Wake up Pak
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Tell me, millions of people around the world and during the so-called Hajj, pray to Allah to destroy Israel and the enemies of Islam, did Allah destroy any one of them?
Coitus Interruptus i.e Pulling out
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observer-x
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رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.
اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Typical question that is usually asked by people with atheistic tendencies. Reason behind that is primarily rebellion against Allah's will.
Atheist's # 1 question usually is, why is so much poverty and death when Allah exists? Why does he allow it to happen?
Answer for me to understand - Allah is not our servant that whatever we ask he SHOULD grant it. Allah has his WILL, he's King of Kings. And whatever happens the timing and occurrence is per the infinite wisdom of Allah. If Allah wills the enemies will get destroyed not when we will but when Allah wills.
On Islamic beliefs:
By the way word Islam comes from the root اسلم which means to submit. As muslims we submit to the will of Allah. Shukr and Sabr are the two weapons of muslims. If anything goes our way we say Alhumdulillah, when things don't go our way we do sabr and say قدرالله ما شاء فعل (God has decreed what He wills, He does)
Wake up Pak
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And why would Allah interfere in human lives when He has given the Quran as guidance for all mankind, not just for Muslims?
If you expect Allah to interfere, it means that you are a denier of the Quran.
observer-x
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رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.
اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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It shows you don't know Allah for who he is. Allah is السميع and المجيب meaning All Listening and All Answering. He listens and answers to the calls of his creations. He's a living God - الحى.
Quran is a book of guidance sent by الهادى - the guide. This Al Hadi is Ever Living. He interferes all the time, he listens and answers our duas.
Wake up Pak
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If humanity follows the Quran, it has a solution to all our miseries. For instance, the Quran tells us that for the equal distribution of wealth & elimination of corruption, it would eliminate poverty from the earth.
9:60 The alms are only for the poor and the needy, and those who collect them, and those whose hearts are to be reconciled, and to free the captives and the debtors, and for the cause of Allah, and (for) the wayfarer; a duty imposed by Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise.
2:254 O believers! Donate from what We have provided for you before the arrival of a Day when there will be no bargaining,1 friendship,2, or intercession. Those who disbelieve are ˹ ˹truly˺ the wrongdoers.
7:85 And to the people of Midian We sent their brother Shu’aib. He said, “O my people! Worship Allah—you have no other god except Him. A clear proof has already come to you from your Lord. So give just measure and weight, do not defraud people of their property, nor spread corruption in the land after it has been set in order. This is for your own good, if you are ˹truly˺ believers.
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رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.
اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Agreed, Quran is the book of guidance. But don't take out الهادى from the equation. Allah comes first, only he gives us the توفيق to read and follow Quran to it fullest.
Citizen X
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Yeah, all this talk is great but like I previously mentioned it's just zubani kalami i.e lip service when in reality you follow man made made books. 95% of your beliefs, laws, religious practices and rituals come from these books. Name one thing you do which is from the Quran and is done as mentioned in the Quran without any addition from your side?
And this is for sake of argument these rituals are what you believe them to be
Salah : No five times mentioned, no rakats mentioned, no number of sujoods mentioned, no mention of your tashahud, no mention of what to recite in what position. No salams, no finger lifting
Hajj : No 7 times tawaf mentioned, no stoning of the devil worshiped, no running 7 times between mina and marwah, no muzdalifah etc etc. Technically even Mecca not mentioned
Fasting : Opening and breaking of fast times totally different, no comprehensive list of conditions because of which a fasts breaks, vomiting, bleeding etc etc
Zakat : No percentage of zakat given and when and how many times to give.
Shahada : No such thing in the Quran nor does it states one has to say this to become a muslim.
So even just looking at you self concocted 5 pillars of Islam, not a single one of them is done according to how Allah says they are to be done and performed according to your understanding.
Then if we just scratch the surface a little more there are beliefs are rituals you believe and follow that are totally alien to the Quran. Like your belief in return of Isa, Mahdi, Dajjal. Practice of tawassul, ehsaal el swab and circumcision,
Allah's word is never enough for you, so you look at manmade stories to expand your beliefs and practices
So yeah all this talk about believing in Allah and following his commands is just lip service. When in reality you follow the religion of man made books. Only the blind cannot see that the religion they are following is not from Allah, but rather a very wicked and ugly distortion of it.
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رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.
اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Alhumdulillah, only Allah can make us understand his deen.
As I told earlier, all the sahaba when they became muslim, they did it (not primarily on Quran) based on Prophet SAW's character and his explanation of Allah (monotheism and His mercy). Same applies now, when we read ahadith we're recreating what sahaba saw Prophet SAW doing and saying about Allah and what we should know about Allah.
None of the sahaba said if its not in Quran we're not doing it. They saw Prophet SAW and followed him with everything he did. We do the same with ahadith, we read ahadith as if we're seeing Prophet SAW doing all the worship rituals.
All secondary things, your Aqeeda does not get impacted by most of these things mentioned. Petty items are gifted to you when you adhere to the core beliefs.
You're still mad at Allah for some reason that had happened to you in the past. Go deep dive and see what made you go against your Creator. You'll get there I'm sure.
Citizen X
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Thank you for proving my point, you just proved you don't follow the deen of Allah as prescribed in his book The Quran. Sahaba did this, Sahaba did that, Sahaba this, Sahaba that. So you by your own admission follow the sahaba according to persian story books written centuries after the Prophet passed away.
Unfortunately for you Allah does not tells us to follow the Sahaba but rather what he says in the Quran.
observer-x
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رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.
اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Yes, checkout the reference from Quran for you right below.
In fact Allah does say that in Quran namely Muhajireen and Ansar and people who follow them (followers of sahaba i.e. us) that they're all the successful ones, here's the reference:
وَٱلسَّـٰبِقُونَ ٱلْأَوَّلُونَ مِنَ ٱلْمُهَـٰجِرِينَ وَٱلْأَنصَارِ وَٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّبَعُوهُم بِإِحْسَـٰنٍۢ رَّضِىَ ٱللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُوا۟ عَنْهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ جَنَّـٰتٍۢ تَجْرِى تَحْتَهَا ٱلْأَنْهَـٰرُ خَـٰلِدِينَ فِيهَآ أَبَدًۭا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ ٱلْفَوْزُ ٱلْعَظِيمُ
And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhājireen and the Anṣār and those who followed them with good conduct - - Allāh is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment. (Quran 9:100)
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Citizen X
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How does this mean you have to follow the Sahabas! And where are the sahabas you are following? So you are following people that have been gone for 1400yrs!
First you claim to follow Allah, then you claimed to follow the Prophet, now you are claiming to follow the sahabas, very soon you will say you are following your sectarian pirs, murshids and babas ( which of course you do, just haven't admitted it yet). Every few weeks you add another layer of disobedience to Allah and rejection of the Quran.
While Allah's deen makes a direct connection with Allah, you bring in a whole army of middlemen before you can reach him.
observer-x
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رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.
اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Good, at least you acknowledge the proof from Quran that you have to follow sahaba (both from Muhajirun and Ansar).
Now your complaint to Allah of why Allah ordered us to follow him and also Prophet SAW's sunnah and Sahaba karam is something you should spend time contemplating on by asking Allah directly. We do as we're told by Allah in Quran period.
(We Alhumdulillah get it but you don't seem to, for us Allah is the Living God who wants us to live life in the footsteps of Prophet SAW and sahaba. We call upon Allah 24/7 to ask for help in following the examples Allah wanted us to follow.)
If you claim Allah's deen is direct connection with Allah as if its some kind of رهبانيت based deen. Then why don't you worship Allah? You should be spending time telling people ways to worship Allah - which clearly don't. Instead you took route of taking people from worship of Allah??
observer-x
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رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.
اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Again, read the ayah of Quran where Allah orders us to follow them and also said you'll be successful if you do.
وَٱلسَّـٰبِقُونَ ٱلْأَوَّلُونَ مِنَ ٱلْمُهَـٰجِرِينَ وَٱلْأَنصَارِ وَٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّبَعُوهُم بِإِحْسَـٰنٍۢ رَّضِىَ ٱللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُوا۟ عَنْهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ جَنَّـٰتٍۢ تَجْرِى تَحْتَهَا ٱلْأَنْهَـٰرُ خَـٰلِدِينَ فِيهَآ أَبَدًۭا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ ٱلْفَوْزُ ٱلْعَظِيمُ
And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhājireen and the Anṣār and those who followed them with good conduct - - Allāh is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment. (Quran 9:100)
Wake up Pak
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Where does Allah tell us to follow the Sahaba? Why didn't you translate Muhajireen and Ansar into English? Allah is saying to follow those who do good deeds.
For your information, Muhajireen means emigrants & Ansar means helpers.
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رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.
اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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It would make sense for a christian or a hindu or an atheist person not knowledgeable with basics of Islam to ask this question. Not you.
Every muslim knows muhajirun and ansar are terms used ONLY for sahaba karam. And people know the difference in the meaning too.
Wake up Pak
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This challenges the followers of the number 2 Islam of the Mullahs. I have just shown you the meanings of the Muhajireen and Ansar, but you remain blind to the reality.
observer-x
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رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.
اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Wondering can it get any worse for you? You'll translate every word in the Quran to your own false understanding? Like word Allah would have a difference meaning for you? Or Prophet Muhammad SAW? Or Musa AS? Or Isa AS? Or earth? Or shaytan?
With this false logic, every single word in Quran needs to be translated as you feel like right?
Wake up Pak
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Idiot, why not translate the words? You want to promote your Mullah's agenda of hadith peddlers about the Muhajir & Ansar. That's why you do not want to translate the Quranic words.
observer-x
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رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.
اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Exactly, that's what I'm saying how far can you go with translating every word? You can't even say bismillah coz you'll soon start translating الرحمن الرحيم as per your disease ridden heart. And claim theses are not referring to Allah.
Wake up Pak
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Some words need translation, but your understanding lacks the facts that convey their meanings. When a blind follower like you fails to use the intellect bestowed by God, it is not surprising to hear such misguided statements from you.
