Future of Secularism in Islamic world ? know from Javed Ghamidi

Hunain Khalid

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

مسیحی معاشرے میں معاملہ سیکولرازم اور چرچ کے مابین تھا۔ چونکہ چرچ اپنے وُجود کے پیچھے کوئی حقیقی مذہبی استدلال یا ٹھوس بنیاد نہیں رکھتا تھا۔۔ برعکس اسلامی معاشرے میں ایسا کبھی ممکن نہیں ہو پائے گا ۔۔ کیونکہ یہاں معاملہ قرآن بمقابلہ سکولرازم کا ہے۔ اور یہ لوگ ہاری ہوئی جنگ لڑ رہے ہیں۔۔
 

Hunain Khalid

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
غامدی صاحب کے مدلل، دھیمے، شائستہ اور تہذیب یافتہ موقف پر ردعمل دینے کے لیے، ابھی انتہائی مذہبی اور جنت کا سرٹیفیکیٹ پا لینے والی بریگیڈ ابھی حاضر ہو کر گالیوں سے اپنی تربیت دکھائے گی۔
 

Dilljaly

Minister (2k+ posts)
قادیانی غامدی کے پروگرام کو بڑے شوق سے دہکھتے ہیں،پتہ نہیں کیا وجہ ہے
 

Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What about Tunisia ... elected government has turned country into a secular state

Turkey is still a secular state and in few years Erodgan will too meet his democratic end

Azerbaijan, ALbania , Kosovo , Bosnia , Kazakistan , Uzbekistan , Tajikistan , Tukerkmanitan, Kergezia all are secular states

Jews also have their religious book Tohrat with them and still Israel is a secular state not a religious Shariyh


Gamdi said Ata Turk converted Turkey into a secular state by force than it is also true for all Islamic states all of them were also turned into an Islamic states by force too look at Iran and now Iranians are revolting against the Islamic state

Only constant thing is the rule of Karma or Newton's law every action has an equal and opposite reaction

 
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Hunain Khalid

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
قادیانی غامدی کے پروگرام کو بڑے شوق سے دہکھتے ہیں،پتہ نہیں کیا وجہ ہے

اس کی سادہ سی وجہ یہی ہے کہ ۔۔ فرقہ پرست مُلا تو زبان پر گالی رکھ اور مُٹھیاں‌ میچ کر گفتگو کرتے ہیں، ایسے میں‌ ان کی بات سننے کے لیے ان جیسا ہی کوئی جاہل چاہیے ہو گا۔
جبکہ گفتگو کے لیے ضروری یہ ہوتا ہے کہ دلیل سے کی جائے اور تمیز سے کی جائے، ایسے میں غامدی صاحب کی ہی بات قادیانی، عیسائی، یہودی، ہندو، سکھ سب سنتے ہیں۔
 

Hunain Khalid

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What about Tunisia ... elected government has turned country into a secular state

Turkey is still a secular state and in few years Erodgan will too meet his democratic end

The Strange Death of Turkish Secularism

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SahirShah

Minister (2k+ posts)
Turkey is still a Secular country . Erodgan setback in recent elections



And for your kind information Erodgan's party is too secular as per the standards of Paksitan

Watch the strange death of Islamic Iran

What about Tunisia ... elected government has turned country into a secular state

Turkey is still a secular state and in few years Erodgan will too meet his democratic end

Azerbaijan, ALbania , Kosovo , Bosnia , Kazakistan , Uzbekistan , Tajikistan , Tukerkmanitan, Kergezia all are secular states

Jews also have their religious book Tohrat with them and still Israel is a secular state not a religious Shariyh


Gamdi said Ata Turk converted Turkey into a secular state by force than it is also true for all Islamic states all of them were also turned into an Islamic states by force too look at Iran and now Iranians are revolting against the Islamic state

Only constant thing is the rule of Karma or Newton's law every action has an equal and opposite reaction


کیا ہوا جناب ؟ آپ کی پوچھل پر کس بے رحم کا پاؤں آ گیا ؟
غامدی کا ؟
 

fawad ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Modern state cannot differentiate between its citizens on the basis of religion.
Somehow all the religious fundementalists fight for immigration to secular countries like Europe and USA because they believe that despite being in minority they will be given equal opportunities and will not be descriminated. Not a single citizen of secular country applies for citizenship of a religious country. Kia yeh khula tazaad nahe.
 

The_Choice

Senator (1k+ posts)

Although many Muslims today will point out the enemies of Islam, none do so as articulately and as passionately as Shaykh Hamza Yusuf. This is an excellent lecture (recorded pre-2000) followed by a question and answer session, and one of Hamza’s best lectures to date. If you wish to increase your understanding on the forces behind the New World Order (Secularism) in an intellectual rather than an emotional way, this is a brilliant lecture which delivers.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
mullaan islam poses no challenge at all to secularism because mullaans believe islam is a religion=mazhab that has nothing at all to do with needs of mankind. This is why mullaan's five pillars of islam are very different from five pillars of deen of islam. It is because mullaans interpret five pillars in context of mazhab not deen.

A question is to all people (muslims and nonmuslims alike) what has deen of islam to offer humanity that people should accept it and follow it instead of accepting and following mazhab and secularism? If one has not already read what I have explained about the quran and deen of islam one should because otherwise one may not be able to answer in a consistent way the question I raised.

Islam is a deen not mazhab. There is a huge difference between deen of islam and mazhab as well as deen of islam and secularism. No way of life is as good as deen of islam but one can only come to know that once one has studied the message in the quran in its own proper context.

Mullaism is not deen of islam but mazhab and mazhab is a curse for humanity which is worse than secularism. Deen of islam is a top most blessing of God for humanity for this world as well as for hereafter. This is why the quran tells us that whoever has been given knowledge of it has been bestowed with the utmost goodness from God because nothing can match this blessing of God for humanity. Why not? Because it tells people how to live in this world properly. What will happen if people will learn to live in this world properly? Their terrible painful suffering by hands of each other for petty personal gains at each other's expense will come to an end and instead people will ensure well being of each other on basis of human brotherhood.

May be it is time for humanity to start discussing deen of islam as to what it really is. Particularly its pillars. They are not at all what mullahs tell us. Mullahs have been misinterpreting these pillars because they have been working for rulers and money lenders so they have been furthering their agendas as their stooges.

Therefore find out what is meaning of declaration of TOWHEED and what are meanings of words like SALAAH, SOWM, ZAKAAH and HAJJ etc in context of the quranic message and how these terms are related to each other like ideology, society politics, culture and economics or like systems, structures, procedures and practices. Remember deen of islam is a mission assigned by God to humanity through his messengers in form of a program which is supposed to be implemented by mankind for ensuring their own well being with full help and support of each other. This is why it is an education based revolutionary program which needs very hard work by its missionaries.

It is not a pooja of God thing just for sake of it as told by mullahs. No one can change this world merely by pooja of God. One should ask oneself, can pooja of God solve human problems? No, not at all. One can pray to God as much as one likes and nothing will happen till God given program is understood properly and implemented faithfully for solving problems. This is why no mullah has any proper solution for human problems that are related to living in this world properly. No mullah knows how to live in this world properly let alone guide rest of humanity.

I do not dismiss any source when it comes to understanding of things because every little helps. The main problem is misconceptions which we can clearly see if we could educate ourselves to a particular level. For example, I took islam for a mazhab just like other muslims because that is what was and is taught in muslim countries. Not only in muslim countries but muslims all over the world learn islam in context of a mazhab. However when I woke up to critical thinking I found islam did not make any sense to me whatsoever in context of mazhab.

Not only that islam did not make any sense to me in context of mazhab but that mazhab did not make any sense to me in general be it hinduism, parsi-ism, judaism or christianity etc etc. The main reason was and is mazhab has nothing at all to offer humanity. Only when I came across idea of islam is a deen I began studying islam once more. This time it made some sense to me so I studied islam in context of deen more and more and it made sense more and more.

I have explained in detail already the fact that islam is a deen and not a mazhab. I have explained already the difference between the two concepts of islam.

Deen of islam has five pillars.

1)TOWHEED=declaration about oneness of God and how he revealed his message. God is sole ruler of this universe and none else and that muhammad is his last messenger through whom God revealed his final program in the quran. Can this create a better world for humanity? Yes. How? By bringing humanity under rule of God instead of people ruling each other. Does this address issue of needs of people? Yes. How? When people become one ummah and organise and regulate themselves on basis of guidelines provided by the quran they can sort out the issue of their needs and wants by taking all needed steps with full cooperation and support of each other. This will give people a real chance to work for ensuring well being of each other instead of competing against each other as rivals or enemies for personal gains at the expense of each other.

If one looks at declaration of faith in islam one cannot miss this clear cut concept that God alone has the right to rule the universe and each and every bit or atom of it by virtue of being its creator and owner and sustainer and none other than God has any right at all to rule anything at all. Human beings are only managers and consumers of what God has granted them to fulfil his purpose of their creation and that is all. God has provided people things to carry out his assigned mission by implementing his revealed program. So the concept of TOWHEED is very clear ie unity of mankind under rule of law of one God ie Allah as revealed in the quran.

2)SALAAH=community network. It is necessary for humanity to form a network of humanity based upon guidance of the quran ie become an ummah or a proper human community so that quraanic program could be implemented. Can this create a better world for humanity? Yes, because becoming one people under rule of law of God has its huge advantages for humanity. It turns people in to a team that can work for all its essential goals which can help it fulfil all its proper needs and wants with help and support of each other in order to carry out the plan of God for fulfilling his purpose for which he created human beings.

3)SOWM=abstinence. It is necessary for people to abstain from doing all that which could cause damage to ummah or could cause tensions or fractures or fights between people of the community. Can this create a better world for humanity? Yes. How? When people do not do anything for harming or destroying each other deliberately then humanity can do things it needs to do rather than worrying about fighting with each other for robbing each other of each other's God given rights. Does this address the issue of needs of people? Yes.

4)ZAKAAH=growth or to increase capacity or strength or prosperity. It is necessary for people to work for improvement and development or growth and prosperity or expansion of the ummah. Can this create a better world for humanity? Yes. How? When all people of the community do all they can according to the best of their God given abilities for ensuring well being of each other then it is going to help humanity become as strong and as powerful as it is possible for it. Does this address the issue of needs of people? Yes. How? The more humanity as a proper family is able to organise and regulate itself better and better for fulfilling its needs the more capable the proper human community becomes to be able to fulfil its real needs and wants.

5)HAJJ=sacred journey towards a set destination or goal, It is necessary for people to bring about a kingdom based upon guidance of God ie to establish rule of law of God in the world properly. This is a sacred journey to accomplish a sacred goal. Can this create a better world for humanity? Yes. How? When all people have access to all resources of the universe and they work for their own well being as a proper human family under God then humanity can turn this world into a living paradise for itself and that is how it can prove guidance of God is true and worthy and the provider of this guidance is truly great = Allahu akber.


Compare these five pillars of deen of islam to five pillars of mullah islam or mullaism or mazhab of islam.


1)Carry out pooja(worship) of only one God instead of none or many Gods. Can this create a better world for humanity? No. Does this address issue of needs of people? No.

2)Pray five times daily. Can this create better world for humanity? No. Does this address issue of needs of people? No. Moreover praising God could only be true if it is from the bottom of one's heart otherwise it is only a lip service which reflect badly upon both ie on the one seeking praise (ie God) and the one offering praise (ie humanity). This is really very bad concept about God in minds of people of all versions of mazhab. Likewise praying for something to God makes no sense because God cannot please all people no matter what because people make opposing demands of God due to having ability of making their own choices. Moreover if God has his own purpose and plan for creating this world and people in it then how can he carry out his purpose according to his plan if he lets people keep interrupting him? It is a question of God fitting-in in plans and purposes of people or people learning to fit in purpose and plan of God. Not only that there are various other problems with this so called pillar of mazhab of islam in respect of time and place.

3)Fasting for a month in a year during month of ramadan. Can this create a better world for humanity? No. Does this address issue of needs of people? No. Moreover God does not want people to suffer needlessly as staying hungry and thirsty only causes harm to human beings in different ways eg lack of sleep and rest interrupts working ability of people which reduces productivity. So month of ramadan proves to be a curse rather than a blessing for humanity. Also islamic calender was started several years after the death of the prophet so there was no month by name of ramadan in time of the prophet and moreover there are problems with this pillar of mazhab of islam as well in respect of time and place so it too is a false attribution to deen of islam like prayers.

4)Paying poor's due at the rate of 2.5% per year on whatever one owns over and above one's essential basic needs. This is only for those who are rich or have more than what they need. Can this create a better world for humanity? No. Does this address issue of needs of people appropriately? No. This makes rich people much more richer and poor people much more poorer. It is recipe for destruction of humanity by hands of each other due to divide between rich and poor and no appropriate redressing of balance at all. Add to this inheritance law of mullahs to make it absolutely disastrous. Family of a rich man gets richer and family of a poor man gets poorer.

5)Visit kaaba in makkah once in life time during month of hajj. This is only for people who can afford it and are healthy enough. Can this create a better world for humanity? No. Does this address issue of needs of people? No. Not only that there are various other problems with this so called pillar of mazhab of islam also in respect of time and place.

The point is deen of islam is way of life and one has to ask what is a way of life about? It is about how one should live in this world. What does that mean? It means life, living and livelihood. So if a way of life does not fulfil its this very function for humanity then it serves no useful purpose at all. It is therefore very clear for all to see that islam is a deen not a mazhab. Mazhab only fools foolish people who follow rulers, money lenders and mullahs blindly who invented mazhab so that it serves their agendas.

So what has mullahs' islam to offer humanity other than self torture and wasting their time as well as imposing painful suffering upon them by hands of rulers, money lenders and mullahs?

People who deliberately tell us islam is a religion are lying to us be they pretending to be muslims are nonmuslims. Deen of islam is from Allah but mazhab is creation of rulers, money lenders and mullahs in order to fool masses to further their own highly harmful and destructive agendas.

All Religious people of all religions are fooling themselves and each other by giving rulers, money lenders and mullahs a free hand for their own abusive use by them and as a result whole humanity is going through terrible painful suffering by hands of each other.

This is why deen of islam must be judged within its own proper context not on basis of a bit from here and bit from there. It is a system like a machine which has its own components in their proper places that make it function properly. Deen of islam was never implemented properly after the demise of the final messenger of Allah that is why the kingdom based upon guidance of Allah which he setup ended up destroyed due to mistakes of his followers within a short period of time after him.

I also explained wording of AZAAN or ADHAAN which mullahs tell us is a call for prayer. It is not a call for prayer but a call for unity of humanity under God according to revealed message of God through muhammad his final messenger. When people will look at adhaan in context of deen of islam they will see true meanings of words used in adhaan.

Once people will look at the quranic text in context of deen of islam and get meanings of words from dictionaries instead of nonsense of mullahs then like me they too will come to know message of the quran. But till people do that things will continue as they are or may get yet worse or ugly. In my view deen of islam is not the problem but a problem solver for humanity whereas people who claim to be muslims are the real problem who despite claiming to be muslims believe and practice what their mullahs tell them or whatever suits themselves and call it islam. They are to blame fully because they never study the quran as it ought to be studied. Nonmuslims are also to blame because they instead of studying the quran themselves properly and challenging muslims for their beliefs and practices against deen of islam blame deen of islam without really knowing what it is all about.

Not only we have problem with muslims but all versions of mazhab followers be they hindus or christians or whatever. It is because when we study their scriptures they too contain things which support the message of the quran. They too do not fit in with idea of mazhab because they contain statements which cannot be implemented or acted upon unless one takes them as political and economic messages just like the quran.

One only needs to see how can a people speak the truth if their society is set up in such a way that people are forced to lie? How can we stop a people from stealing in a society if a society is forcing poverty on some of its people by design? So I can go on and on. This shows very clearly why some people have twisted words of God to further their own agendas in the very name of God. I can criticise each and every version of mazhab severely. Not only that I can challenge secularism and democracy as well for its part in harm and destruction of humanity. This is why quran based deen of islam is the only worthy solution for mankind to adopt if they have wish for unity, peace, progress and prosperity of mankind.