Dr. Zakir Naik best reply for Atheists

Khan Sab

MPA (400+ posts)

Dr Zakir Naik ne yahan bohat khubsurat aayat paish ki ha jis mein un logon ke liye bohat khubsurat jawab hai jo yeh kehte hain ke Allah ne hamein kyun peda kya, yeh imthehan kyun hai, hamari choice kahan hai, Islam aisa kyun hai waisa kyun hai, yeh saza kyun hai woh saza kyun hai, kisi ko muslim aur kisi ko kafir ke ghar kyun peda kya. Is forum pay bhi aksar karte rehtay hain to un k liye Allah ne jawab day diya ke is imtehan mein insaan ne khud apne aap ko apni Choice se dala. Jis mein yeh sab kuch imthehan k tor pe mojood tha ke Allah ka khud ko parday mein rakhna, Insan ki Aalam Arwah ki yadasht bhula dena phir rahnumai ke liye apne Paighambar aur Quran jesi nishania utarna (Jin ko Science ne bhi taslim kia), Deen mein jaza saza ka nizam hona, Nafs o Shetan ka sath hona, insaan ko Free Will dena Etc Etc r phir Akhir mein Jannat ya Jahanum ( kisi ke liye waqti r kisi ke liye daimi )

Is imthehan mein Allah ki taraf se koi zabardasti ya ???????? ziadti nahi hui. qayamat ke din yeh sara mamla Allah khol day ga

Duniya mein har bacha Fitrat e Islami pay peda hota hai, is ka mahol usay muslim ya kafir banata hai. is liye jo musalmanon ke ghar peda huve us mein kisi ka koi kamal ya Achai nahi balkay yeh Unper Allah ka ahsan aur intekhab hai aur un pay yeh zimedari hai ke woh un logon par Allah ka deen paish karen jo kufar pay hain. Kisi kafir ko jahanum mein nahi dala jaye ga jab tak ke us pay hujat tamam nah ho jaye Allah ke deen ki shakal mein. Is ke Mutaliq Dr Zakir ne aik aur aayat pesh ki k qayamat ke din koi Allah ke faislay aur insaaf pay aitraaz nah kar paye ga,Sab taslim karen ge

Is liye mein apne Atheist bhaiyon se kahun ga ke agar ab bhi aap k Dil o Dimagh men koi Shaq o Shuba baqi rehta ha to phr bhi men kahun ga k Apni akhrat ki hamesha hamesha ki zindagi khatray mein nah dalen, Farz kar len ke agr mar ke matti ho jana hai to phir nah Allah ke man'ne walay ke liye koi khatra hai nah aap ke liye sab mar ke matti ho jayen ge lekin agar akhirat waisi hui jaisay quran keh raha hai to phir aap ke liye hamesha hamesha ki jahanum ka khatra hai. Phir aqal to yahi kehti hai k ap ko chahe kuch samajh aye chahe nah aye aap ko Allah se hidayat ki dua karni chahiye aur Allah ka deen Islam Qabool karna chahiye, yeh Risk nahi lena chahiye, Allah hum sab ko hidayat day

Surah Ahzaab aayat 72 73 ka mukhtasar Tarjuma aur Tafseer


 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Allah did not create human beings for testing them this is nonsense of mullahs. The reason Allah created the universe and people in it is explained HERE
 

Khan Sab

MPA (400+ posts)
Aksar bhaion ko ye Confusion hoti ha k aese log jin tak kisi Qisam ki Islam ki dawat na pohnchi to un ka kia hoga? To is bare men do teen Videos mujhe mili han jin se kuch wazahat mili k Un k sath aesa kuch mamla hoga, Lakin ye to For Sure ha k Allah kisi k sath Zulm r Na'insafi nahin kare ga. Jab hujat tamam hogi to phr unka faisla hoga

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Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Religion is post agricultural invention to use fear to control mass populations. All organized religions are a fraud.
You are telling me that I should pray or I will go to hell because you are obviously afraid and you probably have good intentions. Its like telling someone to give up all your money because an invisible man is holding a gun to your head.
 

Khan Sab

MPA (400+ posts)
Religion is post agricultural invention to use fear to control mass populations. All organized religions are a fraud.
You are telling me that I should pray or I will go to hell because you are obviously afraid and you probably have good intentions. Its like telling someone to give up all your money because an invisible man is holding a gun to your head.

Ap ki theory ka Simple sa jawab ha "This life is Unjust without Religion and the Concept of Hereafter". Ab ap Pakistani & World mafias like NS,Zardari,Altaf etc etc ko zehn men rakh k ye Videos dekhen to Ap ko Ans mil jaey ga.

Ap ki theory kehti ha k koi kuch bhi kare to koi pochne wala nai hona chahiye r na hoga, Ek taraf Mafias r Zalim log pore pore mulk loot k kha Jaen,Lakhon logon ko Qatal ker den r pata nai kia kia kerte rahen Pesa,Power r Nafsani Khuwahishat k liye r dosri taraf in ki wajah se log bhook se maren r bhook ki wajah se Khudkushian ker rahe hon, R Mafias k pas itni power ha k koi Qanoon bhi unhen pakar nai sakta, Wo maze karen koi pochne wala nai hoga,koi bhi apni marzi se kuch bhi ker sakta ha,Koi dranay wala nahi hona chahiye bas mar k matti ho jaen ge simple.

Is theory pe ager Dunya chale to wese hi ye life jahanum ban jaey gi cz Phr to men bhi chahta hun k mujhe b Pesa,Power,Popularity chahiye chahe jese bhi mile, Mujhe bhi nafs ki her khuwaish pori kerni ha phr. Men Ethics R Law ko bhi kiun Follow karun? Apni marzi kiun na karun? Jab Dunya ka koi Aaga peecha ha hi nai to Apni marzi k Ethics r Qanoon pe kiun na chalun?
R i think ager ap waqai kuch sochte samajhte han to phr men ye keh sakta hun k ager Ap k sath koi aesa zulm kare r Phr Ap us ka kuch bigar na paen to Mujhe umeed ha k Ap bhi kahen ge k ager use kisi ne kabhi nai pochna r us ko kiye ki saza nai milni r wo dunya men maze ker k aram se mar k matti ho jaey ga to This life is Really Unjust, Ap kia pori Dunya ye mane gi k Ap ki theory r logic bilkul ghalat ha r True Religion ki Theory r Logic 100% Theek ha R aesa hi Hona Chahiye.....


I think Answer to ur Theory is in These Videos & They r Short so U can Watch Easily


 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I will watch the first video later when I get home and reply to that. I personally dislike Zakir Naik because he is a liar (I dont want to offend his fans but I have spent alot of time on this forum trying to expose how he is poisoning the youth in Muslim world by teaching them anti-scientific ideas). I wont watch Ahmed Deedats vidoes because I spent a lot of time watching them when I was younger because I admired his oratory skills.
"This life is Unjust without Religion and the Concept of Hereafter"

As for that statement, with respect I strong disagree with it. This is a very important concept so read this carefully. Religion is not the only source of morality and religion is not the best source of morality. I have spent alot of time on this topic as even atheist need a moral compass in life to follow. There are many good and moral things in the Quran, as well as bible and Torah, but they are also in secular books such as Aristotle's book (the republic), Marcus Aurelius (Book name is meditations) are master pieces on morality.

We all have a primary sense of morality as all other animals do, they do not kill for no reason (most of the time) only when they need to protect their young or to hunt for food. There is no need for religion for this. The need for religious morality arose after the agriculture revolution when people started living together in larger groups to form villages instead of living in caves as small tribes.

Religious morality had its time but now its obsolete. The laws you enjoy now in Pakistan are because of secular morality after WW2. There is no more slavery, you no longer need 4 witness to prove rape DNA evidence is enough, you no longer chop peoples limbs off for petty crimes, you no longer behead people for working on Sundays, these are all religious moralities they do not exist in most countries now because of secular morality. The crime rate is lowest in countries that have highest atheist population you can google the statistics. People who believe this is the only life they make the most out of it. God will forgive you for the mistakes you make here but this world wont.

As for bad people in the world. Look, I wish it was true that there was someone up there who was looking down at us and taking notes of all the bad things people were doing to us. This is how I felt when someone punched me in the face at school and stole my sandwich. But just because we wish something was true doesn't make it true. The sad reality of life is that there are many messed up people out there who did messed up things in the world but lived luxury life and died in peace and never got caught. Thats just how the world is, now we can work to make it a better place improve technology and training to catch criminals or we can leave it to an imaginary human like person in the sky taking notes to do something who most probably doesnt exist.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I will watch the first video later when I get home and reply to that. I personally dislike Zakir Naik because he is a liar (I dont want to offend his fans but I have spent alot of time on this forum trying to expose how he is poisoning the youth in Muslim world by teaching them anti-scientific ideas). I wont watch Ahmed Deedats vidoes because I spent a lot of time watching them when I was younger because I admired his oratory skills.
"This life is Unjust without Religion and the Concept of Hereafter"

As for that statement, with respect I strong disagree with it. This is a very important concept so read this carefully. Religion is not the only source of morality and religion is not the best source of morality. I have spent alot of time on this topic as even atheist need a moral compass in life to follow. There are many good and moral things in the Quran, as well as bible and Torah, but they are also in secular books such as Aristotle's book (the republic), Marcus Aurelius (Book name is meditations) are master pieces on morality.

We all have a primary sense of morality as all other animals do, they do not kill for no reason (most of the time) only when they need to protect their young or to hunt for food. There is no need for religion for this. The need for religious morality arose after the agriculture revolution when people started living together in larger groups to form villages instead of living in caves as small tribes.

Religious morality had its time but now its obsolete. The laws you enjoy now in Pakistan are because of secular morality after WW2. There is no more slavery, you no longer need 4 witness to prove rape DNA evidence is enough, you no longer chop peoples limbs off for petty crimes, you no longer behead people for working on Sundays, these are all religious moralities they do not exist in most countries now because of secular morality. The crime rate is lowest in countries that have highest atheist population you can google the statistics. People who believe this is the only life they make the most out of it. God will forgive you for the mistakes you make here but this world wont.

As for bad people in the world. Look, I wish it was true that there was someone up there who was looking down at us and taking notes of all the bad things people were doing to us. This is how I felt when someone punched me in the face at school and stole my sandwich. But just because we wish something was true doesn't make it true. The sad reality of life is that there are many messed up people out there who did messed up things in the world but lived luxury life and died in peace and never got caught. Thats just how the world is, now we can work to make it a better place improve technology and training to catch criminals or we can leave it to an imaginary human like person in the sky taking notes to do something who most probably doesnt exist.

Dear vitamin c, without God as basis there can be no sense of morality. So far none has been able to anchor sense of morality without accepting God as its basis.

It is because none of us can agree upon anything at all without having a common basis which is acceptable to all of us rationally. What is good for you is not necessarily good for me and even if something is good for both of us but it may not be acceptable as good to someone else. So people can fool themselves or each other by claiming morality is possible without God but in actual reality it is not.

Problems only arise between people due to interpretations of God sent revelations due to their own understandings of this universe and things in it. There are perfect reasons for that which I have explained in my provided link in this thread.

In your case you are an atheist so you need to rationally prove that it is possible for anything at all to come to existence without an already ever existing creator creating it. Once you can then we can talk about other things.

To prove God does not exist is impossible for atheists and the reason is nothing can come into existence from utter nothingness. This is why even physicists do not believe the universe has come to existence from utter nothingness. Physicists redefine nothingness for their purpose and even then they do not dismiss existence of God. They simply try to explain development and progress of things after they came to existence. This is limitation of experimental science. The rest is only rational explanation of existence which only and only points to existence of God as a necessity. So in actual fact one cannot be an atheist no matter how much one tries. One only fools oneself and others just like mullahs who fool themselves and others by thinking they know the revelation of God without having the knowledge of things which are supposed to help them come to know the message of God. People who really know the truth are those who are aware of God as well as his creation. They learn things about things for sake of knowledge and understanding in order to have right sort of mental satisfaction by doing what needs to be done for the betterment of themselves and the rest of mankind.

Problem of most people is they try to decide many things on basis of individual things rather than trying to understand the whole picture to see how all things may come together properly. This is why such people raise many questions about God and human suffering for example. They are not interested in knowing the purpose of God for creation of this universe and people in it and how all this is supposed to work as a complete process. This is how taking apart a thing confuses them due to dismantling something into its individual pieces then looking at each thing disconnected from all the rest. Once people realise their mistakes and come to know how to look at a complete model properly they will rectify their mistakes. Why God created human beings as babies not knowing a thing? Why God left people on their own after birth to learn things through their life experiences rather than intervening? All this I have explained in detail for all who wish to learn and improve upon. We can see how most people run away from making efforts for learning knowledge worth learning. This is why some people have come to know the truth but others are not even aware of it. All because not all of people are at the same stage of learning or making same level of effort. So you get what you work for.

regards and all the best
 

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