly although there are many other factors as well.
 

ali_786

MPA (400+ posts)
North korea Asia mulk hay jahan per ye training 12 saal hay . Hur student lurka huo ya lurki ussay 12 saal Army ko denay purtay hain werna ussay ID card issue nahi hota .
Issi terha South Korea main hur lurkay ko 2 saal ke liay army training school jana purta hay .
Iran main bhi aisa hi hay
Israel bhi aisa hi kerta hay . Aur bohet se countries main ye system hay. Pakistan main bhi hur student ko 1 se 2 saal tuk army training dena chahiay . At least jitnay 2 number tanzeemain b
 

Awan S

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
In any case, regardless of how it happened, we were not able to contain the Indian army when they responded with force because they out number us on every front.
As I have said before there are no chances of war any more and its no use of arms race with India. Whatever we will do India will out number us therefore using our additional resources for army are useless. We should instead cut army budget and ground forces to use money on human services. Maintaining minimum requirement to defend country should always be there but spending big chunk of budget on army is not wise. Pakistan is a small country and cannot do arms race with India therefore human development should be an object now.