Dear Members I am closing threads related to religion

[hassam]

Re: Siasat on siasat.pk friends I have closed many of religeous threads today

میری گزارش آپ سے یہ ہے کہ آپ براہ مہربانی محرم الحرام میں مذہبی تھریڈ بند رکھیں --- ہمارے لوگ ابھی اتنے تمیزدار اور تہذیب یافتہ نہیں ہوے کہ سلجھے ہوے انداز سے گفتگو کریں اور ایک دوسرے کے مذہبی جذبات کا احترام کریں ---- مجھے پچھلے کچھ تھریڈ پڑھ کر بڑے دکھ کے ساتھ کہنا پڑ رہا ہے کہ ہمیں مصطفیٰ کمال جیسے کسی ظالم اور سیکولر ڈکٹیٹر کی ضرورت ہے جو سب سے پہلے تو ان فرقہ پرستوں کو بھون کے رکھ دے بعد میں دوسروں کی خبر لے --- بحیثیت اڈمن آپ کی ذمہ داری بنتی ہے کہ آپ ان چند افراد کو نظر میں رکھیں جو تفرقہ بازی پھیلانے میں کوئی دقیقہ فروگزاشت نہیں کرتے انھیں آپ بھی جانتے ہیں اور میں بھی جانتا ہوں اسی لیے مجھے انکے نام لینے کی ضرورت نہیں
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NighHawk- Please send me their names in a private message. I want to keep that in mind when reading their posts. I do not read unnecessary posts very keenly so that is why I do not know about many.

 

[Raaz]

Re: Siasat on siasat.pk friends I have closed many of religeous threads today

یہ فورم یقینا بہت کارآمد اور دلچسپ ہے
مختلف مضوعات پر سیر حاصل گفتگو اور معلومات کا تبادلہ ہر ایک کے لئے مفید ہوتا ہے
نہ جانے کیوں چند حضرات ایک معلوماتی گفتگو کو ایک مختلف سمت میں لے گئے
اپنے جذبات پر قابو نہ رکھ سکے اور گفتگو احترام کے معیار سے بہت نیچے گر گئی
جب بھی جذبات قابو سے باہر ہوتے ہیں تو شیطان اپنا مکمل غلبہ حاصل کر لیتا ہے اور اس فورم میں الفاظ خراب سے بھی گر کر فحش اور خرافات میں چلے گئے ​

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اڈمن صاحب کا یہ بہتر فیصلہ تھا کہ اس طرح کی بحث کو ختم کر دیا جائے
آپ سے گزارش ہے کہ آئندہ صحت مند بحث کی حوصلہ افزائی کی جاتے اور وہ حضرات جن کو اپنی زبان پر قابو نہ ہو ان پر ضرور کچھ نہ کچھ پابندیاں ہونی چاہینے​

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الله تعَالى آپ کا حامی و ناصر ہو ​

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Why not discuss Mugal history, when son arrest his father , brothers kill each other. just for kingdom. Dance , wine, and Hindu wives. a lots of others.

But better not to discuss the bad part of any thing.

Guidance is from Allah.

U and me could not change ones heart.

We need to be affectionate , kind and loving with others all the time.

This is the tool to mold the hearts.

With sorry, I would say that in your writings , I found very less words of love.

It is not attack but request that you could loose your credits with hard words.

Same sense could be conveyed in soft words. U must have seen this in Canadian life.

 

[hassam]

Just want to leave some thoughts. I am not really happy about religious threads being closed. I learnt a lot from them. Specially what is common between us. They gave me a vision of what is wrong in accepting a parable from others without confirming the source. I thougt there are many members on this forum that wanted to learn and in many cases we were able to patch our differences but looks like Shaitan did not like that and many of its agents jumped in. If we could bar those agents and have a cool discussion that would be useful for the ummah. But I agree with some of the members that people of our country have not reached a matuarity level to have these kind of discussion. Those immature shiateen will be anwerable to Allah as they are one of the reasons for division among the muslims. I guess in the end Shaitan has succeeded on this forum and we will not be able to use this forum to patch our real differences.

 

[atensari]

Re: Siasat on siasat.pk friends I have closed many of religeous threads today

یہ فورم یقینا بہت کارآمد اور دلچسپ ہے
مختلف مضوعات پر سیر حاصل گفتگو اور معلومات کا تبادلہ ہر ایک کے لئے مفید ہوتا ہے
نہ جانے کیوں چند حضرات ایک معلوماتی گفتگو کو ایک مختلف سمت میں لے گئے
اپنے جذبات پر قابو نہ رکھ سکے اور گفتگو احترام کے معیار سے بہت نیچے گر گئی
جب بھی جذبات قابو سے باہر ہوتے ہیں تو شیطان اپنا مکمل غلبہ حاصل کر لیتا ہے اور اس فورم میں الفاظ خراب سے بھی گر کر فحش اور خرافات میں چلے گئے ​

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اڈمن صاحب کا یہ بہتر فیصلہ تھا کہ اس طرح کی بحث کو ختم کر دیا جائے
آپ سے گزارش ہے کہ آئندہ صحت مند بحث کی حوصلہ افزائی کی جاتے اور وہ حضرات جن کو اپنی زبان پر قابو نہ ہو ان پر ضرور کچھ نہ کچھ پابندیاں ہونی چاہینے​

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الله تعَالى آپ کا حامی و ناصر ہو ​

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مرزا صاحب، بد قسمتی سے ایک گروہ کے بعض عقائد تھذیب اور اخلاق کے دائرے سے باہر شروع ہوتے ہے. ہمارا عقیدہ اصحاب و ازواج رسول کی عزت کرنا ہے اور ان کا تذلیل کرنا. یہ لوگ اپنے عقیدے سے مجبور ہیں. ان کا پیدائشی حق ہے کے یہ لوگ بزرگوں کو گالیاں دیں، خبردار جو آپ نے ان کو کچھ کہا، کیسی کے عقیدے پر حملہ کرنے والے آپ کون ہوتے ہیں.

 

[abbasiali]

Friends please some one has to come forward and show kind heartness and humble behavior, These days are very important for us, please show your ignorance and tolerance,

I am ignoring all agression in this thread and expect all of you to be nice with each other.

All are Pakistani and this platform has provide and opportunity to come close to each other instead of creating more hatred.

Coorpoartion in this regard is highly expected and appreciated.

 

[abbasiali]

Ok friends I have two choices, either I will close this thread or you all should come forward and show your Humblness to each other. (I prefer this option)

Looking forward to hear from you all.

 

[Raaz]

خبردار جو آپ نے ان کو کچھ کہا، کیسی کے عقیدے پر حملہ کرنے والے آپ کون ہوتے ہیں.

Kash Keh ham Yeh Baat Samajh Jaeen,

Like our Bazurg people.

 

[atensari]

Kash Keh ham Yeh Baat Samajh Jaeen,

Like our Bazurg people.

عقا ئد کو جانتے بوجھتے کسی کی دل آزاری کرنے کا مستقل زریعہ بنا کر صبر کر امتحان بھی نہیں لینانا چا ہئے.

 

[Aijazahmed]

Friends please some one has to come forward and show kind heartness and humble behavior, These days are very important for us, please show your ignorance and tolerance,

I am ignoring all agression in this thread and expect all of you to be nice with each other.

All are Pakistani and this platform has provide and opportunity to come close to each other instead of creating more hatred.

Coorpoartion in this regard is highly expected and appreciated.

What do you expect from very illiterate and mentally retarded people in this forum? I have read both sides but unfortunately I find no difference in them. They all same as far their level of tolerance as concerned.
They don't realize that because of these malpractices in sectarian differences we, as Muslims, are now struggling in the world to regain our splendid past.
Their hearts have become absolute BLACK against each other.

Don't they have common values between Shias and Sunnis that they can share here in this forum? Why don't they leave their petty differences behind?

Love, affection, respect, truth, honesty are not common in every sect of Islam? Why don't they talk and portray a better picture of Muslim society in this the most turmoilous time of our history?

Puri dunya meiN zalil o khawar ho rahe heiN, lakin apni harkatoN se baaz nahi arahe.

Very unfortunate my friend. Do whatever you want to do to punish these people. I am with you.

 

[canadian]

What do you expect from very illiterate and mentally retarded people in this forum? I have read both sides but unfortunately I find no difference in them. They all same as far their level of tolerance as concerned.
They don't realize that because of these malpractices in sectarian differences we, as Muslims, are now struggling in the world to regain our splendid past.
Their hearts have become absolute BLACK against each other.

Don't they have common values between Shias and Sunnis that they can share here in this forum? Why don't they leave their petty differences behind?

Love, affection, respect, truth, honesty are not common in every sect of Islam? Why don't they talk and portray a better picture of Muslim society in this the most turmoilous time of our history?

Puri dunya meiN zalil o khawar ho rahe heiN, lakin apni harkatoN se baaz nahi arahe.

Very unfortunate my friend. Do whatever you want to do to punish these people. I am with you.

Very true Brother.I fully agree.

 

[I_hate_Liars]

What do you expect from very illiterate and mentally retarded people in this forum? I have read both sides but unfortunately I find no difference in them. They all same as far their level of tolerance as concerned.
They don't realize that because of these malpractices in sectarian differences we, as Muslims, are now struggling in the world to regain our splendid past.
Their hearts have become absolute BLACK against each other.

Don't they have common values between Shias and Sunnis that they can share here in this forum? Why don't they leave their petty differences behind?

Love, affection, respect, truth, honesty are not common in every sect of Islam? Why don't they talk and portray a better picture of Muslim society in this the most turmoilous time of our history?

Puri dunya meiN zalil o khawar ho rahe heiN, lakin apni harkatoN se baaz nahi arahe.

Very unfortunate my friend. Do whatever you want to do to punish these people. I am with you.

I am surely hopeful, these friends of our will now realize, after all they at least they gave break to them self, it means there is a hope, all we have to do, is to figure out those points which triggr the dispute, Allah is with us and Insha Allah, We will work out our difference on forum level.

 

[abbasiali]

I am surely hopeful, these friends of our will now realize, after all they at least they gave break to them self, it means there is a hope, all we have to do, is to figure out those points which triggr the dispute, Allah is with us and Insha Allah, We will work out our difference on forum level.

Appreciate your hopeful concern

 

[Mughal1]

Dear friends, it is not good to hate each other or anyone else. You are free to believe whatever you like but when it comes to practing it, you must consider the consequences for doing that. Unity of mankind is mission of islam and anything that breaks up that unity is condemned by the quran. So try not to say or do things that cause unnecessary harm to the mission of islam, muslims and humanity at large. It is because infighting is bad over beliefs that islam stopped people from fighting over such things or discussing beliefs in that context. No harm is done if knowledgeable people wish to reach the truth about any matter but addressing each other respectfully is absolutely necessary. Clash of ideas is fine but clash of people is not. The quran argues against ideas with better ideas to show the differnce leaving it to people to choose whatever suits them.

Mission of islam is not to cause wars between people but ideas. The better idea will win in the end because people will not find anything better in their heads than that and in the end and so they will be forced by reason to accept it.

So please come with best explanantions you can about your stand point and show it to brothers and sister here and let them cross examine your idea and see if it stands the test. If it does no way they can reject it because mind has its own way of doing things. If you are convicned that something is right, no one in the world can change your mind but with a better and more convincing idea.

If it is at all possible threads should not be closed or deleted but that if anyone is disrespectful to anyone those remarks should be deleted and the person should be warned before short and then complete ban. I am saying this because many of our people are not civilised yet because they lack what it takes for one to be civilised. We cannot affort not to educate our own brothers and sisters therefore if we banned them straight away, we will lose opportunities for helping them educate themselves.

I think when it comes to fights, fights can be blamed on person who first uses offensive language against the other person or person's respected personality or belief. Cross examining or criticising beliefs of each other is fine, throwing abuse at them is wrong. It is like we can argue against idol worship as much as we like no one should get offended because we are being rational but if instead we start using swearing words against idols then that is offensive. People argued against the prophets and the prophets argued against the people. It were people who when lost their arguments against the prophets that they started beating them up and killing them. Prophets never did anything like that to anyone. They simply tries to reason things with people and tried to tell tem what was good for them. The rest was upto people. Likewise you can argue your case the best you can but leave it for people to take as they see fit for their own reasons.

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?50607-Pakistan-religion-secularism-amp-tribalism&

regards and all the best.

 

[Malik495]

i agree.... aaap azaad hain... hawa men apni stick jahan tak ghumayen yeh aap ka haq hay lakin jahan se kisi ki naak shuru hoti hay wahan aap ki azadi khatm ho jati hay... so its better not to hit anyone's nose otherwise you can do whatever u want...

 

[canadian]

Personally I feel sorry for closing of religious threads because some postings were very help ful and informative.Anyways,I respect The Moderator's decision.One thing I want to mention here is that some members of this forum constantly abuse other members on almost each and every thread they post here.Sometimes I am amazed at the low tolerence level in our society.We can always agree to disagree in a civilized manner.This type of behaviour really leaves a very bad taste in your mouth.I may suggest that such members should be warned and if there is no change in a member's behaviour he should be shunted out.

 

[s_as]

Personally I feel sorry for closing of religious threads because some postings were very help ful and informative.Anyways,I respect The Moderator's decision.One thing I want to mention here is that some members of this forum constantly abuse other members on almost each and every thread they post here.Sometimes I am amazed at the low tolerence level in our society.We can always agree to disagree in a civilized manner.This type of behaviour really leaves a very bad taste in your mouth.I may suggest that such members should be warned and if there is no change in a member's behaviour he should be shunted out.

کینیڈین بھائی! مجھے آپ کی تجویز سے اتفاق ہے کہ اس طرح کے ممبرز کو وارننگ ملنی چاہیے اور اگر پھر بھی وہ باز نہیں آتے تو ان کو کک آوٹ کر دینا چاہیے

 

[mrbaig]

اللہ تیرا لاکھ لاکھ شکر ہے کہ جاہل لوگوں سے جان چھوٹی۔بات کرو صرف سیاست پر وہ بھی اپنی کھال میں رہ کر۔بے جا تنقید اور بے مقصد نہیں۔​

 

[Salman007]

good do Pakistan a favour and close it

 

[drkjke]

well you ppl are now just like other sites.
yeah,just ban the truth.
and whoever speaks the truth label it sectarianism or something,and delete the post,
so simple!
but if someone attacks the islamists who are fighting against americans than you never ban that post!.
but if you keep tabs on truth than it comes out more stronger and with more force,so do whatever

 

[Reehab]

Aslama alekum .

eik mashwara deta hoon jub siasat hi chalani he to islamic forum ko khatam kar do kiuoo rakha he chalo agar rakha he to bajye apis me larne ke kufar ke khilaf ikhathe ho jao qadiyani jis ko paksitani siasat ne hi kafir declair kiya he un ke khilaf to har eik ko bhar char kar likhna chayeh kiya siasat he sub kuch he afsose he ke mr adeel ne qadiyani per litrature ko dlete kar diya aru kehta he " We do not allow any kind of Qadiyani debates." kiya iman he mar gaya he . agar aap nahi kar sakte to hum hien na qadiynaiuo se nimatne ke liye ya phri islamic section ko hi ura do na rahe ga baasn na baje ge bansuri.. siasat per bat karna apna maza he siasat to ambia AS ne ke sahab karam RA ne ki un hi ki sunant rahe he.. qadiyani nawaz siasat per aap log kush ho afsose howa aj dekh kar . ke qadiyani se related thread ko closed ke bajey delte kar diya gaya . mujh ko lagta he ke yeh qadiyaniuo ka forum he . aaj se 25 forums per hata ke music wale forums per bhi appreciate kiya gaya tha magar yahan epr dlete kar ke qadiyani muhabat ka saboot diya gaya he . so carry on. khud to kuch karna nahi he bus yahan per likh likh kar time guzarna he ja kar lao inqilab .....

bari mahrbani yahan se ilsami section ko removed hi kar diya jaye warna kum se kum qdiyani par to bat karne de jaye .....