Front Line 12 December 2010 - Kia Veena Malik Ney Humara Sar Sharam sey Jhuka dia?
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On religous point of view i agree with Mufti sahib but on entertainment view its totally different. I dont condone veena malik what she did but its her personel choice and start making unreasonable remarks are also not justified.According to Ali salim,this matter is between God and them so let it be like that. I want to point out one very serious matter,whats going on to the pakistan's stage dramas- lots of things happening on the stage and behind the stage.In entertainment industry all over the world ,these things are very common.There is lots of stuff if i disclose ,the religous people will kill all of them so no need to get so excited and upset.Lots of well known names including politicians will be exposed .
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moazzamniaz
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
یار، اسلام کے اندر رہتے ہوے اور شرم و حیا کے ساتھ بھی ترقی ممکن ہے. بدقسمتی سے ہم دو انتہا پسند گروہوں کے درمیان پھنس چکے ہیں. ایک مادر پدر آزاد طبقہ جو اسلام کو ہی بوجھ سمجھتا ہے اور دوسرا اسلام کے ٹھیکیدار طالبان. پہلا طبقہ امیر، بااثر ، حکمران اور فوج و پولیس سے لیس ہے اور دوسرا بھی پیسہ اور اسلحہ بردار ہے.
جبکہ عوام کی اکثریت معتدل اور انسانیت نواز ہے . عوام ان دونوں گروہوں سے تنگ ہے اور انکے ایجنڈوں پر ہزار بار لعنت بھیج چکی ہے. عوام صرف اور صرف محمد عربی صلی اللہ علیھ و آل ہی وسلم کے دین پر چلتے ہوے ایک باعزت زندگی گزرنا چاہتے ہیں، جہاں احسان ، اخلاق تقویٰ اور شرم و حیا زندگی کی نمایاں خصوصیات ہوں. یہ دونوں اقلیتیں کبھی اس معتدل اکثریت کو اپنا ہمنوا نہیں بنا سکتیں کیونکہ انکا پیغام ہی عقل و فہم سے عاری ہے، اسی لئے یہ ہمیشہ اسلحے کا سہارا لیکر اکثریت کو یرغمال بنانے کے درپے ہوتے ہیں
علی سلیم اور فرزانہ باری پہلے طبقے کی نمائندہ ہیں . جبکہ مولانا صاحب سے صرف یہ شکایت ہے کہ مخاطب سے اتنی سخت گفتگو سے ذرا پرہیز فرماتے تو اچھا ہوتا
جبکہ عوام کی اکثریت معتدل اور انسانیت نواز ہے . عوام ان دونوں گروہوں سے تنگ ہے اور انکے ایجنڈوں پر ہزار بار لعنت بھیج چکی ہے. عوام صرف اور صرف محمد عربی صلی اللہ علیھ و آل ہی وسلم کے دین پر چلتے ہوے ایک باعزت زندگی گزرنا چاہتے ہیں، جہاں احسان ، اخلاق تقویٰ اور شرم و حیا زندگی کی نمایاں خصوصیات ہوں. یہ دونوں اقلیتیں کبھی اس معتدل اکثریت کو اپنا ہمنوا نہیں بنا سکتیں کیونکہ انکا پیغام ہی عقل و فہم سے عاری ہے، اسی لئے یہ ہمیشہ اسلحے کا سہارا لیکر اکثریت کو یرغمال بنانے کے درپے ہوتے ہیں
علی سلیم اور فرزانہ باری پہلے طبقے کی نمائندہ ہیں . جبکہ مولانا صاحب سے صرف یہ شکایت ہے کہ مخاطب سے اتنی سخت گفتگو سے ذرا پرہیز فرماتے تو اچھا ہوتا
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Ali Saleem is just a Munafiq.. Allah ALi Saleem ko Hidayat day... May ziyada kuch nahi keh sakta..
Vina malik is baysharam, AstagfarullahulAzim
itni bayhiyahi aur wo be sari duniya daik rahi ha. vina malik jay india ki nationlaity lay lay aur p*rnstar ban jay itna shoak ha usay ager media per bayhiyai pehlanay ka
yeh farzana bari be munafiq ha. yeh kehti ha k Islam say mulk ka nizam nahi chal sakta... yeh pagal ha.. Isay jootay laganay chahiyain
Salam tu Mufti sahab he is simply great...
Vina malik is baysharam, AstagfarullahulAzim
itni bayhiyahi aur wo be sari duniya daik rahi ha. vina malik jay india ki nationlaity lay lay aur p*rnstar ban jay itna shoak ha usay ager media per bayhiyai pehlanay ka
yeh farzana bari be munafiq ha. yeh kehti ha k Islam say mulk ka nizam nahi chal sakta... yeh pagal ha.. Isay jootay laganay chahiyain
Salam tu Mufti sahab he is simply great...
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Universality in freedom of thoughts and character is not acceptable.
You have to esxpress or demonstrate yourslf within limits.
Even in your own society, you have to remain withing limits.
Just because it is not you alone are living. There are so many people living around you and all those living together in a society have mutual rights and duties.
Being unsocial is not a matter of personal freedom. At least it affects others. How many ali saleem and veena maliks are we going to produce if we are not going to place any checks on these two. We cannot allow it to be a practice in our society.
It is totally wrong saying that they are only responsible to god as these are their personal acts. They are also responsible to the society.
More serious is the thing that a citizen of a particular country is acting against the traditions of his own country while in an other or neighbouring country.
He/she is under a contract with reference to his/her nationality that he would not do anything which is contrary to the social, economic, political or any other type of the interests of his country.
While in india, veena malik and ali saleem did not represent the interests of pakistan and pakistani society.
It will be better - they must surrender pakistani nationality otherwise they do not have the right to send back such a dirty gifts to the nation.
Pakistan and pakistanies must not be punished as a result of the personal freedom of its citizens.
Definitely, these two people would not have behaved like that while in pakistan.
This is only altaf hussain or musharraf model to get protection first and then do whatever you like.
You have to esxpress or demonstrate yourslf within limits.
Even in your own society, you have to remain withing limits.
Just because it is not you alone are living. There are so many people living around you and all those living together in a society have mutual rights and duties.
Being unsocial is not a matter of personal freedom. At least it affects others. How many ali saleem and veena maliks are we going to produce if we are not going to place any checks on these two. We cannot allow it to be a practice in our society.
It is totally wrong saying that they are only responsible to god as these are their personal acts. They are also responsible to the society.
More serious is the thing that a citizen of a particular country is acting against the traditions of his own country while in an other or neighbouring country.
He/she is under a contract with reference to his/her nationality that he would not do anything which is contrary to the social, economic, political or any other type of the interests of his country.
While in india, veena malik and ali saleem did not represent the interests of pakistan and pakistani society.
It will be better - they must surrender pakistani nationality otherwise they do not have the right to send back such a dirty gifts to the nation.
Pakistan and pakistanies must not be punished as a result of the personal freedom of its citizens.
Definitely, these two people would not have behaved like that while in pakistan.
This is only altaf hussain or musharraf model to get protection first and then do whatever you like.
awan4ever
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Quoting from Kamrans question to Mufti sahab 'the great' as someone just called him..if dirty scenes are telecast in our own tv channels openly and our films and the indian films are openly shown in cinemas now and available on dvds, then how come we only criticize veena malik for kissing an indian guy?
Shouldnt we first take stock of all that is going on in our own media before calling names to people like Ali Saleem and Veena Malik?
Mufti sahb nay koi khas jawab nahi diya is baat ka...and before we go on talking pointlessly about Veena Maliks antics heres a clip from our own local Tv channel...
Please be advised that the language is completely naked and ghatia but you must see what is going on on our own tv channels...I would request the admins to let this link stay as it is very relevant to the discussion at at hand. Also since it is being aired on live tv in pakistan so I think theres no point editing it out here now...
Shouldnt we first take stock of all that is going on in our own media before calling names to people like Ali Saleem and Veena Malik?
Mufti sahb nay koi khas jawab nahi diya is baat ka...and before we go on talking pointlessly about Veena Maliks antics heres a clip from our own local Tv channel...
Please be advised that the language is completely naked and ghatia but you must see what is going on on our own tv channels...I would request the admins to let this link stay as it is very relevant to the discussion at at hand. Also since it is being aired on live tv in pakistan so I think theres no point editing it out here now...
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What?????????? I have never heard anything close on any tv show.
BTW the host was encouraging the caller to say something may be naughty "aur, aur, aur...", but then he crossed all limits.
Am surprised that she was not that shocked and to her credit she handled it quite well. :)
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awan4ever
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Theres plenty more even worse...search youtube 'coz I cant post it all here!
But hats off to her, she didn't even blink before responding.
awan4ever
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think given the nature of the show and this being one of many such calls, she is pretty much ready to react. Infact in this case I think she was egging the guy on to get some sort of dirty comment out of him. She keeps saying 'aur aur aur...' until the guy says something raunchy enough to respond to. its just cheap publicity stunts.
Agreed, but am sure she would not have expected this sort of comment for sure......that was too much.
tiger54
MPA (400+ posts)
great show!! nice answers by ali and dr farzana! and wow! ali u completely owned the maulana!
but anyways some points of maula were right veena did piss me off too but i wldnt go to the extent calling her actions a disgrace to pakistan!
trust me i hate veena she should learn some dignity from shweta!! but maulana is getting too personal!
but anyways some points of maula were right veena did piss me off too but i wldnt go to the extent calling her actions a disgrace to pakistan!
trust me i hate veena she should learn some dignity from shweta!! but maulana is getting too personal!
awan4ever
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Corrupt a-holes up in the regulatory authority how else. This is a late night show I think so its going on like this but its making waves now with all these clips floating around on social media. Maybe the authorities will get off their butts soon and do something about it now.
itsnotme90
Minister (2k+ posts)
Whenever mufti sahab trying to complete his point of view kamran want to take a break. Ali is a gay who wants to be female partner in gay relationship LOL. thats why he said i know who i m .
Veena malik is cashing name of pakistan coz she was invited as pakistani guest otherwise they could invite any other actress from india & if u look shilpa shetty she didnt do anything bad in uk while she is hindu so who should be ashamed now
Veena malik is cashing name of pakistan coz she was invited as pakistani guest otherwise they could invite any other actress from india & if u look shilpa shetty she didnt do anything bad in uk while she is hindu so who should be ashamed now
Zaidi Qasim
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I think Maulana gave a competent answers and without any hasitation said what is right. Ali was abviously unable to present any logic, he tried to defend only himself first and then he tried to exort an excuse by pointing that thousands of Pakistani being killed in pakistan everyday !!!! Maulana pointed out that in the santanic regimes , these activities would prevail and be presented as a proof for their santanic nature. Farzana lied when she said she didn't see the program. I bet you she watch it everyday. None of these participants had any logical excuses. The host was also one sided and looked pathetic where he said he didn't see anything wrong in these clips and activities. Shame is not the word for those who support this obscenity and voulgarity.
Abdul Allah
Minister (2k+ posts)
Those who are saying that it is personal matter etc...
Well
if a couple ENJOY each other then isnt it a personal matter???
but there is a Harsh punishment of that in Quran that is being asked by Allah to carried out BY HUMANS.
Well
if a couple ENJOY each other then isnt it a personal matter???
but there is a Harsh punishment of that in Quran that is being asked by Allah to carried out BY HUMANS.
Young_Blood
Minister (2k+ posts)
So aap k nazdeek, agar koi Muslim male ya female, Islam ke bator e deen be hayaie ka sabab bun raha ho to ussey being a muslim na to uss k iss tarz e amal per baat kerni chahiay aur na he ussey samjhana chahiay, aur mamla ALLAH per chor dena chahiay,, aap ye kehna chah rahay hein,, but
aap Islam ke buniyadi taleemaat ko bhool rahay hein janab,, Islam burai, badi,chori , be hayai, ko roknay ka naam hai, na k aap apni khuli ankho se dekhein aur ye keh ker khamosh ho jaien k ye to iss banday aur ALLAH k beach ka mamla hai,
zara sochiay, agar yehi amal ALLAH NA KAREY, veena ke jaga aap ke apni behan ya beti karey to uss waqt aap kya kahein gay? aur kya karein gay? aur agar aap ka bhai ya beta agar KHUSRA Hijra bun jaey to uss waqt bhe kya aap yehi kahein gay, uss ke zindagi hai wo jo chahay karey,? kya aap usse dantein gay nahi, samjhaien gay nahi, rokein gay nahi iss buray fail se?
Apni haya sharam aur jism ko sab k samnay expose kerna fun ya entertainment nahi,, kisi gair mard se aur wo bhe hindu se kissing kerna hugging kerna, uss k saath aik plate main khana,, etc,,,, kya islam iss ke ijazat deta hai? agar deta hai to plz mujhey bhe batiay k kaha likha hai ye sab, k aap kisi ko entertain kerne k liay apne kaprey tak utaar dein,
