this what happens when you are so busy 24/7 to make money in western world and you unintentionally ignore to communicate your children, its definitely 100% parents neglect, nothing else, need to talk and spend time with their children so NO SURPRISES, this a brand new trend but frequently due to neglect they will follow all non muslim western trend and another confused desi generation.
From Glasgow girl to 'bedroom radical' and ISIS bride
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Zionist Hindu
Senator (1k+ posts)
Parents are the one to blame. They should have introduced her to secular and liberal values, given her proper education.
Usama Tayyab
Minister (2k+ posts)
extremely sad :(
Aik_Sawal
Minister (2k+ posts)
Sounds like you were from 'upper' class in Pakistan - and fairly practically minded person.
I never even had someone come to teach me Quran Majeed, my Mum and Grandma taught me that. And except for doing Matric, my life sounds pretty much the same as yours.
Probably your socio-economic circumstance have kept your away from disillusionment. The first thing about these Western kids who're flying to join ISIS is told to us is that they were socio-economically disillusioned.
Tell me something, so you live in Western world now, you feel that is it perfectly harmonious to the teachings of Islam taught to you as a child?
Allkhan
Voter (50+ posts)
جی بات مدرسوں کی ہی ہے۔کب تک منافقت کرتے رہیںگے۔یہی مدرسے ہی تو ہیں جو کہ مذہب کے نام پر دہشت گردی اور دہشت گرد پیدا کررہے ہیں۔مغرب نے مذہب کی اصلیَت کو جان کر اس کینسر کو لات مار کر خارج کردیا اور وہ ہماری یس کمزوری سے خوب فائدہ اٹھا رہے ہیں،جی ھاں خوب فائدہ اٹھا رہے ہیں کوئ مانے یا نہ مانے،جب تک ہم مذہب پرست ہیں تب تک ہم دنیا اور آخرت دونوں میں ذلیل و خوار رہیںگے۔یاد رہے میرے نذدیک مذہب اور دین کے درمیان زمین و آسمان کا فرق ہے۔مذہب مولانا فضل لرحمان وغیرہ وغیرہ پیدا کرتا ہے جبکہ دین علامہ اقبال وغیرہ وغیرہ پیدا کرتا ہے۔
Aik_Sawal
Minister (2k+ posts)
I my early twenties (4-5 years back), I used to actively engage with them on merit. I used to ask them what makes a chicken "Haram". Is it not taking the God's name when slaughtering or is it the non-Islamic way of slaughtering?
Some answered it was God's name and then I would ask them how strange it is that not saying a verbal thing, physically changes a food item into being unfit for consumption. Some people didn't have any answer, but others gave silly answers of 'just because'. Only uncle said, "Since one dirty thought during Hajj can destroy your whole Hajj, thereby losing you your PK Rs. 350,000 - just like that not taking one God's name at the point of slaughter can lose you your 8 chicken - Islam is very fair, Allah'u Akbar".
Other's answered me that the non-Islamic way of slaughtering was unhygienic. I then conducted a little research with British Meat Association about the blood draining procedure of slaughtered birds. I could not find any unhygienic practices in there which were unfit for human consumption. I just couldn't believe that in a developed Western world, where mostly everything has systems and procedures working for human and animal care, how could they go out of the way to make unhygienic practices for human consumption. I realized that these were all just stories that hard-lined Muslims told me.
So after that, I understood this game of 'Haram' chicken.
Now to your question: How do I answer them?
My answer is that: After talking to hard-lined Muslim people over a range of topics and being brought up as one and being a 'normal person' now, I've realized to never to try to change anyone or convince anyone on any matters of religion. So, all my efforts are only to understand the truth. Like in the case of Haram Chicken, all I wanted to know was what made it Haram. My intentions are never to change anyone's beliefs, because frankly I know that one can't change a grownup hard-liner. One must live with them, in life, just like one lives with everything else in life.
So when someone tells me, "I don't eat Haram chicken", I say, "Good for you for telling me that". When they cross the line of mannerism (like recently Ahmed Shehzad did with Dilshan) and tell me that I will burn in fire for eating Haram Chicken, I still tell them, "Good for you for telling me that, now move along".
bhaibarood
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
jin gharoon main larkioun ko bheair bakree ke tarha treat kia jata hai aur shadeed sakhtee ke jatee hai
us ghar ke larkeeyan aisey he ghar se bhaag jaya kartee hain!
paida karney ko shouq sab ko hota hai but palna ka time kisi kisi ke pass he hota hai !
us ghar ke larkeeyan aisey he ghar se bhaag jaya kartee hain!
paida karney ko shouq sab ko hota hai but palna ka time kisi kisi ke pass he hota hai !
Aik_Sawal
Minister (2k+ posts)
My guess is that Americans are very in-your-face kind of society where hypocrisy isn't tolerated in public and private lives. Look at Snooki & Co. from Jersey Shore. They are exactly that much idiotic as they are in their private lives and that reality is celebrated (however silly it is).
Brits on the other hand encourage hypocrisy of public and private life. There are so many example I can give you about this, but their 'lack of publicly whining but doing it privately' or keeping a 'stiff upper lip when something they dislike happens' are just two of their adored social attitudes.
Also, Brits allow and celebrate way too much personal freedoms and encourage them to borderline criminality. So much so, that it encourages bad behavior in sneaky people. For example, in US if you're selling one ounce of grass, then a SWAT team will come in a bearcat like tank and break in our house and almost kill you - whereas in UK they will send a bobby without any guns who would try to convince you to be arrested. Also, in Britain you can get away with underage sex for silly reasons like this, or kill someone and be out of jail in three weeks.
Few years ago a very close friend of mine went travelling across US. He told me that at one point he almost got shot and killed for accidentally trespassing someone's property (even when he was only trying to find his way). And in Britain the expression goes like, "Trespassing? What trespassing! Go help yourself to others property and human rights law will protect you".
In Britain you can actually go to jail for killing a burglar in your house even if in self defense. That's how stupid Brits are for human rights.
So, I hope now you understand a little bit more about the attitude of hard-line Muslims in Britain and why they are out of line. Until very recently Brits didn't even have a law for prosecuting Brits who do terrorism overseas. Whereas the Americans have been killing Americans for a long time when they don't agree with the American way of life.
I can't comment on any other overseas Pakistani Muslims. Canadians in general are too pu**y anyway, so their Muslim terrorists are that too. Australians are too busy saying "G'day mate" like 500 times a days so they are kept busy in that and don't think about hardline stuff.
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Aik_Sawal
Minister (2k+ posts)
واہ دوست، کتنی سمجھداری کی بات کی ہے
لیکن میرا خیال ہے کہ زیادہ تر لوگ تمہیں گلیاں دیتے ہوں گے ایسی بات کرنے پر
جو کچھ بھی تم نے لکھا ہے، بلکل سچ لکھا ہے - پر افسوس کہ کو قوم بنی ہی مذھب پرستی پر ہو، وہ اس کینسر سے کیسے چھٹکارا پا سکتی ہے
yeh-cheez
Minister (2k+ posts)
No offense meant...but the majority you talking about that go to extremes..
Are bradford cum birmingham cum manchester cum glasgow people..
And they are 99% mir puris and kashmiris....
And trust me bruv...they are dumb...except fr a few ..
Apologies to any sane mir puris and jehlumis and kashmiris...
Such news indicate a serious thinking about Madrassas...................
Very realistic analysis..................the mushrooming of Madrasas since the last two decades mainly for capital instinct, have created a revolt in young Muslims against the odds of society, which could be avoided through a modest form of living.
Aik_Sawal
Minister (2k+ posts)
What a stupid post you've made.
Idiots like you are born with absolutely no mental barriers and they let out every stupid brain fart they have.
You post single-handedly has put this conversation back a 100 years. What a silly person you are!
Clearly you're smart enough to read and write, please read your post again and try to understand how fundamentally wrong and discriminatory it is.
It's not your achievement that you're not born in the ethnicity you are dissing. So why be so arrogantly idiotic about it? I guess by that logic you must really enjoy it when others say to you, "All Pakis are dumb" - a statement made about you, your parents, siblings and your people...
If that hurts you, then how do you think that your stupid words won't hurt the people you have dissed in your post?? How insensitive are you!
Try to understand your stupidity man. Please have some sense.
Aik_Sawal
Minister (2k+ posts)
:doh: - just read my post above.
Humi
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
From which official survey you got that research from??? Sorry, but it sounds like a prejudice only.....smart and not so smart people are found everywhere...
Yaar mera nahi khayal ke ziyada parents ye kehte hain ke western logon se ya un ki traditions se nafrat karro. kamaz kam mere parents to aisa nahi kehte. Haan, ye aur baat hai ke unho ne hamesha nishanday karai hai galat cheezon main aur sahi cheezon main.
mere parents ne hamesha bola ke in logon ki (western logon ) ki izzat aur respect karro. Kyunke inho ne shayad humey Pakistan se ziyada diya hai.
Laikin mere parents ne saath saath ye bhi kaha hai ke West main rehte ho to Balance rakho, na tum purey western bano aur nahi tum typical pakistani jo western culture se door reh kr apne aap ko isolate kar de.
mere parents ne hamesha bola ke in logon ki (western logon ) ki izzat aur respect karro. Kyunke inho ne shayad humey Pakistan se ziyada diya hai.
Laikin mere parents ne saath saath ye bhi kaha hai ke West main rehte ho to Balance rakho, na tum purey western bano aur nahi tum typical pakistani jo western culture se door reh kr apne aap ko isolate kar de.
what a ****** racist as*s u are man... England main ager Pakistanio ki izzat hai to wo bhi Kashmirion ki wajah se hi hai. England main barey barey bussinesman aur Lord nazir jaise log bhi kashmir aur jehlum ke alako se hain.
Tere jaise logon se Pathano aur balochion main ehsas e kamtari huwi hai aur aaj wo apne Free Balochistan aur Free Pashtunistan maang reh hain Pakistan main.
aur aaj phir bhi kuch Kashmiri , Pakistan ko apna mulk samajhtey hain, laikin ager tum jaison ka rawaiya aisa hi raha kashmirion ke sath to phir mat rona ke kashmiri bhi Pakistan se nafrat kr rhe hain.
what a silly scumbag u r... I know many lahoris and people frm mandi bahaodin here in belgium who r on assylum and living like animals (10 people in one room) while alots of kashmiris have their own businesses and enjoying life.so ur shitty statement is nothin else thn bullsh!t
Tere jaise logon se Pathano aur balochion main ehsas e kamtari huwi hai aur aaj wo apne Free Balochistan aur Free Pashtunistan maang reh hain Pakistan main.
aur aaj phir bhi kuch Kashmiri , Pakistan ko apna mulk samajhtey hain, laikin ager tum jaison ka rawaiya aisa hi raha kashmirion ke sath to phir mat rona ke kashmiri bhi Pakistan se nafrat kr rhe hain.
what a silly scumbag u r... I know many lahoris and people frm mandi bahaodin here in belgium who r on assylum and living like animals (10 people in one room) while alots of kashmiris have their own businesses and enjoying life.so ur shitty statement is nothin else thn bullsh!t
Aik_Sawal
Minister (2k+ posts)
Dude either that's the practicality in you speaking, or your parents are really a smart rarity.
Otherwise, all I have seen in Pakistani parents in Western countries is that they are worried about Alcohol, Pork, Sex and Haram Chicken and they keep spewing their inner hatred about the sinful West using those things. As a result their kids grow up talking and thinking like that.
Of course I'm not saying all Pakistanis in Western countries are like that, I'm saying that majority of them are like that. And it made me wonder for a very very long time that what is causing this - and I can't point to anything other than religion.
For example, growing up, I was taught that talking to women is like the worst sin ever, even worse than zana (I'm exaggerating but not that much). I grew up to be a practical person and I haven't let that affect me but it hurts me to think about why the hell were my parents teaching me that. What benefit were they trying to achieve by raising a socially-eunuch kid? And I would have understood if they were not educated but both my parents went to the highest universities in Pakistan and both are working and both my grandparents from either sides were lucky enough to be university graduates in a time when education was rare. And yet I was raised with values of talking to women as a sin.
I don't know how much you can wash over this with your practicality - but this is what an average regular Pakistani is brought up as. There are sane parents out there too, but they are very, very rare. The whole society is stuck in a hypocrisy of religion and each action after the other is just designed to fake-ly show how religious and moral one is without any regard to honesty. It's just an eyewash of morality and younger generations suffer through it.
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Khair Andesh
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اندازہ بلکل درست تھا۔ سب کی تان مدارس پر ہی ٹوٹتی ہے۔یوں ہی بے چاروں کو "ملامتی فرقہ" نہیں کہا جاتا۔
